Future of Polish-Ukrainian relations

You do understand - right - that Surzhyk is a pidgin version of Russian?

Surzhyk is what illiterates speak, when they try to speak to their superiors.

It isn't of course.

It's a variant of Ukrainian corrupted by influences from a hostile neighbour.


Oddly enough, the person I hear speaking it most has a doctorate. It is (or was) the language of the urban proletariat (and no shame in that) however people are obviously moving away from it towards purer Ukrainian since it is increasingly seen as tainted.

Ebonics, as spoken by American negr0es, is further removed from standard English, than Surzhyk is removed from Russian.

Easy enough to understand.


It isn't a dialect of that language.

And its death knell started to sound the day Vladolf Putler invaded.

The way it goes now due to the Ukrainian factor it will need a sharp realignment very soon by applying a boot to their ass, or as they seem to like in their ass.

You mean a boot to the Ukrainian ass so that you can kiss and lick Russian ass more easily?? You stinking traitor of Poland!! Why did you return from this emigration at all? We have enough native traitors in Konfederacja nationalist party, we don`t need more like you.

Paszoł won, sobaka, where your place is, namely to Muscovy.

I pity you sometimes pawian your world is a very alien place for me, a very dark place where your day revolves around whose ass you are going to lick, and seems to me even in that you have a very limited choice. If I didn't know better I would be inclined to think you run a brothel.

Yes, I know, independent European Poland seems an alien dark place for you so you prefer Russia.

No way! You can forget it! Your natio pro-Russian buddies got only 7% support at the recent elections.

Stop insulting decent people, you filthy banderist scum. hahah ha

Wow, another Russian bootlicking traitor gave voice. But you forgot to include Hau Hau Hau in your post, sobaka!!! hahahaha

PS. Hau Hau means BowWow.
Sobaka is a dog in Russian.

You are both Russian sobakas. That is why I think you consider it fair when I say:
DFY and your stalinist grandpas, too!!! Ha!!!!

Down with traitors!

That's "woof, woof" in English, you illiterate Ukrainian rectum indweller. If you want to insult people, at least do it correctly. :)))


No, Bow Wow is your favourite musician. ha hahaha

You trecherous Russian boot licker!!! Don`t teach me coz I used Polish Hau Hau on you deliberately. I wanted to check if you still know our language, sobaka.

Go to Muscovy and teach your beloved putinists there! That is where you belong! They might even pay you for spreading putinist propaganda in the forum. hahaha

"Polish-Ukrainian friendship" is better to be true than false, but even if it doesn't exist, we wouldn't care much about it (and we know it don't exist at the latest since they refused to give a dignified burial to the victims of Volhynia), the important thing is that we have to stop the Russians until they come to their senses. And the fact that Ukrainians are dying instead of us is a good deal for us, so we can send the equipment even if they spit on us. All in all, it's just a little money.

Zelensky could spit in the face of each Pole individually and we would still give them equipment, we are not doing it out of the goodness of our hearts, but because we want to have a buffer between us and Russia and therefore, regardless of the bullshit about grain, we will continue to help them.

Aaaaaaaah, nothing like making pawian foam at the mouth on a lovely New Year's afternoon. :)))

Yes,. bashing rightists and Russian boot lickers is such fun. :):):):)

@Korvinus

You are absolutely correct. Politics is a dirty thing: for the greater good of your Fatherland you sometimes have to be against those whom you like and respect, and help those to whom your love is somewhat limited.

"We" includes you. What have you done lately to stop the Russians? Did you volunteer to pay more in taxes at least?

Polish stupidity is best measured by the number of vicious Russia-hating posts here. You see, idiots, you can side with U and your pimp, the US, but still not be verbal idiots to Russia as there is no measurable upside to this kind of idiocy.

I have voted for parties which support aiding Ukraine and further sanctioning Russia. They also support recent purchases of armament.

Korvinus, as a Polish expat, probably retained his voting rights so he voted for pro Russian Konfederacja.

I would end you there, so Russians will cringe to death.

Now try in English.

Mr PM Donald Tusk went to Ukraine today and met top leaders. He declared full military support for Ukrainian war effort. Experts presume he meant compensating to Ukraine what other Western allies won`t offer.

I have nothing against. Ukraine`s fight is our fight, too.

Once, during 19th century, Poles and Polesses fighting for freedom forged that motto: For our and your freedom.

Today, our Ukrainian brothers are living up to it.

One good thing, he didn't promise that he would open the Polish market to Ukrainian produce because that is what they want. (on the other hand, maybe he did but we don't know about it, if he did he should swing next to JK and Morawiecki),

Hovere he couldn't resist and ranted about Hungary. Well, they told him back to F off and noticed that he locked up members of the opposition party.

I had a young person (a teenager), ask me some interesting questions recently.

We were watching Ost Bloc military parades, as one does with his brother on a Thursday afternoon. At some point he asked me: what were these Polish/Romanian/GDR/etc soldiers feeling, marching in front of their "puppet" leaders? Did they feel pride, like we did? Did they always know it was an elaborate kabuki theater, and they were essentially attack dogs of the Kremlin?

It made me think, for a second. I told him, that in my opinion these were still "Leaders", with a capital "L". The only person higher in authority than Jaruzelsky, can only be some Brezhnev, but not any other citizen of the almost 300M USSR.

This prompted a second question - did normal citizens then, have a hierarchy of their own amongst themselves? For example, could a Soviet tourist come to Warsaw and act like a complete boor, and annoy all the Poles through his arrogance? Again, I told him that in my opinion, this was a ludicrous concept. If anything, we are seen as slaves, and a people that suffer from a myriad self inhibitions. It's hard to imagine, a Soviet citizen striding around anywhere as a colonial overlord.

So then, we returned to the question of the parades, and if they were authentically uplifting for the people involved. I told him, that it was a good question, and the answer is likely yes. Of course, I also explained that his idea of them as "attack dogs of the Kremlin" was much too simplistic, and that in actual practice they often did refuse to do things or outright rebelled.

Another thing he asked me, is what would an American equivalent of Russia look like, if the USA was the USSR - and it similarly collapsed.

I really liked this question.

I told him it was like Texas separating (Kazakhstan), California (Ukraine), Massachusetts (Belarus), and then IL, IN, WI, MI, MO, OK, TN, ND, SD, ID splitting off as well (the Stans and the Caucasus). Basically, the East Coast minus Massachusetts, is what Russia would be. I tried to match it up to the population loss, and economic potential remaining, in the aftermath of 1991 for Russia.

So then, of course, he said that from that perspective, our current war seems insane. You probably know what I told him then.

I find it insane on two accounts:
1, Comparing Russia to the US, is like comparing apples and oranges.
2, the level of delusion in Russia as to their standing in the world.

You have to admit we're doing well enough, being 20X poorer and smaller.

We should designate one state for blacks and one for LGBTs.
It would be interesting to watch both of these oppressed groups climb over the wall and ask for asylum in the racist and homophobic states.

Yes, but that`s a little problem compared to brave new future which awaits our two states.

Besides, Polish farmers aren`t against helping common Ukrainians. They are against sponsoring rich international companies which produce agro stuff in Ukraine and want to make money by selling it in Poland at dumping prices.

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Here, have a taste of your "brave new future". Comments under an article from today, regarding Polish farmer protests, in Ukraine's leading newspaper.

Source: pravda.com.ua/news/2024/02/20/7442712/

Translations:

1) "They are no better than the Russians."/// "This is true, we cannot rely on them."

2) "Why be surprised? Read about what was happening in the 17-18th centuries, and how the Commonwealth behaved. They have always been enemies of Ukraine. The Cossacks would kick their Pans out, but then they would come back and restore control over Right Bank Ukraine."

3) One of your countrymen seems to have had enough after reading Ukrainian comments.

4) "Poles have the essence of a vulture. When Ukraine will begin to lose the war, they will come armed with weapons to finish us off." /// "Agree with you 100%. They just can't wait, so they already started with blockades, ingrates."

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As inane (and as valid) as the trash that appears daily on here.