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Despicable Ukrainian lies


AntV 5 | 629
23 Jul 2023 #91
@GefreiterKania

It seems the Ukrainian technique is to play the heroic victim card and try shame others into conforming to their will.

The thing that has perplexed me since this idiotic war began was the malleability of the West to suddenly accept Ukraine as a country worthy of EU and NATO membership. Zelensky recently trying to shame NATO into giving a date of Ukrainian membership into NATO and the PM's words concerning Ukrainian grain exports are part and parcel of Ukrainian strategy to get what they want.

I only hope the West becomes as indignant as you. Wanting to help Ukraine defend itself and accepting Ukraine as a functional country worthy of membership into Western alliances and unions are two completely different things.
mafketis 37 | 10,828
23 Jul 2023 #92
the PM's words concerning Ukrainian grain exports

they weren't meant to be exports but PiS is too incompetent to be able to set up a system where the grain would simply be transported through Poland (or kept off the market while in Poland).

PiS... they make a mess of everything because they're incompetent boobs who only care about party loyalty....
Bratwurst Boy 12 | 11,770
23 Jul 2023 #93
the malleability of the West to suddenly accept Ukraine as a country worthy of EU and NATO membership.

...it's the bad conscience, I tellya.

Without the West's meddling Ukraine wouldn't be invaded today....Crimea would never have become a topic....their left-over nukes on their territory from soviet times being a sure deterrent to any neighbour.

As I read the West convinced then-Ukraine with promises and safety-guarantees...that's where we are now! A decision all regret by now, Ukraine the most!

Świętokrzyska Brigade

I read up about them....they don't look to me as pro-Nazi traitors but much rather anti-communist. A mean mix-up typical for that time.....in alot of countries the Nazis invaded.
mafketis 37 | 10,828
23 Jul 2023 #94
Without the West's meddling Ukraine wouldn't be invaded today....

Very true....the US pledged to defend Ukraine in 1994 (as did russia but who expects russians to keep their word?.... they're russian not honest or honorable)

US (and Germany) should have intervened _hard_ in 2014... but Obama just wasn't interested in the outside world and Trump is all hot air an no action so... here we are....
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #95
Wanting to help Ukraine defend itself and accepting Ukraine as a functional country worthy of membership into Western alliances and unions are two completely different things.

Well said, Anti. It will take years for Ukraine to root out corruption and reform their legal and economic system. The road was long and bumpy even for Poland. We officially applied in 1994 and joined in 2004; in case of Ukraine it might take even longer.

a system where the grain would simply be transported through Poland

Exactly such system is in place at the moment and PiS wants to extend it without opening Polish market for the grain. Identical measures are demanded by the Romanian, Bulgarian, Slovakian and Hungarian governments.
AntV 5 | 629
23 Jul 2023 #96
@mafketis

I don't know enough about the particulars to know if it's all PiS's fault, but it doesn't really matter. My main indignation is how gullible and pansy-asses the West is toward Ukraine and how Ukraine is using their current situation to shame the West into allowing it to become a member in its associations.

@Bratwurst Boy

Agreed...except the nuke part. Nukes in the hands of Uke strongmen is a horrendous idea.

This all went south in the '90s, and USia bears part of the blame...a big part, IMO.
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #97
he Świętokrzyska Brigade

the only world were brigade is controversial is in Moscow and all in creation of left wing freaks, your filty lies are as rotten as you. You will rot in hell anyway. Going to be too late for regrets.
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #98
they don't look to me as pro-Nazi traitors

Sure, there were not. pawian ilk is and was siding with Soviets. The were pro-Polish fighing every enemy of Poland.
Novichok 4 | 7,725
23 Jul 2023 #99
your filty lies are as rotten as you. You will rot in hell anyway.

As an experiment, try to write your next post without "you" in it.

The were pro-Polish fighing every enemy of Poland.

...and in English.
Paulina 16 | 4,350
23 Jul 2023 #100
not allowing the exhumation and proper burial of OUN-UPA victims for over 30 years now

What about this?:

tvp.info/64469391/beda-ekshumacje-mogil-polakow-zamordowanych-przez-upa-ukraina-wydala-zgode

We bought the "our Ukrainian grain will be sent to poor hungry Africa" lie last year, and it ended up flooding the Polish market.

You need two to tango though - if Ukrainians were selling in Poland, it means that Polish businesses were buying it.

And let us not forget about the Polish government's failure to control this, until it was too late.

Another thing - apparently RuSSia stroke a deal with African countries in June and it's going to sell it's grain and food surplus to Africa:

wiadomosci.wp.pl/awantura-o-ukrainskie-zboze-i-apel-o-studzenie-emocji-nie-tedy-droga-6921993396780000a

That's one of the reasons why RuSSia withdrew from the Black Sea Grain Initiative and is attacking Ukrainian ports, etc.

Another reason is falling food prices and it looks like RuSSia may want to sell it's grain surplus to China too (that's where the most of Ukrainian grain was being sold):

money.pl/gospodarka/rosja-jedna-decyzja-uderzyla-w-bezpieczenstwo-chin-pekin-jednak-uparcie-milczy-6922033184520800a.html

So, all things considered, I'm not surprised that Ukraine is desperate to sell it's grain and produce anywhere it can.

On the other hand, Ukrainian prime minister shouldn't be lying and it would be better to tone down the rhetoric towards such a faithful ally of Ukraine like Poland, imho...
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #101
The were pro-Polish fighing every enemy of Poland.

Just like banderites were pro Ukrainian, fighting every enemy of Ukraine. What is wrong with that? Be consistent and use the same measure for both nations. Ha!

You will rot in hell anyway.

We will together. :):):) Then, while burning, I will tell you more about how Brygada collaborated with Nazi Germans. You won`t escape!!! Ha!

if Ukrainians were selling in Poland, it means that Polish businesses were buying it.

Exactly, that`s what I told him. But Kania is still gravely surprised I am calling out his bs. :):):)
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #102
What about this?:

Fake news? What is wrong with you? Move to Ukraine if you are so inclined.
They took a big step too far and are in need of a slap to bring them to their senses.
Paulina 16 | 4,350
23 Jul 2023 #103
Fake news?

Why would that be fake news? lol

Unless, of course, you think that Polish prime minister, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Poland and Polish media are all spreading fake news about this for some strange reason lol 🤦

Experts are already looking for remains of Poles in the area mentioned in the article, according to Morawiecki, btw:

salon24.pl/newsroom/1312962,ekshumacje-ofiar-rzezi-wolynskiej-premier-morawiecki-zlozyl-wazna-deklaracje

What is wrong with you?

Are you talking to yourself? lol

Move to Ukraine if you are so inclined.

Why would I do that? lol What is wrong with you? Why are you not telling GefreiterKania to move to RuSSia, if he likes it so much, for example? Why are you picking on me, of all people? o_O
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #104
Why are you picking on me

Because you side with ukies. Simple! Don't need any other reason.

you think that Polish prime minister, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs

It wouldn't be the first time. I going to check it out. Nowdays they lie you all the time.
Paulina 16 | 4,350
23 Jul 2023 #105
Because you side with ukies. Simple!

And what's wrong with that? Majority of Poland is siding with them, in case you haven't noticed lol And who do you side with? With RuSSians? lol

First and foremost I side with the truth though and that's what I posted in this thread - facts. So what is your problem with that?

I going to check it out.

How?
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #106
And what's wrong with that?

Really? Everything. You are an idiot aren't you? Fine, sorry I haven't noticed it before.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #107
They took a big step too far

yes, they decided to oppose the power that Russia was. You dislike them for that? After all, most Polish nationalists have always sided with Russia. You are not an exception. That is one of the reasons I reject your nationalistische beliefs - they verge on treason which is lethally dangerous to the existence of Poland. .
Paulina 16 | 4,350
23 Jul 2023 #108
Everything.

And why is that?
Because I meant that I side with Ukrainians in Ukraine-RuSSia conflict, you idiot. That doesn't mean I have to agree with them about everything and that I won't criticise them for anything. Do you understand now?

You are an idiot aren't you?

No, I am not. And do you think majority of Poles are idiots?
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #109
that I won't criticise them for anything.

Crticism of Ukrainians is OK but not during a war with a deadly enemy which desires to erase Ukraine from the map. There will be time for critical approach after the war.

Really?

Kania, Iron, stop your pathetic antiUkrainian azholing, Ukrainians are fighting and bleeding also for Poland. The price of blood they are paying excuses everything stupid they might say about us. Simply speaking, fekk off Ukraine when there is a war.

If not, I will consider you stinking azholes and treat likewise. You have been warned, azholes. Ha!!!
amiga500 4 | 1,532
23 Jul 2023 #110
Crticism of Ukrainians is OK but not during a war with a deadly enemy

The same imbecilic thinking that kept katyn massacre suprressed during the war and aided stalin. don't be stupid. being constructively critical helps our allies be better.
Ironside 53 | 12,410
23 Jul 2023 #111
No, I am not.

It was a rhetorical question. I have noticed it. Can't unseen it, sorry.
Bobko 25 | 1,993
23 Jul 2023 #112
The thing that has perplexed me since this idiotic war began was the malleability of the West

This really was perplexing, and is something Putin certainly did not properly account for.

The Ukrainians have always considered themselves as center of the universe, as many smaller countries often mistakenly do. Try reading some of their leading newspapers with Google Translate, and see for yourself the hilarious headlines.

The fact that Trump was impeached on their behalf, and Biden as VP meddled to such an extent that he approved the appointment of the replacement to the Prosecutor General of Ukraine - has truly convinced them that Ukraine must be a topic of intense daily discussion in the United States. Add to this the fact that they had the third largest nuclear arsenal, which they think they would have still had if not for US pressure, and the psychological portrait becomes more sharp.

As Russians, we have bullied them mercilessly over their megalomania - for as long as I can recall - but are now left scratching our heads when we see how Ukraine can make the West dance to every note they play.

How on Earth did these fruitcakes manage to convince countries like the US that "we are dying for yours and our freedom", or "we are the shield of democracy, and the tip of the spear of freedom"?
Novichok 4 | 7,725
23 Jul 2023 #113
Ukrainians are fighting and bleeding also for Poland.

Lumping Z, generals, and the guys doing all the dying it too primitive even for you. Don't do that...
Ukrainians are fighting because they are forced to fight by their own.
Ask each one where they are safe to give you their honest opinion before you can make this claim.
My prediction: 99% would rather be in Russia now, wake up in the morning, have a cup of coffee, take a shower, go to work, come back home, hug their kids, have dinner, watch TV...

1% would give it up and fight for "freedom and democracy" in Ukraine.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #114
Ukrainians are fighting because they are forced to fight by their own.

Stop this bs. They are fighting bravely like Poles were fighting during WW2. This is called patriotism. . .
Lenka 5 | 3,440
23 Jul 2023 #115
How on Earth did these fruitcakes manage to convince countries like the US that "we are dying for yours and our freedom",

I would guess that after years of fooling ourselves that Russia changed and is not a threat to other countries we were shocked into realising that they still want to attack neighbouring countries. All Ukraine really has to do is say 'It won't stop with us'.
Paulina 16 | 4,350
23 Jul 2023 #116
Ask each one where they are safe to give you their honest opinion before you can make this claim.

Why don't you ever do that?

My prediction

I really doubt that many people on this forum care about your predictions, so you can shove them you know where :)

I have noticed it. Can't unseen it, sorry.

You clearly look in the mirror too often then :)))
OP GefreiterKania 36 | 1,397
23 Jul 2023 #117
if Ukrainians were selling in Poland, it means that Polish businesses were buying it

Of course, and some of those businesses were - surprise, surprise - connected with PiS politicians...

wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Biznes/lista-firm-sprowadzajacych-zboze-z-ukrainy-sa-powiazania-z-pis

... it was only after desperate farmers' protests that they withdrew from their shady proceedings.

Ukraine is not yet an EU member and they don't yet have full and unrestricted access to European markets; that's why the current mechanism of transit is in place to protect Polish (and also Slovak, Hungarian, Romanian and Bulgarian) farmers.

What about this?

This is from November. As recently as June Ukrainian IPN director was giving us a lovely ultimatum, saying that there won't be exhumations if Poland doesn't take proper care of UPA monument in Monastyr...

wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/swiat/artykuly/8735483,anton-drohobycz-ekshumacje-wolyn-monastyr-ipn.html

... the impudence! :-/

About two weeks ago Polish IPN president informed that they still don't have permission for exhumation...

nie dostaliśmy zgody na prowadzenie prac ekshumacyjnych. Dotąd nie dostaliśmy odpowiedzi na nasze wnioski z roku 2020 - mówił K. Nawrocki. - Brak tej zgody to nie jest decyzja historyczna czy archeologiczna, ale czysto polityczna.

polskieradio24.pl/130/5553/artykul/3205933,wznowienie-ekshumacji-na-wolyniu-prezes-ipn-to-zalezy-wylacznie-od-woli-ukrainskich-wladz

... later he mentions that some exhumation works started in one village (Puzniki) but that without permissions from Ukrainian authorities the full process will take forever (we are talking about 1500 destroyed villages).

@pawian

War cannot justify everything. If Ukrainians are so reluctant to cooperate about Volhyn and feel so free to lie about us now, when they are so desperately dependent on our help, then after the war they will just tell us to f*ck off straight away. Remember my words when it happens.
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #118
Of course, and some of those businesses were - surprise, surprise - connected with PiS politicians.

So why did you write those stupidities about Ukrainian oligarchs who were to blame for the grain scandal?
Novichok 4 | 7,725
23 Jul 2023 #119
They are fighting bravely like Poles were fighting during WW2. This is called patriotism. . .

I noticed you ignored this:

99% would rather be in Russia now, wake up in the morning, have a cup of coffee, take a shower, go to work, come back home, hug their kids, have dinner, watch TV...

Smart move, pawian...

BTW, if you disagree with 99%, what would that number be in your opinion?
pawian 222 | 24,304
23 Jul 2023 #120
I noticed you ignored this:

I noticed it but skipped commenting on coz it was enough when I refuted one false view. Do I have to refute all your false views which you include in one post???? :):):)

If you demand, I will say it now: no, it is a wrong supposition, meant purely for provocation which you are infamous for. :):):)

what would that number be in your opinion?

about 15%, a normal amount in any country.


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