I can observe the never ending debate between the Polish and Ukrainian side.
Namely, who should be more grateful???
Ukrainians to Poland for our military support, hosting millions of refugees and humanitarian aid??? Or Poles/Polesses for heroic Ukrainian war effort which contains Russia where it is and reduces the danger that rogue country poses to Poland ??????
It is obvious to me that we should be more grateful to Ukrainians coz the money we are spending on the support for them is peanuts compared with the money we will have to spend when Russia gets out of Asia and puts its foot on Eastern Europe again.
geez? WTF? We are in the NATO. What war are you talking about? Besides Ukrainians are fighting for their country and their interest not for Poland. Their fight is aligned with our interest in making Russia weaker which is good. But we have done more to help them than anybody else, we are their lifeline and they can't even do a small thing for us in return. I don't need them to be grateful - what kind of plebian nonsense is that? I need them to respect our interests and they failed to do so. We don't owe them anything. Russia at least offered to help us get our land back - that is something. What Ukraine is offering - outrageous demands from Poland. F them!
Let the next year be better without a devilish government in charge.
Yes, I also dislike this one coz it contains too many conservative guys. Let`s hope the next one will consist only of Mr Holy Tusk`s men and women. Kneel down and start praying if you are a believer.
Some patriotic Poles/Polesses sacrifice their lives for Ukraine aka Poland.
According to Ukrainian media, a farewell ceremony for Filip Antosiak , a 19-year-old Pole who volunteered to fight in the Ukrainian Armed Forces, was held in Kyiv on Thursday . The young soldier died on January 19 near Pokrovsk , one of the hottest areas on the front.The service was held in Kyiv's St. Michael's Cathedral. During the ceremony, in accordance with Ukrainian tradition, the coffin was open. Then, the gathered went to the Independence Square, where the final farewell took place. The flags of Ukraine and Poland and a wreath of white and red roses were placed by the coffin.
The decision to fight on Ukraine's side was a matter of principle for him. " We are proud of our son and his decision to fight for justice ," his mother, Anżelika Kuza, said, as quoted by the Ukrainian website Oboz.
They do in case of Poland. Everything what Poles/Polesses are doing for Ukraine is for our and their freedom!!! Ha!!!! Go back to "study" your history books from 1960s and "learn" about politics coz you are still like a kid lost in the foggy forest.
At the end of the day it's better to be a noble sucker
Indeed, Polan shouldn't do anything for Ukraine but for Poland. If Poland's interest is to support Ukraine we should be doing it but we need to know exactly, what, how, how much, and what we want in return. that is the way it should work. not to give them everything we can and don't ask any questions because they won't like us anymore. Also, you are talking with the language of propaganda and you take it for reality. Little kid? In that case, you are an embryo. What a stubborn idiot. Bobko explain to him what is what!
This is no empire, they don't have the guy in the black helmet and floor-length cloak with the constant shortness of breath. A ich gwiazda śmierci to kupa śmieci.🤭
When it comes to acting like suckers in history, Poland has the most prizes, medals and honorary mentions.
We all know what Bartoszewski said, we all agree, but don't you just wish we had that little bit of British or American kurwiness (yes, it's a word I invented) every now and then?
While Poland is the Jesus of Nations. We always strive to save sb else. Did Jesus expect to be paid for his sacrifice??? No. The same with Poland. Iron and Kania, do you read me??? I sneeze at the money that Ukraine "owes" us in your opinion. I helped them like Jesus. Not Trump.
Some patriotic Poles/Polesses sacrifice their lives for Ukraine aka Poland.
Sacrifice for the Rome, you mean? See, that is what skeletal hand of the Rome did to some Poles and to some who consider themselves to be Ukrainians. One can only hope death in stupidity to be swift.
No, I don`t. Poland can be poor, but at least she is virtuous aka cnotliwa and we with her. Ha!!!! This virtue is our national treasure
I agree, ty I twoje virtue,to nie jakas zaleta,to koniecznosc wystarczy spojrzec na przydluga szyje I zapadla klache.Nic w tym dziwnego, no woman will tolerate such apparition
Isn't it?Only slightly modified. They are poor victims of successful russifications and don't even realize it. Talking trash like that. ---- @pawian How much of your money did you contribute? Giving away what doesn't belong to you is theft, not charity.
Modified, shmodified. The idea of Poland being the Christ of nations, suffering innocently for others but at least possessing the Truth (with capital T), was the core element of Polish romanticism and has, since then, been the very core of Polish collective psyche. Pawian is being 100% Polish in referring to this noble ideal. Is it similar to certain elements of Russian collective psyche? Well, it very well might be; they are our blood brothers, more so than either you or Pawian are willing to admit, so it's no surprise for me.
They are poor victims of successful russifications
Were Mickiewicz and Słowacki victims of russification too? Interesting theory :)
Or maybe, just maybe, it is not Pawian or I who were successfully russified but it is you who were successfully kurwified by all those years you spent in the West? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Iron.
It is poetry, it was nice to propagate some ideas at the time. Why are you stuck on romanticism, there is positivism, and after that Dmowski. You seem to have a very selective knowledge of Polish culture. ---
they are our blood brothers
I think it is less about blood but more about circumstances. In case of Poland, the idea of freedom and nationhood which was suppressed by others at the time, needed some highly sound outlets, having a moral high ground reference to religion that is a common theme in similar circumstances. In simple terms - if you can't do it you can dream, and if you dream, you dream big because why not? If that makes you feel better. Similarity with Russia is there. In Russia everybody is semi-slave or a helot. The reality that they are backwards barbarians who live in 'sh;t and have no prospect for a better life is dreary and not very appealing. So why not dream big and imagine that Russia as a state holds some eternal truth, A holy grail of humanity preserved in holy Russia, and all suffering that Russian people experience is the result of the devil's work. Sounds nice enough. If you think it is far-fetched, ask Bobko and remember that even the devil believes he is doing a good work and represents the real truth. --- To sum it up, our dynasty Piast, they knew they ABC in politics. they worked with real people and real problems. Poetic ideas useful for preservation of the Polish identity during patritions unfortunately tainted Polish culture with impractical ideas. Such ideas in politics are poison and disaster and as such should be avoided at all costs. Dreams are for sleepers, for people who are awake, not very useful.
Sure. Prus, Orzeszkowa, Konopnicka - all part of Polish collective psyche as well, but they don't cancel traditional Polish romanticism.
and after that Dmowski
Dmowski was a serious Russophile and you're his fanboy, so why the sudden accusations towards us of being russified?
I don't agree with your assessment of Russia. It is a country of huge potential, partly wasted of course, that haven't said their last word yet, and their accomplishments - all things considered - in science, engineering or medicine are quite impressive. We are talking about a nation of space conquerors, literary geniuses and brave explorers, people who tamed the wilderness of Siberia, cross the Arctic daily in nuclear ice-breakers and possess the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. Surely, you must concede that their achievements almost match ours. Almost.
Anyway, there's one more thing...
Sure, it is not your money
How much of your money
tainted Polish culture with impractical ideas
... what's with the practicality and protestant penny-pinching, guys? What happened to Slavic generosity? What happened to Catholic disdain for Mammon? Have you all become thoroughly westernised aka kurwified? Is there no more hope left for nasha bednaya majka Slavija? :(
You seem to have a very selective knowledge of Polish culture.
You can be as generous as you want as long as it is all about your money. Here we are talking about public money, they can't be spent lightly, and being generous with public money is theft, not charity. Such a concept is not that hard to grasp, so what's wrong with you? - That is the question here. ---
Nie wkurwiaj mnie.
Something you should like and to sate somewhat your drama craving:
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assessment of Russia.
Russia is like that man on whose tomb it says - He had a huge potential. Hard to disagree - so what? --- By the way, be as much romantic as you want, but stay the hell away from politics. F Lord Bayron. lol!
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