Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations

Mr Honourable Prime Minister Reverend Donald Holy Tusk works very hard for Poland. Poles and Polesses can see it that is why his wonderful party tops the polls while rightists are much lower. Ha!!!

And His man will become the President next year!! Ha!!!

What a blessing for Poland - President and Prime Minister from our beloved PO! Kneel down and let`s pray to Goddess for their success!!!
Mutter unser who art in Heaven.......

Last week, Polish FM Radosław Sikorski and Volodymyr Zelensky clashed at a closed meeting in Kiev.
The Ukrainians had a long list of demands connected with quickening Ukrainian access to the EU, and we had one - exhumations and proper burial of the victims of Volhyn massacres. They must understand that we need to reach an agreement on the basis of quid pro quo. Something for something. For now, this is not getting through to them.
Now, the Polish Ministry of Foreign Affairs intends to use the upcoming Polish presidency in the European Union to put pressure on the elites in Kiev.

Ah, so this was not a scandal fabricated entirely by "Imperialist Russian trolls"?

Not enough Poles are enlightened enough to fully embrace your theory of "Apology First".

Too many Poles are still like Kania and Ironside, and unfortunately the PO government cannot ignore the political dimension of it all.

Exactly!!! And Ukrainians are watching and learning all the time how to be reluctant with apologies or admitting crimes!!!


I support everything what this glorious gov pursues coz they are the best Poland could ever have.

Rome have blood of Slavs in Ukraine on its hands. Then NATO powers. Greed of Rome created chaos. Roman manipulation with Slavs.

Pawian has a rather peculiar philosophy of international relations. Basically, he proposes turning around, bending down, invitingly spreading butt-cheeks, and remaining in such position for a considerable amount of time.

He will then be surprised and scandalised when someone f*cks him.

He will, however, console himself with the fact that the perpetrators were simply not mature enough to restrain themselves from taking advantage of him.

A noble attitude but I would advise against adopting this approach.

In the case of pawian I would encourage such attitude when it comes to his personal life choices. However, I'm pretty certain that in his personal life, he is a nasty Fukker and wouldn't do that.
It is only when it pertains to the nation and our state that he encourages and promotes such retarded ways because it doesn't affect him personally or so he believes.
I would ask him to implement such a philosophy in his personal life and after a year or two he can come back and share with us the results of this experiment.

@Ironside :D

Motion seconded!

Less about pawian, more about your obsessive denial attitude - a little piece of advice from me... :):):)


to start believing Polish crimes on others are good and excusable??? No way, darling!

Why don`t you two get a room to discuss how to further advance the denial policy towards Ukrainians???? hahahaha

You are a teacher, yes? What kind of a lesson are you hoping to teach the Ukrainian primates with your Mahatma Gandhi shtick?

They do not understand such things... and will only consider you weak! Do you understand me - they will have no respect for you as a pedagogue and will behind your back despise you.

With Ukrainian swinehounds the conversation must always be short and to the point.

For example, you ask: "Who was Stepan Bandera?!" and when the Khokhol begins with "A victim of Bolshevik repression..." you immediately punch him in his elephant trunk - two times.

Then when you say, "Who is Roman Shukhevych" they may now be more reluctant to give you a straight answer. Two kicks in their peasant gut for prophylaxis, and question can be repeated. If the answer starts incorrectly - again two rapid jabs to the proboscis.

In this way, and only in this way, can there be a hope to make out of a Ukrainian ein echter Europäer. Verstehen?

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Yes, that`s what Russian barbarians do to Ukrainian POWs and other detainees in camps and filtration centers. Apart from primitive beating, Russian beasts also apply methods like breaking bones, waterboarding, raping, starving, electrocuting etc etc

Mentally, you are one of those Russian svoloche. Tfu!!

Ironside and Kania, tfu on you, too, for befriending such a scum and considering him your role model. Tfu!!!!.

Befriending was easy. Bobko is an educated and well mannered Polonophile gentleman who doesn't love Ukrainians very much; I am an educated and well mannered Russophile peasant (but with noble roots!) whose love for Ukraine is also somewhat limited. We easily found a platform of understanding.

Role model? Don't be ridiculous. I am 45. When a man is over 40, he saw pretty much everything, experienced pretty much everything, and knows all there is to know about life. This also implies that he has no role models. I used to look up to the Popes but ever since Comrade Bergoglio took over that ended too. These days there are only four persons I consider being above me in rank: God the Father, Holy Ghost, Jesus Christ Our Lord and Saint Virgin Mary. I am number 5, so to speak.

It is excellent Ukrainians are so tough! Like Cossacks in the past. If they weren`t, barbarians would have conquered them long ago. Goddess bless them!!!! I mean heroic Ukrainians, not Russian barbarians.
Hey, Polish azholes in denial, down on your knees and worship your Ukrainian brothers who sacrifice their lives for your lousy asses.
I am afraid, in case of Russophiles or pro Putin nationalists, it is a wasted appeal coz they dream of Kremlin rule in Poland.

Oh, "Noble roots" matter to a narcissist like you, don't they?


You show more stupidity with every line you post! 60 is the age you need to attain to get, at least best knowledge, 40 is far too young!


Now I know that you are a nutter!

Hahahaha)

You hear that Kania?

Stop lording it over me - you spring chicken!

Stop biting me with your tiny teeth, British poodle. Find someone on your level to discuss things (I suggest exploring astronomy with Tlum).


If you're a slow learner, then even 80 may not be enough.


Sometimes I can't believe what I hear on this board. :)

Yay Holodomor? Yay Bucha?

Yay Volhyn? Yay Waffen-SS Galizien?

And on and on and on..... are you interested more in the past or in the future?

Hey, it is you who started "yaying".


If one can't draw conclusions from the past, then there isn't much hope for his future.

So you want to keep bringing up the things Ukraonoans did to Poles but are fine to get over many more Russian atrocities

What conclusions can be drawn from the past about russian intentions toward Poland?

I definitely think there needs to be reconciliation between Poland and Ukraine though the midst of a war for survival is not the most opportune....

Hey, Maf started "yaying" first, not me.


At least Russians don't deny them, and they apologised for Katyn. Ukrainians don't even let us bury our dead! See the difference?


That they never tried to commit total genocide of Poles (like Germans) or ethnic cleansing by genocide from the territories they considered theirs (like Ukrainians).

About Ukraine we can conclude that they have proven - throughout the ages - to be envious, small-minded, treacherous and exceedingly cruel nation.


What reconciliation can we talk about if those barbarians refuse to even allow us to give our victims of genocide proper burial? Even African Hutu didn't oppose the burial of Tutsi that they slaughtered. Where does that put Ukraine? Reconciliation?

You said Bobko and you have similar attitudes towards Ukrainians... you think he cares about the Holodomor or Bucha? All the evidence is that he blames Ukrainians for resisting russification (and Poland for helping Ukraine)

I wanted to see how similar your attitudes are.

I recommend for you to read about the anti-Polish operations in interwar era of the Soviet Union.

Years 1921-1939 is an interesting read about the persecution and basically removal of Poles and Polishness in the Soviet Union. The numbers should give you a clear understanding of the hostility of the Soviet Union towards Poland. Add to that the complete control of the Polish people's army and its state, with more Red army personnel and NKVD specifically stationed in post-ww2 Poland then compared to Soviet occupied Germany.

Ukraine would need two centuries to catch up in atrocities being done towards Poland despite its brutality in ww2.

Despite this one has to remember that villages in Eastern Europe was roamed, burned and scouted about by Lisowczycy that can only be compared to Genghis Khan raiders inspired by the wars with Sweden. (Swedens atrocities in it's wars 400+ years ago makes ww2 seem cute if you imagine the same proportions being attributed in modern times)

So if you can bear no grudge towards Swedes today, you can bear no grudge towards Russians AND Ukrainians. It only needs time

I know about Operacja polska in which Soviet citizens (of Polish roots) were murdered...

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operacja_polska_NKWD_(1937%E2%80%931938)

... there were as many victims as in Volhyn, but the bestiality was nowhere near what OUN-UPA and ordinary Ukrainian neighbours displayed.


Not really.


Who says I bear no grudge against Swedes? Don't be ridiculous! The bastards never paid for potop, and their looting was on a galactic scale (Soviets and Germans seem like honest Swiss government clerks in comparison). Material-wise potop was a greater disaster for Poland than WW2. The c*nts don't want to return any treasure that they stole and have the audacity to claim that thanks to their robbery in the 17th century it all avoided being destroyed in WW2. The cheek! F*CK SWEDES!

And yet some of us mostly hate Russians, while others mostly hate Germans. These are two nations with which we mostly quarreled in our history (you could add Turks here, but they stopped attacking us almost 300 years ago, so we no longer hate them, besides, they make decent kebap).

Today, while there is still some hostility towards Germans (Law and Justice regularly uses those sentiments to gather support) most of us acknowledge they have changed a lot since the times of Bismarck and Hitler (even if they got somewhat pussified along the way). Russians on the other hand haven't changed one bit.

I don't believe that anyone under 80 can genuinely hate either Russians or Germans.

I don't hate Ukrainians or have exceeding love for them either. I am simply not willing to bend over for them, and have no illusions about their national character, as I explained above.

Also, unless they convince me otherwise, I will consider them worse than Hutu, for the reasons I also already explained.

Simple as that.

Haters will always find something to hate, sadly. If one target is removed, they find another.


It's the same with r*SSians and Germans. Both have tried very hard to destroy Europe within living memory. Ukrainians are very much victims of both.

I am 54 and I genuinely hate Russians. Please, give me a nuclear device. I will gladly blow it up in Moscow.