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Despicable Ukrainian lies


mafketis 37 | 10,828
22 Jul 2023 #31
Poland has NEVER been blocking the export of Ukrainian grain to the E

Be mad at Morawiecki whose rhetoric is trying to disguise the total failure of the PiS government to prevent speculators from buying Ukrainian grain... how was it even on the market?

My guess: PiS-ites are among the biggest speculators.....

Give our land back first!

you and bobka need to talk.. he's convinced that masses of Polish people are drooling at the possibility of partitioning Ukraine... you'll make his day!
Novichok 4 | 7,729
22 Jul 2023 #32
accepted 4 million Ukrainian refugees, giving them all social security benefits/health services

That was stupid. It costs a ton and prolongs the war.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #33
IF they choose Bandera as their hero,

Just like some Poles, quite many on the right and nationalist side, choose some cursed soldiers , who murdered innocent people. We already talked about it many times.

accepted 4 million Ukrainian refugees, giving them all social security benefits/health services that Polish citizens get

More than half of them have already returned to Ukraine. Right now there are about 1.2 million Ukrainian war refugees in Poland.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #34
you'll make his day!

It is one of Iron`s old nationalist beliefs that I remember opposing as long ago as in 2009. I thought Iron has changed but it was a futile hope. :):)

No, he was only joking. :):)

Give our land back first!

You shouldn`t joke in that way, especially if we still remember your ardent disputes against Ukrainian ownership of ex Polish lands from decades ago. Somebody might think you were serious.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #35
Right now there are about 1.2 million Ukrainian war refugees in Poland.

So, for every three Ukrainian refugees two have already come back to Ukraine? I don't know where you are from exactly, Pawian, but in Gdańsk it seems like for every Ukrainian that was here a year ago three more came. I don't mind - most of them are lovely people (with obvious exceptions, just like with Polish emigrants in the West) - but I don't think they will be going home en masse any time soon. I meet quite a few on a daily basis and not only they have no intention of going back to Ukraine, they are bringing their close and not-so-close families here.
Novichok 4 | 7,729
22 Jul 2023 #36
I don't mind - most of them are lovely people

Everything is lovely in small numbers. Even gays...

but I don't think they will be going home en masse any time soon.

...because there is no "home" to go back to.

they are bringing their close and not-so-close families here.

That chain migration...how well we know THAT in America...all in need of medical care...without paying a dime in the past...

Why would any of them want to go back and be killed or drafted?

Only Polish volunteers are THAT stupid.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #37
The data was provided by Polish Border Guard.

The number of border crossings can be misleading as well. Some people crossed the border multiple times since they came here, some without documents - especially early in the war - and I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Border Guards having a bit of burdel in their papers in the last 18 months. Can't blame them.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #38
The number of border crossings can be misleading

No, it can`t, it is pure maths. :):):)
Besides, that`s the data PIS gov provides.
rmf24.pl/raporty/raport-wojna-z-rosja/news-ilu-uchodzcow-z-ukrainy-mieszka-w-polsce-znamy-najnowsze-dan,nId,6890477#crp_state=1

About 1.5 million Pesel numbers were allocated to refugee Ukrainians, million of which is active. This makes the number of 1.2 million very probable.

but in Gdańsk it seems like for every Ukrainian that was here a year ago three more came.

You see it that way coz Gdańsk is a small city. Just one part of the co called Tri City. If you lived in Warsaw or Krakow, you would hardly notice them. Simple.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #39
Besides, that`s the data PIS gov provides.

Oh, right - so it must be true. They're never wrong. *rolls eyes*

You see it that way coz Gdańsk is a small city.

Gdańsk has half a million of inhabitants (the ones with meldunek) and the Tricity metropolitan area has about 1.4 million. In Chinese terms it might be called a small city, but in Poland it is generally considered quite large. :)

About 1.5 million Pesel numbers were allocated to refugee Ukrainians

Definitely not all of those who came/are coming get Pesels. When I lived in Ireland (2005-2008) there were throngs of Poles who never applied for the Irish PPS numbers and worked na czarno, and also many never got their registration of residence and just lived with their families or friends. I bet the same thing is happening with Ukrainians in Poland now.
Bobko 25 | 1,993
22 Jul 2023 #40
worked na czarno... I bet the same thing is happening with Ukrainians in Poland now.

Yes.

In Chinese terms it might be called a small city

Hehehehe.
mafketis 37 | 10,828
22 Jul 2023 #41
This makes the number of 1.2 million very probable.

Before the pandemic there were between 1 and 2 million (estimates varied more informed estimates were closer to the 2 million mark).

One telling sign is that the refugee help office (which I passed on the way to work) has been closed for many months now...

A lot of employees in my local Biedronka are Ukrainian (on a handlowa sunday all the employees working are liable to be) so they're mostly working rather than sitting around drawing welfare... (not enough to live on in Poland).

There's also the difference effect --- you don't notice the 50 people speaking Polish you pass on the sidewalk but the couple speaking Ukrainian/russian* stand out and are noticed so it seems like there are more of them.

*I've read that most of the refugees still in Poland are from the East and largely here because they can't go back into russian infested areas or where there's active fighting... but once the invasion stalled those in relatively safe areas started heading back.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #42
Oh, right - so it must be true. They're never wrong. *rolls eyes*

Never mind PiS` data. Your 4 million is simply a huge exaggeration and needed correction. Bringing down back to earth, sort of. Simple. :):)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #43
Your 4 million is simply a huge exaggeration

If you read my post closely, you will notice that I wrote that Poland "accepted 4 million Ukrainian refugees".

The number of Ukrainians who crossed the border into neighboring Poland since the war began has shot past 9 million

aa.com.tr/en/europe/over-9m-ukrainian-refugees-crossed-into-poland-since-war-began/2784911

... and the article is from January. I'd say that since the war began we have definitely accepted 4 million refugees. Half of them might or might not have come back to Ukraine, but the overall number of those whom we accepted (even if only temporarily) doesn't seem too exagerrated.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #44
you will notice that I wrote that Poland "accepted 4 million Ukrainian refugees".

Yes, and an average PF reader imagines 4 millions still staying in Poland. :):

You need to express yourself more precisely and clearly. :):)

E.g.

we have definitely accepted 4 million refugees.

explain what you mean by accepted coz I am afraid we don`t understand each other. :):)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #45
an average PF reader imagines 4 millions still staying

What an average PF reader imagines in his brilliant mind I can only guess.

we don`t understand each other

Nihil novi sub sole. :)
Alien 20 | 4,894
22 Jul 2023 #46
One million Ukrainians have already left for Germany.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #47
Some sources estimate current Ukrainian population at 29 million...

obserwatorgospodarczy.pl/2023/06/25/dzietnosc-na-ukrainie-jest-katastrofalnie-niska/

... which means that about 12 million have left Ukraine (and hasn't come back) since the war began. If only 1.3 million are in Poland, where are the remaining 10.7 million?
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #48
in his brilliant

Cut down on this horrible chauvinistic approach. :):):)

Nihil novi sub sole. :)

Good you know foreign languages but you still forgot to explain what you meant by accepted. :):):)

where are the remaining 10.7 million?

They probably settled in the Free City of Gdańsk. That is why streets are so busy with Ukrainians there.
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #49
you still forgot to explain

I didn't forget. I simply ignored your request to do so. You are nitpicking and I always ignore boring nitpickers. :)

Free City of Gdańsk

No, back then it was rather German that could be heard in the streets...

youtu.be/y6-eVOnAnBk
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #50
I simply ignored your request to do so

Very clever, indeed. :):):)

considering the fact that Poland has NEVER been blocking the export of Ukrainian grain to the EU,

You accuse Ukrainians of lying while it is you who is lying now with this silly NEVER. :):):) How? In April 2023 Poland and Hungary temporarily banned the import of Ukrainian food.

reuters.com/world/europe/polish-government-bans-grain-food-imports-ukraine-2023-04-15/

It meant that no Ukrainian food could enter Poland, regardless if it was destined for the Polish or EU market. The matter was resolved on the EU level a few days later.

And??? Who is lying????

You are nitpicking

Yes, I am nitpicking on you, but you can blame only yourself.. You are an adult and you should have learnt by now that certain kinds of behaviour entail certain reactions from decent people. Ha!
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #51
The matter was resolved on the EU level a few days later.

Yes, I apologise - I should have written "never, apart from a couple of days in April". There :)

You accuse Ukrainians of lying

I don't accuse, I claim that they are lying about Poland "continuing to block Ukrainian exports to the EU".

Who is lying???

Ukrainian prime minister Denys Shmyhal.

Or maybe you claim that he's telling the truth? :)
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #52
I don't accuse, I claim

That is a new speech approach. :):):) Accusing is claiming, war is peace, freedom is slavery., ignorance is strength.

I should have written "

Yes, you should have moderated your temper coz it visibly got out of control. Why so furious? Because one Ukrainian official said sth unpleasant about Poland? Come on. I hadn`t known about that guy`s existence until the whole affair broke out.

who seems to be dangerously talking out of his anal orifice recently.

Fuj!
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #53
certain kinds of behaviour entail certain reactions from decent people

It is you who react in a strange way to my posts, usually with vicious nitpicking. I don't recall anyone else picking on me in this way. Perhaps you have a problem with me but it's your problem not mine.

freedom is slavery., ignorance is strength

Oh, you read books - how nice! Too bad you understand little of what you read. :)

Why so furious?

Hardly furious. More like annoyed and disgusted.
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #54
Hardly furious. More like annoyed and disgusted.

Freedom is slavery while accusing is claiming, remember. :):):)

It is you who react in a strange way to my posts,

Really? You are posting nasty lies and expect being stroked on your head as a good child for that?? Amasing! :):):)

Perhaps you have a problem with me .

Yes, I always have a problem with liars. Simple. :):):)
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #55
You are posting nasty lies

The only thing I wrote that could be - with maximum of bad will - considered a lie was writing "never" instead of "never, apart from a couple of days in April". :) Where are all those nasty lies? 4 million of accepted Ukrainians? Maybe an exaggeration, hardly a lie. See? You are just a sad, vicious nitpicker. *yaaaaawn*

Simple

Yes, you are. :)

You're only picking on me because I'm younger, smarter and more handsome than you. You must learn to control your envy. :)
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #56
4 million of accepted Ukrainians?

Oh, good, you are mentioning it again. What does "accepted" mean??? :):):)

was writing "never" instead of "never, apart from a couple of days in April".

You see, you are still doing it. :):) You didn`t write never. You wrote NEVER. That is why I claim you were lying about Poland and Ukraine.

Lies, aggression, obscenities, fury - that`s what your input in this pathetic thread consist in. (:(:(:(
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #57
You didn`t write never. You wrote NEVER.

You're nitpicking again. *yaaaaaaawn*
pawian 222 | 24,304
22 Jul 2023 #58
You are just a sad, vicious nitpicker. *yaaaaawn*

Didn`t you expect and even hoped for such a reaction like mine from some members here when you started your furious thread? You got it and now seem very unhappy. Haven`t you learnt to be consistent in life yet like an adult man should be ?

Tell us at last, what accepting consists in??? hahahaha
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
22 Jul 2023 #59
you sound so surprised.

Does the fragment you quoted sound to you like an expression of being surprised? Interesting.

Tell us at last, what accepting consists in?

Do you really think I will play your nitpicking game? Forget it.
Joker 3 | 2,307
22 Jul 2023 #60
Ukraine will never win this war without air support. The only war in modern history without any planes. Its just another quagmire brought to you by the industrial military complex and Demorats.


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