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Rest in Peace Anna Walentynowicz or is it...?!


goofy_the_dog
19 Sep 2012  #1
The exhumation of the bodies of Anna Walentynowicz of the holy memory showed that the body in the coffn is not her!
Where is the body then? Who is laying in the coffin?
And most importantly why were we not informed about it? (instead we are informed about pitiful little scandals with the Polish traditions (otrzęsiny)

The shocking information that in the coffin of Anna Walentynowicz - the legend of "Solidarity" - is the body of another person, is omitted in the main editions of news television stations. "Messages" TVP and "Events" Polsat did not noticed this topic , and " Fakty " TVN was given to him only a few seconds.

One commentator portal Salon24.pl - Roder - even calculated that the scandal of substitutions bodies was presented in " Fakty " TVN footage population of just 55 seconds , while the hazing in the Salesian high school in Lubin devoted almost eight minutes .

Please discuss.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
19 Sep 2012  #2
We will when you provide a more credible source than that.
OP goofy_the_dog
19 Sep 2012  #3
I knew you'd say something like that haha so predictable that it is just sad...
you have got the most reliable source on the internet right here, but "nasz klient, Nasz pan!":

The coffin of Anna Walentynowicz is the body of another person - said attorney . Stefan Hambura . The body which has been studied in Wroclaw today is not the body activist .

Today in the Department of Forensic Medicine in Wroclaw began the autopsy victims of the Smolensk disaster , which was exhumed from the family tomb Walentynowiczów family . However, during the examination of the corpse son of the legend of solidarity did not recognize her .


Cheers.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
19 Sep 2012  #4
I knew you'd say something like that haha so predictable that it is just sad...
you have got the most reliable source on the internet right here, but "nasz klient, Nasz pan!":

Radio Maryja, reliable? Can I have some of what you're drinking?

Again - we'll discuss it when you produce an even halfway credible source.
pawian 159 | 9,509
19 Sep 2012  #5
The exhumation of the bodies of Anna Walentynowicz of the holy memory showed that the body in the coffn is not her!

So far it is her son who claims so.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
19 Sep 2012  #6
What a disgrace, not letting your mother rest in peace.
pawian 159 | 9,509
19 Sep 2012  #7
I know it isn`t my mother.

On the dissecting table is not my mother - said after the inspection body excavated from the tomb of Anna Walentynowicz her son , Janusz . According to him , there may be a change of bodies . According to the representative of the family Walentynowicz attorney . Stefan Hambura , prosecutors from the office shall order the exhumation of all the victims of the Smolensk disaster .

- I know my mom. I know what she looked like , and the body , which was exhumed , it is certainly not her - said after leaving the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Wroclaw son of Anna Walentynowicz , Janusz . He added that he hoped that the second exhumed in recent days, the body will prove his mother. - Can recognize it in the other person and bury where she wanted to be buried in Gdansk - he said.

OP goofy_the_dog
20 Sep 2012  #8
Delphi could you please stop making sarcastic remarks???
It is not nice especially when it involves people that have died...
Apart from that, I think that Radio Maryja or Niezalezna.pl are one of the most reliable sources of information,
I know that you all probably love GW, onet, interia, wp.pl... but I don't really think that they are reliable ;)

Cheers
jon357 63 | 14,122
20 Sep 2012  #9
What bad taste it is to disturb human remains for no good reason.

I think that Radio Maryja or Niezalezna.pl are one of the most reliable sources of information

Fortunately most people are not so daft.
OP goofy_the_dog
20 Sep 2012  #10
The same to you Jon, the same to you...
Well are you trolling ?? Do you understand simple Englsh or are you just too drunk? :)
It says clearly that the body is not of Anna Walentynowicz of the the holy memory, so there was a reason to do the exhumation... as far as I know the Russian Documents didn't match the look of the body

It is a really not matured way of thinking:
"I don't read/listen Radio Maryja, Niezalezna.pl because they are not reliable... why? because only the opposition voters and old people read/listen to them!!

Onet, Interia, tvn24 very reliable!!... why? because lots of people watch/read them!! I want to be cool!!!"

It is indeed a very narrow point of view, as my friend said yestearday :)

What if this is the truth??! Will you then believe that Smolensk Crash was indeed a planted explosive device???

Cheers!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
20 Sep 2012  #11
Apart from that, I think that Radio Maryja or Niezalezna.pl are one of the most reliable sources of information,

Of course, you don't actually live in Poland, nor do you have any plans to return - so really, I think we know better than you.

"I don't read/listen Radio Maryja, Niezalezna.pl because they are not reliable... why? because only the opposition voters and old people read/listen to them!!

No, we don't listen/read to such 'sources' because they've been repeatedly proven to fabricate most of what they say.

Hence why - if you want to talk about the subject, please give us some reliable sources.
Harry
20 Sep 2012  #12
I know it isn`t my mother.

Don't know about you lot, but if my mother was killed in a plane crash and then buried for a couple of years, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't recognise the end result either.
jon357 63 | 14,122
20 Sep 2012  #13
"I don't read/listen Radio Maryja, Niezalezna.pl because they are not reliable... why? because only the opposition voters and old people read/listen to them!!

I don't read/listen to that sort of thing because it's polemicised unreliable discredited trash. You might understand that if you were a little more discriminating and/or lived in our country.

Will you then believe that Smolensk Crash was indeed a planted explosive device???

It wasn't.

Use Occam's Razor.

There was absolutely no reason to kill that dreadful one-term president.
Less777 - | 50
20 Sep 2012  #14
Odd. I mean posts above are odd. Either she is Anna Walentnowicz or she isn't, stands to reason that her family have a right to check it out.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,479
20 Sep 2012  #15
What bad taste it is to disturb human remains for no good reason.

For no good reason, yes, but what if it is not the body of his mother. Should it be a good reason to disturb the remains or not ? (just asking)

The result of the genetics tests will be known in 7 days (two centers take the samples for research). Her son says he did recognise the body of his mother in Moscow, but now he is sure it not the same body that he saw in Moscow.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
20 Sep 2012  #16
Don't know about you lot, but if my mother was killed in a plane crash and then buried for a couple of years, I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't recognise the end result either.

Especially a plane crash which happened at over 200km/h and upside down. If I recall rightly, they identified Maria Kaczynska by her wedding ring - which tells you how terrible the crash was.

There was absolutely no reason to kill that dreadful one-term president.

His approval ratings were down as low as 20% at the time of the crash - there was absolutely no way that he was going to win reelection. He was hated at home and abroad, he had no real influence in Poland anyway.
jon357 63 | 14,122
20 Sep 2012  #17
Should it be a good reason to disturb the remains or not ?

I don't think so. Better to let people rest in peace.
sofijufka 2 | 191
20 Sep 2012  #18
but I understand people, who want to pray at the grave of the member of family/husband/wife/friend - not of the person unknown...
jon357 63 | 14,122
20 Sep 2012  #19
I think that's preferable to digging up corpses.
hague1cmaeron 14 | 1,377
20 Sep 2012  #20
And most importantly why were we not informed about it?

Even if it happens not to be her, who gives a fukc, what difference would it make?
Relatives were invited to confirm whether person x or y was the real person, so if her family identified her incorrectly to begin with, well that's tough luck.
jon357 63 | 14,122
20 Sep 2012  #21
I suspect theirs a certain amount of melodrama in all this, That and stoking the fires of awkwardness by the Smolenskists.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,479
20 Sep 2012  #22
I think that's preferable to digging up corpses.

I agree, it's much easier to change the grave-plates rather than resorting to changing corpses in the graves. But then again, in order to know who is buried in the grave, you would have to dig up the corpse in the grave prior to changing the plates.
Less777 - | 50
20 Sep 2012  #23
ODD! Are you for real? I don't want to offend anyone but.
Ziemowit 12 | 3,479
20 Sep 2012  #24
ODD! Are you for real?

For real with what? That changing the grave-plates is easier than changing corpses in the graves? Technically it is easier, but I don't believe it should be done this way. I still think that changing corpses is precisely what should be done in case when there had been a mistake with burying the corpse.

I was responding to some posters' remarks who tend to believe that it is quite irrelevant whose body is burried in the grave. With that I strongly disagree, so I began to be ironic about the whole matter.
Less777 - | 50
20 Sep 2012  #25
I was responding to some posters' remarks who tend to believe that it is quite irrelevant whose body is burried in the grave. With that I strongly disagree, so I began to be ironic about the whole matter.

Sorry! That what I meant by odd when I comment here! Their attitude to the whole issue is ODD!
OP goofy_the_dog
20 Sep 2012  #26
I you'd actually read the news you'd know that the last time that the Sp. Walentynowicz's family saw her bod she had a rosary in her hands, the body was in the coffin... the body in the grave wdidn't had anything in her hands, so either Russkis stole since the it was a pretty expensive rosary, you could say that to some extent it was a family treasure or the person in the grave is Walentynowicz... in 7 days we willl know the "truth" (although I higly doubt that with kind of a huhuh "democracy" that we have now)

I am interested what will happen if the body is not of Anna's but of simebody else... what does it say about the Russians? What aboiut Smolensk?

Indeed very interesting...

On the contrary:
To Delphi, my dear friend who in every post to me just vomits with hatred :)
Dear friend, you have said:
"Of course, you don't actually live in Poland, nor do you have any plans to return - so really, I think we know better than you. "

So let me answer you now. Obviously your English skills are very low since you do not leave abroad... this forum/website was created initally for the Poles at home and abroad to talk and discuss different topics such as politics, traditions culture etc... If you want to discriminate somebody that either shares a different nationality/lives anywhere else/ or shares a different perspective on a certain event than that my friend is not just hatred and obvious arrogance: ("my argument is right because it is... you are stupid and dumb because you live in a different country!!!") I'd say that it a pure discrimination.

Delphi could you please come back to Earth!!? :(, when you'll finally grow up my friend, you will discover that many people have different opinions on subjects that you think you have got a license on, and that at the same time they are nor stupid or dumb or that they don't even live abroad! (I know it's sounds crazy!)

"No, we don't listen/read to such 'sources' because they've been repeatedly proven to fabricate most of what they say.

Hence why - if you want to talk about the subject, please give us some reliable sources."

Well again you use too much of the way of thinking of a very primitive man, my friend: (Radio Maryja/GC are stupid because I say so, and what I sy is the holy truth!!)

Also just to add a bit to your very limited knowledge (which concerns me a lot sonce you live in Poland!), the Polish state in the 1990s has become a free country from the communist oppression, hence could you please stop use a plural to describe yourself? Since it was only you who twice attacked me over the issue of me giving the sources from the "Forbidden Websites!"??

Cheers
pawian 159 | 9,509
26 Sep 2012  #27
ooops!

The DNA tests confirmed that the bodies of two diseased women, one of them Walentynowicz, were swapped and buried in each other`s graves.

It is really incredible - how could Russians be so messy as to put the bodies in wrong coffins????? Is the traditional paradigm of Russian unpredictabilty and mess true even in 21 century?

The body of Anna Walentynowicz were swapped with the body of another victim of the Smolensk disaster - said the Chief Military Prosecutor's Office . - The circumstances of the conversion are checked - assured in a press conference the spokesman , Col. Zbigniew Rzepa . He added that the decision on exhumations took place so late because of the long delays in the delivery by Russia of documents from the autopsy . Turnip reported that " the prosecutor's office plans to conduct four more exhumations ."

Miltary prosecutors are planning next 4 exhumations.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
26 Sep 2012  #28
It is really incredible - how could Russians be so messy as to put the bodies in wrong coffins????? Is the traditional paradigm of Russian unpredictabilty and mess true even in 21 century?

Russian incompetence for you - nothing new, really.

And they think these people would be smart enough to plant a bomb, really?
polonius 54 | 420
26 Sep 2012  #29
The Polish media are having another field day, this time about the suspected mix-up of coffins in which the remains of Smolensk victims were placed. More and more families are requesting the exhumation of their loved ones. Today Marshal of the Sejm Ewa Kopacz (who back then was health minister) tearfully proclaiming on TVN24 that she did everryxthing in her power in Moscow in April 2010 but that she was only in charge of comforting victims' families. How could Walentynowicz's mortal remains have been placed in the wrong coffin? Her son saw them in Moscow and everything was OK. The ugly red Russian coffins were changed in Warsaw to handsome wood-grain ones. That might suggest that they mix-up took place in Poland. So overall political responsibility for the chaos falls to the ruling Tusk clique.
jon357 63 | 14,122
26 Sep 2012  #30
More likely to incompetent 'Polish professionals' of any or no particular political shade.


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