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Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations



Ironside 43 | 7,942    
2 Jun 2017  #31

The government has blood on its hands.

stop spewing BS delph. are you pushing your luck try to see how far you can go?

Gazeta_Wyborcza

Since it is GW I suspect false news.

Mosciska,Ukraine a polish school has been torched.


gregy741 3 | 936    
2 Jun 2017  #32

commonwealth,add Belarus and Moldova -thats the future.need to start pulling out of western caliphate.build wall along Oder river.and forge EE union with other Slavic nations and Hungary.that would be nice
Crow 133 | 5,623    
2 Jun 2017  #33

New Commonwealth, indeed.

Multi-polar world is era for Poland. New chance.
Dirk diggler 3 | 254    
2 Jun 2017  #34

I wish i had enough liquid capital during the Ukrainian fire sale... Ukranian government was selling state industrial assets for pennies on the dollar to raise money for the way. I.e. a $100 mil steel refinery being sold for $3 mil with say $1 upfront rest on credit...

You can bet those factories have been totally scrapped with all the more expensive equipment being shipped abroad and the rest sold for scrap
Dirk diggler 3 | 254    
2 Jun 2017  #35

@Ironside

While some things in wyborxza aren t that bad and some of their reporting is pretty fairly balanced, the Adam michnik character is another story... He is a anti polish council of foreign relations social Marxist one world zionist piece of crap. People like him are why the rest of the world continue to think of poland as the armpit of civilized Europe.

Pis has been criticized for making media less fair and unbalanced. If they were the big boogeyman they would've appropriated wynorcza and made michnik a persona non grata for life. Anyway that's what id do if I were Kaczynski. Get some incriminating info or pictures of him or even trump up some charges on his organization and walah. Its still way more humane than what russia would've done in this case. Michnik would've been given a cup of polonium 210 black tea of a few slugs in the back if Kaczynski acted like Putin.
mafketis 16 | 4,249    
3 Jun 2017  #36

that's what id do if I were Kaczynski. Get some incriminating info or pictures of him

I'm assuming that it's the other way around, AM has incriinating information on JK (and a deadman's switch)....
Dirk diggler 3 | 254    
3 Jun 2017  #37

Any incriminating info michnik has on kaczynski or any other polish politician has already been published.. Much during the election season.

Also Kaczynski is supposedly rather un familiar with technology and doesn't use a computer.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
3 Jun 2017  #38

Before maiden, before EU`s fraud >>>

Polish, Serbian and Ukranian Forces Train During Rapid Trident 2011


mafketis 16 | 4,249    
3 Jun 2017  #39

Any incriminating info michnik has on kaczynski or any other polish politician has already been published..

Tht would make AM a very poor player, do you really think he's a poor player? I'm sure he has some stuff in reserve.

Kaczynski is supposedly rather un familiar with technology and doesn't use a computer.

He's unfamiliar with a lot of things that most people take for granted, that's part of why he's so touchy and paranoid.
Dirk diggler 3 | 254    
3 Jun 2017  #40

@Crow

Now that's what I like to see! Wish we had more Slavic soldiers training together
Crow 133 | 5,623    
3 Jun 2017  #41

Me, too. I truly enjoy. What more associate on Commonwealth then this video. Poles who initiated it, Serbians who were military elite to it and Ukrainians who rightfully, same as rest of us, belong in it.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #42

Poles who initiated it, Serbians who were military elite to it and Ukrainians who rightfully, same as rest of us, belong in it.

Ho-ho-ho... You have supplied a good laugh here Crow!

I regret to inform you, that the days of Winged Hussars, Janisseries, and Sich Cossacks has long since passed.

During the most recent Strong Europe Tank Challenge, Poland and Ukraine came last and second-to-last respectively (1st place Austria, Germany 2nd, US 3rd, and France 4th). Serbia did not participate unfortunately, but something makes me think they would join their Slavic brothers at the bottom of the list. Interestingly, Poland was bested by Ukraine despite Poland using the very non-Kosher Leopard 2s (albeit old ones), while the Ukrainians were using T-64 Bulats.

stripes.com/news/austria-blasts-its-way-to-first-place-at-tank-challenge-1.468111

If only the competition was in rakia, horilka, or wodka consumption - there, truly, this Slavic trio would be ahead of the entire planet...

Today these armies are only good as soil fertilizer in the cauldrons of Donbass (Ilovaisk), or as NATO bombing practice.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #43

but something makes me think they would join their Slavic brothers at the bottom of the list.

don`t worry. There are veterans among Serbians. Experienced

During the most recent Strong Europe Tank Challenge, Poland and Ukraine came last and second-to-last respectively (1st place Austria, Germany 2nd, US 3rd, and France 4th).

But, what i know general Radislav Krstic live in Poland now. You could give him command. Man know his job. He would lead you to victory. Sure, there is only that inconvenience that Krstic live in jail, placed there by mistake of that political anti-Serbian court in Hague on the west of Europe.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #44

don`t worry. There are veterans among Serbians. Experienced

What will these Serbian vets fight with? The venerable M-84, which performed so well in Kuwait and Bosnia? Are you able to procure spare parts, seeing as the 100+ primary contractors, and more than 1000 subcontractors are now spread over multiple countries, most of which are not exactly fans of Serbia?
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #45

Serbia have 805 tanks (Poland have 1065 tanks) of which most are T-84AS, Serbian production (some USA and Russian weapon systems could be added). Serbia have highest number off tanks in Europe, in percents, when you look at total army. Tank is upgraded T-84 and, as you know, have status of one of best in the world.

BEST Serbian Tenk M-84AS
youtube.com/watch?v=govhFpl1DDY

most of which are not exactly fans of Serbia?

Serbian influence consolidate with every new day.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #46

BEST Serbian Tenk M-84AS

Such a good tank that not a single serial production unit has been made. I have only heard of a single "concept model" being carted around defense trade shows, without a single export customer in more than ten years.

No one wants a tank for which a real production supply chain does not exist.

Serbia should stick to manufacturing small arms, where there is at least some competency preserved. Only one request, please stop selling them to insurgents throughout North Africa and the Middle East, and find yourself some real customers.
Harry 74 | 13,199    
4 Jun 2017  #47

There are veterans among Serbians. Experienced

Yes, but the Polish and Ukrainian armies would be looking for experience in combat, not in raping women & children and murdering old men, so your heroes from the Serbian Volunteer Guard need not apply. And that's before we even get to the fact that the Chetnik scum, who presumably are the descendents of the Chetniks who collaborated with the Nazis, are part of the army that has invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #48

Well then. Let us pray to Jesus and to Svetovid. To both, just in case.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #49

theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/27/weapons-flowing-eastern-europe-middle-east-revealed-arms-trade-syria

Im reference to above post regarding Serbian weapons in terrorist hands (to be fair, many other Balkan countries are in on the fun).
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #50

Yes,........... Chetnik scum,...........

Harry, you nasty little penis. Again you spread anti-Serbian propaganda. Liar! Instead, you better speak about UK`s collaboration with mujaheedines in Bosnia and on Kosovo.

Idioto! Only Serbian sin is that we didn`t kill enough. If we did, London would now be safe.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #51

descendents of the Chetniks who collaborated with the Nazis, are part of the army that has invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine.

Ehh? Are you saying that there are Chetniks fighting within the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics armies? That would be highly unusual, since these two statelets are the result of a weird mix of neo-Bolshevik and Great Russian ideas. Russians have always been big fans of Yugo partisans, but not so much of Chetniks or their spiritual kin the Ustase.

Though if a credible link were provided I am willing to accept this fact. War can breed strange bedfellows.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #52

Croatian Ustashe were Nazis. Chetniks were royalists, remain of regular Yugoslavian army. Ustashe were allies to Hitler. Chetniks were allies to USA.

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pro-Serbian film poster from USA during WWII

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Chethnik leader Mihajlovic wanted by Nazis during WWII, newspaper from USA museum
Harry 74 | 13,199    
4 Jun 2017  #53

Are you saying that there are Chetniks fighting within the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics armies?

That's a well known fact, of course Crow would prefer it is not well known, just as he would prefer people did not know that his heroes in the Serbian Volunteer Guard specialised in raping women & children and murdering old men.

Though if a credible link were provided I am willing to accept this fact.

How many would you like?
reuters.com/article/us-crimea-volunteers-idUSBREA2D0C020140314
ibtimes.co.uk/ukraine-crisis-serb-chetniks-claim-killings-23-ukrainian-soldiers-1462610
rferl.org/a/crimea-serbian-nationalist-sindelic-montenegro-assassination-plot/28133289.html
newsweek.com/2014/03/21/wolves-descend-crimea-247971.html
inserbia.info/today/2014/03/who-is-milutin-malisic-leader-of-chetniks-in-crimea
dw.com/en/serbian-mercenaries-fighting-in-eastern-ukraine/a-17855479
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #54

Chetniks were allies to USA.

Of course the USA would support the irredentist, monarchist, and anti-communist Chetniks and not Tito's partisans. Simple geopolitics my friend.

You lost Yugoslavia because you sold your soul.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #55

Actually, till the end of war, USA and UK supported communist Tito. It was like in Poland. Geopolitics or world bank business, treachery and mockery of naive Slavs. We aren`t naive anymore.

And we lost Yugoslavia because Germany sponsored Nazism in Croatia to create Greater Croatia and Nazi-Islam in Bosnia, on Kosovo and Macedonia in order to create Greater Albania. Rest of western Europe and USA Clinton`s followed in deal with Islamic league.

But, its not over yet. Liberation would come.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #56

That's a well known fact

I would have expected them to fight within Ukraine's Azov battalion (pet battalion of Arsen Avakov, current Minister of the Interior), who, amongst other things, fight for a Ukraine free of communists and Jews, but oh well... Like I said - strange bedfellows. Also, Russians and Serbs have a thing (the great distance allows them to admire each other without noticing the flaws which close neighbors can't ignore), which goes some way towards explaining why they are fighting for DPR and LPR and not Azov.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #57

Are you eventually drank dobri brate? Some of Ukrainians chooses wrong heroes and deeds, Nazi banderists. That`s the problem. See, Serbian Chetniks in Ukraine have tradition of defending locals from Nazis, local ethnic Poles and others there but especially Poles during WWII with which resistance movement Chetniks had strong contacts.
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #58

Actually, till the end of war, USA and UK supported communist Tito.

Actually, at the beginning of the war they supported the monarchy, but as soon as they saw that Tito was the only actual effective fighter in the territory they kinda sat back and didn't lift a finger.

Don't take my word for it, here's a good link:
pdxscholar.library.pdx.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4397&context=open_access_etds

Already by the Spring of 1943 it was clear the Nazis would lose, and the Big Three were busy carving up the future oundaries of Europe. Churchill and Roosevelt had no interest in helping Stalin acquire yet another satellite.
Crow 133 | 5,623    
4 Jun 2017  #59

soon as they saw that Tito was the only actual effective fighter in the territory they kinda sat back and didn't lift a finger.

You lost yourself. I`ll try to help

Airmen share story of being saved by Serbian Chetniks
youtube.com/watch?v=dIiPJgoFJZ0

From Over 500 US MIAs Saved By The Serbian People During WW2
youtube.com/watch?v=NtMrL-XEC7U

American pilot about the General Draza Mihailovic and Serbs
Serbian Chetniks Rescued 500 American Pilots in World War II
youtube.com/watch?v=H4LS0FLWaKI
OP Bobko 2 | 56    
4 Jun 2017  #60

You lost yourself. I`ll try to help

Please. If you make nice movies about me, and extend at least some hope of helping me regain relevancy in a war where I clearly picked the wrong side, I will also save your airmen.

Evidence the huge support for America amongst Ukrainian nationalists, who decry spineless Europe. It's a matter of convenience, and as in the case of Russians and Serbs - great georgraphic distance which obscures realities. The two barely knew anything about each other.




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