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Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw


Warsaw-fact.    
9 Sep 2015  #211
Jon357, The A.M foundation supported and financed the artwork on the bassis of its cultual representation for Poland. Once the artwork returned to Poland and was placed in plac Z, the LGBT community adopted the artwork as a represtation of ' gay pride' rainbow which was never the intention of the Artist or the A.M foundation. On that bassis the artwork was never a representatin of sexual equality or gay rights, all those who suggest other are trolling.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #212
the LGBT community adopted the artwork

I'd say the people of the city took it to their hearts.

On that bassis the artwork was never a representatin of sexual equality or gay rights, all those who suggest other are trolling.

Yes, absolutely. Sadly some of the homophobes here seem to think it was. The Polish Rainbow is more an optimistic symbol of hope, inclusivity and diversity.
Warsaw-fact.    
9 Sep 2015  #213
Jon357, I believe you are being a touch over optimistic. The artwork has certainly divided Warsaw, the main catalyst of the division in my opinion was in the artist coming out in favor of the LGBT community. Julka now considers herself a voice for LGBT, which I believe was short sighted on her part.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #214
And this sort of hysterical tosh from riffraff was what the Polish Rainbow's sponsors had to put up with. Nevertheless, it had far more supporters than detractors. Hence the re-erection near the Institute for Contemporary Arts and the similar structure commissioned by another group for elsewhere.
Warsaw-fact.    
9 Sep 2015  #215
The original intentions of the artist and the A.M foundation are very progressive. The final result being two ideologies stripping art for political gain. Which is so Polish...
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #216
The final result being two ideologies stripping art for political gain. Which is so Polish...

Bingo. But no ideological reaction on the part of any organised LGBT movement which has priorities elsewhere. All the fuss has been entirely aside from that and the artist has absolutely loved the media attention. I do wonder what Gombrowicz would have made of it all.

All in all, the installation has been a great success.
Warsaw-fact.    
9 Sep 2015  #217
Jon357, so you are suggesting the artist has been instrumental in driving the controversy for her own gain ?
Moreover the artists support of the LGBT movement has been self interest only, if true why have the LGBT movement in Poland not distanced themselves from such self serving individuals.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #218
the artist has been instrumental in driving the controversy

Far from it. I wonder why you even think I said that? Her installation has however certainly received a massive amount of positive publicity - no bad thing. It's easy to forget that plac Zbawiciela was the third location for it and it had already been in Brussels - so huge the publicity has been (worldwide) about it while it was in the city centre.

have the LGBT movement

There isn't one single 'movement' as such who, no single spokesperson who can speak on behalf of everyone. Just a few not for profit organisations with specific remits and a few businesses. Not that I've ever heard Julita Wójcik described by anyone as being particularly 'self-serving'.
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 Sep 2015  #219
re-erection

More trolling. Even Gronkowiec does not want more trouble, OPP (riot police) presence, vandalism, etc. and has moved on to other things.
If there was such a project, the tabloid media and their papparazzi (sp?) would have flooded the web and print media with it. No-one can hide anything from them.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #220
More trolling

Nope. The Polish Rainbow is being re-erected elsewhere in the city - this was always the plan. It will be near Ujazdowski Castle. This has been reported already in the media.

The second rainbow - nothing to do with the first, not the same artist, design or sponsor, is a different matter.
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 Sep 2015  #221
in the media.

Link?
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #222
Yes. Plenty. I found two about the Polish Rainbow's new home within seconds.
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 Sep 2015  #223
I found two

So, if you're not just trolling, why are you keeping them under wraps?
jon357 65 | 13,567    
9 Sep 2015  #224
Po3, judging by the number of links you post, you can obviously use google as well as many, however to save your valuable time, have a look at these:

warszawa.wyborcza.pl/warszawa/1,34862,18634733,tecza-na-placu-zbawiciela-zdemontowana.html?ssoPermanentSessionId=ecd9e42776874d412115c69c04fd61115486b5884b559a7a9364be5a6d7cb896

csw.art.pl/index.php?action=aktualnosci&s2=1&id=1280&lang=
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
9 Sep 2015  #225
csw.art

The sso link doesn't work but the CSW museum is not a bad location. It's an out-of-the-way site for most locals and tourists. And why not have a gallery of decadent-pervy quasi-art? After all, there's a house of stalinesque horrors (statuary, portraits, etc.) in Kozłowka.

Polish Rainbows.

Who cares about your obsessive rainbow. Go dance round it holding hands with your fellow-alternatives. The rainbow is but a kitschy artefact -- here today, gone tomorrow. It is what it has come to symbolise that poses a threat to society, so let's dicuss that a bit rather than obsessing over a pile of twisted scrap metal.
Harry    
11 Sep 2015  #226
Anyway, to get back to the topic, is that gay bar just off pl Zbawiciela still open? Not the lesbian crepe place, the gay music bar down a bit from pl Hipstera off Marszalkowska. I remember being dragged into that place a decade ago to see a transvestite rockabilly band fronted by a very strange man. Or actually, now I think about it, maybe only the lead singer was in drag. I do remember that they tried to hide utter lack of musical ability with sheer volume but succeeded only in blowing the fuses repeated.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
11 Sep 2015  #227
is that gay bar just off pl Zbawiciela still open?

Down from plac Zbawiciela, towards pl Unii Lubelski? If it's the place I think, they demolished the whole building and the club there (behind and above a Bulgarian restaurant?) moved nearer centrum (and went a bit more upmarket, not that it would be hard). No grizzly middle-aged fat crossdressing musicians, just drinks and a dj.

That's one of the things about siting the first Polish Rainbow in plac Zbawiciela - it's a very eclectic district with more people out clubbing and partying of an evening than ever darken the door of that church.
Harry    
11 Sep 2015  #228
If it's the place I think

So that's where it went! I'm pretty sure that cheap (under the table) Bulgarian vodka in that restaurant by pl Zbawiciela had quite a lot to do with me going to see a transvestite rockabilly singer in the first place (apparently he used to teach at the same school as one of my former colleagues). I remember seeing the same bloke also being thrown out of the lesbian crepe place on pl Zbawiciela for being paralytic at lunchtime on a Thursday (which they didn't mind) and loudly demanding the staff play the latest demo tape by his rockabilly/punk band (which they did object to, and I don't even think they'd even heard the tape).
jon357 65 | 13,567    
11 Sep 2015  #229
I think I know who you mean - a regular fixture in the dives around plac Zbawiciela and a big supporter of the Polish Rainbow there (when coherent). What's his/her name(s)? I can never remember.

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You meet some interesting people in plac Zbawiciela...
OP Polonius3 1,007 | 12,507    
12 Sep 2015  #230
interesting people

All depends hoew one defines "interesting". People also go to zoos and attend freak shows because they find them interesting.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
12 Sep 2015  #231
Most of us however do not. Nor do we rant and rave about homosexuality to the extent that we start 30 plus threads on an internet forum and comb the internet looking for stuff (pictures too?) about it. Nor do most people who've seen it have any objections to the Polish Rainbows either.

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Warsaw-fact.    
12 Sep 2015  #232
The rainbow was commissioned as artwork to represent Polish culture it was never a symbol of gay pride, the gay pride flag is made up of 7 or 8 colors, the Polish rainbow is made up of 6. The saddest part for me is now people are jumping on the bandwagon to create more rainbows in Warsaw which will detract from the artists original message.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
12 Sep 2015  #233
The rainbow was commissioned as artwork to represent Polish culture it was never a symbol of gay pride,

Nobody does think that - except perhaps Po3 and a tiny number of people who are obsessed.

I rather like the rainbow - its symbolism is very broad and the fact that there's another one is rather positive.
Polsyr 6 | 773    
15 Sep 2015  #234
Merged: New Rainbow @ Plac Wilsona

Update on the subject:
The structural design has been finalized and submitted for approval.
Sponsorship for supply of solar panels has been secured.
Sponsorship for supply of LED lights has been secured.
Rich Mazur 5 | 1,726    
12 Jun 2018  #235
OK, back to the topic.

Does anyone know what political forces in Warsaw caused the city to erect that rainbow monument to the gays?
Dirk diggler 7 | 3,662    
12 Jun 2018  #236
Polish leftists supported by pro lgbt anti conservative ngos, as usual...

The hillarious thing was turkey offering support to polands lgbt community... freaken turkey rofl. Sad thing is I dont think they were trolling

They had to make it a hologram because every time they made it out of other materials it was promptly set on fire or otherwise destroyed. I'm willing to bet this one will soon be destroyed too.
jon357 65 | 13,567    
13 Jun 2018  #237
Does anyone know what political forces in Warsaw

No political forces, nor is it a monument. It was an art installation and is currently elsewhere. The rainbow was recreated briefly recently and was popular.



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