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Despicable Ukrainian lies


pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #61
No, that fragment was randomly chosen for a quote. You aren`t surprised with my reaction to your stupidities and lies here, you are extremely happy. War is peace, accusing is claiming. hahahaha
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #62
your stupidities and lies (...) War is peace, accusing is claiming. hahahaha

Calm down. So much hatred is not healthy, even on an internet board.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #63
Calm down

No need to. :):) In purely cold blood I am only exposing your worthless input here.
A stupidity took place when you claimed 4 millions refugees were accepted by Poland. And you still aren`t able to explain what accepting means. Amasing.

A lie took place when you claimed that Poland NEVER blocked Ukrainian food.

How simple. Thank you very much. I hope you are pleased with the attention you craved. :):):)
Novichok 4 | 7,727
22 Jul 2023 #64
Its just another quagmire brought to you by the industrial military complex and Demorats.

My words exactly.
They both try to keep it going by insinuating that letting it go would be like agreeing to extermination which is comparable to Auschwitz. When you ask for civilian casualties you get "low because Russians are incompetent" or some such bs. Quoting:

How many people have died during the war in Ukraine? OHCHR has estimated the number of deaths of civilians, or non-armed individuals, in Ukraine at over 9.1 thousand since the start of the war on February 24, 2022.

9 thousand deaths is just one month in the US fentanyl war - with the other side getting full support from Democrats who don't give a fu*ck how many Americans die every year as long as they get their new voters. So who is the real war criminal?
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #65
Kania, a short lesson to you. When you start a thread with such an aggressive name like DESPICABLE LIES, you mustn`t post lies and manipulations yourself. Everything in your input has to be true and proven. Otherwise, it looks you are trying to make idiots of all the readers of your thread. It is a wrong approach. Try to correct your ways.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #66
A lie took place

But you didn't say "a lie", you said "lies" (and nasty lies at that). See? I can do the nitpicking too.

worthless input here

Nobody else here claimed that it's worthless, some people even think that the thread is "interesting with much needed info", so it's only your obsession. :)

The reason you're angry is because I exposed the lies of Ukrainian prime minister and discussed the pure barbarism of not allowing the exhumation and proper burial of OUN-UPA victims for over 30 years now. You have an allergy for even the slightest criticism of Ukraine, hence your blind fury. Quite sad.

Try to correct your ways.

Yes, I will try to make 100% of my claims absolutely accurate instead of 95%, not to encounter your fury again. :)
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #67
Yes, I said lies, but focused on one only. Very well. In this way we are going to scrutinize your input even further. :):)

E.g,

but it turned out that Ukrainian grain oligarchs decided to just sell it in Poland.

Another lie??? I read it was Polish shrewd business people who took over the grain and sold it in Poland.

Nobody else here claimed that it's worthless,

I don`t care who said or didn`t say sth. I say what I think, simple.

You have an allergy for even the slightest criticism of Ukraine,

Yes, especially if it contains lies and unproven accusations.

95%? Sorry, that NEVER, written under DESPICABLE LIES, made for 50% lying content in your opening post. Ha!
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #68
it was Polish shrewd business people

It might have been certain people (more probably than not connected with PiS) who decided to help Ukrainian oligarchs to make money (for proper remuneration, no doubt) but it is them who wanted (and still want, as we can see from their constant demands to open the Polish market) to sell their grain here.

I say what I think, simple.

Not that simple really. I just can't figure you out - how can you reconcile being a liberal leftist with your hatred of Russia? You must surely realise that the sources of your life philosophy lie in the French but also - or perhaps especially - in the October Revolution. Your entire attitude doesn't make sense. Why would a rabid leftist hate Russia so much? It is, after all, your spiritual fatherland. Oh, well... people are complicated I suppose.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #69
how can you reconcile being a liberal leftist with your hatred of Russia?

What?? This debate is about despicable Ukrainian lies concerning Poland, so why are you suddenly inserting Russia into it??? Amasing. :):):)

Besides, why are you lying again??? I don`t hate Russia. I only reject imperialist Russia and Russians. Non-imperialist Russians are OK to me which is easy to prove in other threads. Simple.

PS. You are writing more and more stupidities. I don`t really understand why you sound so pissed off. You got what you expected when creating this highly provocative aggressive thread so what is wrong with you now??? :):):)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #70
I was just curious about the intriguing inconsistency in your attitude towards Russia (as it's definitely connected to your allegry to criticism towards Ukraine).

And I really don't understand why you think I sound pissed off. I'm not.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #71
your allegry on criticism towards Ukraine).

I reject your stupid nitpicking criticism coz imagine Poland in the situation as Ukraine is now. Would you be happy to learn one day that Germany blocked Polish grain coz too much of it was sold in Germany instead of the EU??

Beside lies and manipulations in your posts, you also refuse to explain precisely what you meant by accepting. That is why I claim your overall production here is worthless.

I sound pissed off. I'm not.

I already said - you are stepping up on the number of stupidites which suggests certain emotions on your part. :):)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #72
Germany blocked Polish grain

Shmyhal made his statement very recently, a couple of days ago, when no blocking of Ukrainian grain was in place - on the contrary, the transit through Poland more than doubled since January, so your analogy fails.

He was lying in the vain hope that Poland would open our market to Ukrainian grain, to the huge detriment of our farming.

what is wrong with you now??? :):):)

Too many question marks, too many emoticons. That indicates high level of emotion on your part as well.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #73
Anyway, you dislike me and this may cloud your judgement, so you might want to read what Witold Jurasz, a journalist of Onet (a German-owned portal) and a former diplomat during the first government of Donald Tusk (Jurasz was Poland's chargé d'affaires in Belarus back then), wrote about the Ukrainian prime minister's lies...

wiadomosci.onet.pl/opinie/jurasz-skandal-zbozowy-miedzy-polska-a-ukraina-to-skutek-niedojrzalosci-pis/0r1wder

... he's a former diplomat, so he's using a more diplomatic language but still he calls a lie a lie.
amiga500 4 | 1,532
23 Jul 2023 #74
Nothing simpler that roll it back into the bin. Just like that.

How naive. Extreme nationalism is very hard to put back into the bottle once released, besides it's their most recent history fighting against the russian imperialism in ww2. Celebrating Bandera and OUB-B has been taught in schools since 2004 as part of a plan to create a ukranian identity and state separate from russia.

What figures and movements do you suggest replacing this to cement ukranian nationalism and identity?
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #75
@amiga500
It still possible. Most of the population doesn't have a clue nor care for it. If not whole country will going to pay for it in the long-term plane.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #76
so you might want to read what Witold Jurasz, a journalist of Onet (

Yes, I had also read that article before and realised it incited you to produce your aggressive thread.

Need to step on it to hear a crunchy sound. :)

Exactly. Do to me what you, rabid nationalists, did to Jews in Jedwabne during WW2 or President Narutowicz in 1922.

whom he perceive as fascist.

You constantly prove you have a fascist character and beliefs, so why can`t I perceive you as such????
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #77
it incited you to produce your aggressive thread

Nope. It was another article in "Gazeta Warszawska" but as a leftist you would reject that source right away, so I linked a source more acceptable to you (but basically also exposing Ukrainian lies).
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #78
Too many question marks, too many emoticons. That indicates high level of emotion on your part as well.

My main emotion while discussing things with you is impatience waiting for your explanation what accepting means. :):):)

you dislike me

I dislike your pathetic input in this biased thread coz I dislike partisan liars and evaders. That`s what you are here.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #79
impatience waiting for your explanation what accepting means

You will need a lot of patience then, because I won't play your nitpicking games. :)

in this biased thread

We are all biased to some extent. If someone claims to be 100% objective, it is merely an extravagant pretension. A bit like claiming to be infallible.
amiga500 4 | 1,532
23 Jul 2023 #80
but as a leftist you would reject that source right away,

haha he's no leftist but merely a neo-liberal. His views are as bland and comformist as any western corporation. Though previously he posted that poor people should not have children so that makes him a despicable eugenicist as well.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #81
I won't play your games.

This way you admit you dropped bs but now are too embarassed to admit it. Thanks. :):):

We are all biased to some extent

You are biased negatively while I positively towards Ukraine to some extent. You think you have the right to express your bias freely? So be it. Others have that right too. So why are you so mad at my reaction to your bs lies here which you in fact expected and hoped for?

he's no leftist but merely

I remind you it is not a thread about pawian but Ukrainian lies about Poland. Ha!
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #82
@pawian

Thanks for constantly bumping my thread. :) This way more people can read about Ukrainian lies and their barbarous refusal to allow the burial of our dead.

As for the rest of your post... *yaaaaaaaaawn*
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,770
23 Jul 2023 #83
What is it with you and pawian? Did I miss something? :)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #84
Did I miss something? :)

Check out earlier posts, BB. He's just annoyed that I dared to expose the lies of Ukrainian prime minister and he nitpicks about some minor inaccuracies in my posts. :)

Every reader of this thread can judge for himself how serious my "lies" here are, especially compared to what Shmyhal said. Also, I linked an interesting article from German-owned Onet, written by a former diplomat during the 1st government of Donald Tusk, exposing Ukrainian lies. Well worth reading.

Besides, inaccuracies in my posts are meaningless, I am nobody important. On the other hand, what Ukrainian Prime Minister, and a trusted man of President Zelensky, says is very important. Especially when he lies about one of Ukraine's most important allies. As Feniks rightly noticed "biting the hand that feeds" - tsk, tsk, tsk.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #85
Thanks for constantly bumping my thread. :)

I knew you would appreciate it. You started the thread to provoke and I gladly responded. :):):) You only hadn`t expected that I would catch you lying and manipulating. :):):)

*yaaaaaaaaawn*

Yaawn in the morning means you didn`t sleep too much at night. I am sorry, it wasn`t my intention, really. :):):

Did I miss something? :)

Nothing serious. :):):) Two Poles of two different views on Ukraine are talking - a fully pro Ukrainian vs a sceptical one.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #86
a fully pro Ukrainian vs a sceptical one

I wouldn't say sceptical. I am 99% pro-Ukrainian.

The remaining 1% I reserve for those who glorify SS-Galizien and OUN-UPA, refuse the burial of Polish genocide victims or lie about my country. Sue me. :)
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #87
I am 99% pro-Ukrainian.

No, 50% at the highest. Somebody who is 99% pro doesn`t use such words as despicable.

who glorify SS-Galizien and OUN-UPA, r

But in Poland a lot of people glorify controversial cursed soldiers, for example from Brygada Świetokrzyska who colluded with Nazi Germans. So, what `s the problem? Some Ukrainians glorify Bandera, some Poles glorify Ogień and other murderers. There is balance in nature, as always.

Sue me. :)

and sentence you to one year stay in Russia. hahahaha
amiga500 4 | 1,532
23 Jul 2023 #88
But in Poland a lot of people glorify soldiers of Brygada Świetokrzyska who colluded with Nazi Germans

The difference is those people are not the highest levels of the polish goverment and military and Brygada swietokrzyska are not lauded as liberators of the nation in school text books.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #89
Somebody who is 99% pro doesn`t use such words as despicable.

Of course he does, when he wants to fully express his indignation.

some Poles glorify Ogień and other murderers

That is correct, and if some Ukrainians choose to be only 99% pro-Polish for this reason, then they have full right to do so. I reserve a similar right for myself.

and sentence you to one year stay in Russia. hahahaha

Have you been to Russia? If not, you should go one day after the war. You would be surprised. I met only kindhearted and generous people there. People who are, by and large, poor but who will share what little they have with a stranger (and not exactly from a friendly country). A year in Russia? I wouldn't mind. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Pawian. :)

@amiga500

Yes, Pawian's analogy is not entirely precise and he realises that (we discussed it several times in the past) but one should not look for precise analogies on an internet board. ;)
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #90
Yes, I visited Moscow as a child in early 1970s and had very positive experience.

A year in Russia? I wouldn't mind.

Of course you wouldn`t. That is why I said so. :):)

The difference is those people are not the highest levels of the polish goverment and military

Of course they are. PIS and its Prime Minister Morawiecki were hugely critizised for glorifying murderers from Brygada Świetokrzyska who colluded with Nazi Germans.

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/604886,rocznica-powstanie-brygada-swietokrzyska-lewica-prezydent-patronat-kult-hitlerowskich-kolaborantow.html

Celebrations of the creation of the Świętokrzyska Brigade are underway. Left: The president gave his patronage to the cult of Nazi collaborators

Yes, Pawian's analogy is not entirely precise and he realises that

No, my analogy is just perfect and we both realise it. :):):)
Balance rules!


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