Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash

That some dude opinion, good as any in here !

His opinion doesn't actually say anything.

Why is it Ironside, that despite the best efforts of PiS, they still haven't produced *one* expert who backs up their theories? Could it be because no expert in a relevant field agrees with them?

And what he's saying is full of meaningless soundbites like -


I'm sure the Roma nation would have a thing or two to say about that.

The Bohemian Romani certainly would.

Oh, actually, no they won't: so many of them were killed during the Porajmos that the language ceased to exist.

What theories and why you ask me ? Ask PiS!
As for experts, there a few of them whose calculations and expertise definitely put a big question mark on the official report.
not their fault that they have no access to the wreckage and the black box - why those are still in the Russian hands ?
Why PO done nothing about it?


there is actually an interesting piece of information,


the-Roma what ?
what about the African nation then, what Kunta Kinte would have said at such racist omission eh?

I'm asking you - you're the biggest PiS fanboy on here, after all.


There are no experts who are experts in that area. That's the most amusing thing of the lot - many random professors and so on have been produced, but not one of them actually has expertise in the area in which they talk about.


Good question. I think it's probably because the Government wants to avoid a bitter row over what should be done with them. You're not stupid, you know fine well that the supporters of PiS will demand that the wreckage is given to "them".


Where? There are wild claims and speculation.


True, could be argued that the vast amount of suffering at the hands of dictators and colonials is far worse than anything Poland has suffered.

Am I ? that is a news to me ! other than ugly and stupid way of classify everybody who is opposed to criminally incompetent PO government as PiS what else did you pick up from your PO friends /maybe I should ask you to explain each and every PO's blunders ?


O curse they are, do your homework,


Well, you actually think that I'm stupid ! what kind of excuse is that / nobody has to "give" anything to anybody - just an access !

It doesn't answer my question - why wreckage is in the Russian hands along with black box ? After all there is nothing to hide, all have been solved and explained by MAK and Polish report !


here -

Oh go on you can to much better than that. PO does not want the black boxes to avoid a row in parliament? Tell me this is a joke.

Actually, no. They have copies of the black box data, they actually have precious little to gain by taking the wreckage back to Poland. They've had full access to the wreckage, and as it stands - what use would it serve by having it in Poland?

Tell me - what do you think should be done with the wreckage?

Have a third party analyze the wreckage.

What's wrong with Polish experts?

The desperate attempts by the opposition to involve foreign experts - and - worse - appealing to the Russian State Duma to help is treasonous at best.

nothing. have they examined the wreckage?

If Polish people do end up examining it then if they suggest nothing in particular, PiS will say they favour PO. If they say it might be the result of a bomb explosion, PO will say they favour PiS. So they need to be neutrals.

Hence a third party.

But we don't care what PiS says.

What about Jews then?

Yes, what about Jews, Iron?

do you believe this now, Gen. Petelicki??
If it is a suicide, it reminds me of that prosecutor that tried to kill himself in front of the cameras. The possibility that it was pilots' fault totally unravels them?

Or, if he was killed, that's even more interesting.

Dear Russian friends, why are you doing it to us?

A few weeks ago we learnt that bodies of two female victims of the crash were swapped into each other`s coffins.

https://polishforums.com/news/rest-peace-anna-walentynowicz-62099/


freepl.info/1977-autopsies-smolensk-victims-bodies-undermine-russian-version

Today, we are learning that one of Russian blog sites has published drastic photos from the crash site in Smoleńsk and Moscow morgue.


Come on, Russians. It is not the way people should behave in civilised countries. If you demand to be treated with respect by others, as one of your national characteristic goes, you must stop behaving like fekking cattle and start acting like cultural people. Otherwise, you will be always considered Euroasian barbarians from the East. Is that what you want?

Sorry, friends, I am really pisssed off now.

Are you sure about this? Freepl.info is notorious for making up stuff.


What do the photos show?

Yes, I know but I gave their link as the best English translation of the matter.

Polish sites are full of that.

Corpses exhumed March 19 is definitely body Przemyslaw Gosiewski - says on the air RMF FM Lawyer Attorney , Agent some families of victims of the Smolensk air crash . - On the basis of many of the physical characteristics , as well as others - even diseases that have been identified , in my opinion certainly is Gosiewski - provides lawyer .

Rogalski ensures that all the doubts that had a wife Gosyevski on the question of whether the grave of her husband buried his corpse in fact , have been allayed. And the fact that the Russians in the wrong way described at the time of the autopsy height and weight of the late Mr Law and Justice Lawyer explains " negligence " of Russian doctors.

They basically show the dead bodies of some of the people in the crash. Some of the bodies are in drastic condition. The photos were deleted quickly from the blog but someone put them up on youtube and I saw them. To be honest I wish I had not [I lost to my curiousness]. It was horrible. I think they got taken off youtube now as well since I am now unable to find them again.

Pawian is right though, there is something about constantly prodding and taunting Polish people that Russians are obsessed with [by Russians I of course mean the Russian government and people who work for them].

[just noticed Pawian is suspended. Wonder why?]

Do they bollocks! Poland is way down the list of things that Russia gives a shiit about.


Because he responded to being warned about his posts by very literally asking to be banned for a month.

Actually sir I think you'll find that they do care. Poland might not be a priority but it is well known the Russian government's in the past and the government now just does not like Poland. Not only that but also, it does matter to them who is in charge. PO is just fine for them. If PiS was in charge they would almost certainly conduct an investigation with America's assistant, but with PO rejecting any assistance from the USA and anyone else, and the US experts not being able to do anything about it since the Polish government has the power to reject them, it suits Russia just fine.

No, PiS would conduct a witchhunt, come up with some nonsense to justify blaming Russia and then go after domestic political opponents in revenge.

We don't need American experts - Poland has plenty of experts in every single area. We have professors in aerodynamics, we have professors in aviation, the lot. If we need outside help, we can ask German, French or British experts within the European Union to help using already established academic links. Why America?


Really, it doesn't. For all the mud thrown at Russia by the twins, did you see them do anything in return? They shrugged their shoulders and got on with business.


The government in Russia now hardly cares about Poland. It's pretty much a non-factor in Russian politics. In fact - if you want evidence of this, check out RussiaToday. There is a clear opposition within Russian politics to the missile defence idea, but apart from that, they really couldn't care less about Poland.

It's a bit like the football rivalry between England and Germany. The Germans don't really care (they hate the Dutch far more), but the English hate them.

Yeah sure. That depends on what you want to believe. Some would say they reacted in the worst possible way.


I occasionally flip to Russia Today but what do you expect them to do, talk about how much they do not like Poland every day. The dislike of Poland is hidden. They act like Poland is insignificant are happy to see the leaders in the country arguing among themselves and having problems. It is hard to explain it but you must understand it is true. Talk to Polish people or older generations, they will tell you.

Some would say that, but they are on the fringes of society. Heard from Macierewicz recently? No?


Polish people I know laugh at the concept of Russia going to all this effort with a country that is firmly in the EU and NATO camps. Why would they bother when they've got nothing to gain anyway?

The older generations? Plenty of them don't agree with that view, too.

Now, if you said that Lithuanian politicians have problems with Poles, you could be right...

Some people are delusional twats. Very often they are the same people who believe that their saviour Lech wouldn't have been utterly humilated at the election which was coming very soon.


To Russia, Poland is insignificant: they have far far more important things to do than worry about yet another former colony.


I do talk to Polish people: they reckon that people like you are talking utter bollocks.

Some opinion polls had him down as little as 20% - a first round defeat was looming.

Anyway, why on earth would the Russians want to draw attention to themselves when they could just wait another few months?

Exactly: he had five month until he became the first ever sitting president of Poland to be defeated in the first round of an election.


If they really did want him dead, they could have waited five months and then staged a suicide (which would have been entirely believable given the humiliation Lech would have just suffered).

You'd also wonder why they would kill the one known to be the puppet of his brother - when the brother was far more dangerous and unpredictable.

Funny how it's all gone quiet in the search of electoral gains, isn't it?