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Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw


OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #91

when you exit the metro station.

One wonders whether they'll emplace a puke bin for emerging tube passengers confrotned with such a nauseating sight. Otherwise the surroundsing pavements will become slick, slippery and dangerous.

Harry 81 | 13,362    
28 Aug 2015  #92

No, they won't need a bin because most people like it.

And no doubt the people who won't like it will dislike it on principle, not because they have actually seen it and know that they don't like it. One can note exactly the same thing with the moron who posted a comment on tvnwarszawa.tvn24.pl claiming that the rainbow on pl. Zbawiciela did not suit its environment because pl. Zbawiciela had survived the Second World War and thus told the world that he had clearly never seen the rainbow on pl. Zbawiciela, because either he was blind or he had very obviously never been to pl. Zbawiciela.
Polsyr 6 | 777    
28 Aug 2015  #93

I wonder how many brigades will be in charge of protecting this one. Maybe with 24/7 air support? ;)
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #94

in charge of protecting this one.

They should import some good, well-trained American attack dogs and appoint Harry to be their handler. But they should make sure they're all properly miscro-chipped. EU humans will be next, eh Harry? Poland will be the testing ground.

never seen the rainbow

The rainbow was kitschy, tawdry and tacky from a purely asethetic point of view. It was the kind of thing one expects at a fun fair where tackiness is part of the atmosphere - not in front of a church, palace or historic monument. Even if it had not been the symbol of a morally toxic łobby, it was the epitome of bad taste.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
28 Aug 2015  #95

Why the was? It'll be in Warsaw for a long time yet. It's by a renowned Polish artist, and plac Hipstera where the body which commissioned it, the Adam Mickiewicz Foundation, had placed it is actually its third location. The fourth location is going to be elsewhere in central Warsaw.

Plus of course the new rainbow, opposite Kino Tęcza.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
28 Aug 2015  #96

They should import some good, well-trained American attack dogs

No. As has already been pointed out to you, using attack dogs in Poland is illegal. That is one of the reasons why attack dogs never, ever guarded the rainbow on pl. Zbawiciela, despite at least one media source incorrectly reporting that riot police with attack dogs mounted a round-the-clock guard on the rainbow on pl. Zbawiciela.

Unless Polish and European law changes (which it won't), the only way you will see attack dogs guarding things (including the proposed new rainbow) will be if you go home.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #97

And no doubt the people who won't like it will dislike it on principle, not because they have actually seen it and know that they don't like it.

I keep saying it, but the first time I saw the rainbow, I thought "what a pretty rainbow". I didn't think "OMG GAY YAY" or anything else - it was just a pretty rainbow. If anyone immediately thinks "gay sex" when they see a rainbow, then they need their heads examined.
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #98

pretty rainbow

So a metal arch with tacky plastic particles stuck on and out of sync with the architectural entourage is the epitome of artistry and good taste in your books? Interesting!

attack dogs

But the only acceptable kind are the micro-chipped ones that regulalry attend Sunday mass.

opposite Kino Tęcza

Kino Tęcza is OK since it's tucked away in a side street and only seen by those who actually make it a point to see it. Plac Wilson would be horrible -- subjecting innocent, hapless pedestrians and tube users to something so nausating would be a crime against humanity.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #99

So a metal arch with tacky plastic particles stuck on and out of sync with the architectural entourage is the epitome of artistry and good taste in your books? Interesting!

I didn't know you were a keen defender of socialist realist architecture!

I didn't get close enough to see what it was made of, all I thought was "hey, pretty rainbow" - and I thought about how it brightened up the surrounding neighbourhood. I'm not from Warsaw and I don't spend much time there, so for me, it was just a nice rainbow that brightened up a rather dull looking neighbourhood.

And yes, I stumbled across it without knowing anything about it, because most of Poland only found out about it after they attacked it.
Atch 14 | 2,268    
28 Aug 2015  #100

Poland would do well to pattern itself more on the good ol' USA

This from the man who never stops complaining about the moral decline of the USA.

The rainbow was kitschy, tawdry and tacky from a purely asethetic point of view.

It's not a great piece of art. It's not there because of its artistic merit or its beauty. It's there to make a point and I think it was placed where it was in an historic setting, precisely for that reason. The coming together of the old world and the new world where homosexuals have their place along side everyone else. However, I agree that it didn't look good there and now that it's done what it set out to do, it should still be on view somewhere but would look nicer and more appropriate in a public park perhaps.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #101

in an historic setting

To be fair, I'd hardly call generic 1950's socialist realist architecture historical. Warsaw is full of identical looking areas, from what I remember...
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #102

socialist realist

Socialist realist 100% is the nearby Constitution Square. Plac Zbawiciela is highlighted by a neo-Baroque-like church and stylised surrounding architecture that does not clash with it. It is a fairly small, cosy and atmospheric circle as is. Adding fun fair-like kistch of any kind, let alone a blatantly and provocatively anti-Cathoilic symbol directly opposite the church, was in very poor taste and strictly out of character.
Harry 81 | 13,362    
28 Aug 2015  #103

. Plac Zbawiciela is highlighted by a neo-Baroque-like church and stylised surrounding architecture that does not clash with it.

I think a picture is called for here: And perhaps another one:

plucky survivor of WWII

It is a fairly small, cosy

Back to cosy corners, are you?

a blatantly and provocatively anti-Cathoilic symbol

The rainbow is, according to the word of God of Christians, "the sign of the covenant that I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for all future generations". It's a pity that Cathoilic's consider it to a an anti-Cathoilic symbol. Christians see it as a sign of their covenant with God.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #104

blatantly and provocatively anti-Cathoilic symbol

Oh dear.

Who doesn't love a rainbow? From Rainbow Brite dolls and Care Bears, to Lucky Charms cereal, rainbows are marketed to children as symbols of happiness and hope. A rainbow after a storm makes every one stop and marvel at its beauty. A double rainbow graced the sky on the way to our honeymoon, and again during our 25th wedding anniversary celebration. We took it as a sign not only of God's love, but as a blessing on our own covenant.

catholicdialogue.com/2012/02/26/the-rainbow-gods-covenant-of-love-for-all

The Definition and Meaning of the Rainbow as a Catholic Christian Symbol
Catholic Christian symbolism in art provides a clear graphic illustration which represents people or items of religious significance. What is the definition and the meaning of the Rainbow? A rainbow is an arc of colored light in the sky caused by refraction of the sun's rays by rain. The colors of the rainbow are red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. The rainbow is stated as a sign of the Covenant with Noah (solemn agreement made between God and Noah) and God's promise to Noah that never again would the World be purified by a Great Flood.

catholic-saints.info/catholic-symbols/rainbow-christian-symbol.htm

So there we have it. Rainbows and Catholicism are linked and not perceived by any normal Catholic as being anything other than a biblical symbol. If you associate it instantly with homosexuals, then you really should question your commitment to your religion.
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #105

anything other than a biblical symbol

Your feigned piety is pure (wink-wink) hypocrisy. You know jolly well what the Zbawiciela rainbow stood for, why the jons of this world (who are none too religious) were obsessively attached to it and why it was attacked. It had nothing to do with the biblical rainbow that appeared to Noah but was hijacked by a noisy, pushy lobby as a symbol of their perversity.

hypocrisy

That would be like saying that swastikas are OK because they once symbolised an ancient, pagan sun god. But we all know who hijacked it and what it came to stand for. It's much the same with the rainbow.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #106

But again, Polonius, you're the one associating rainbows with homosexuality, not us.
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
28 Aug 2015  #107

Christians

Christians like Harry, I presume. BTW nice photo shop work. Unless the place has been reconstructed Saviour Square was always a relatively small circular plaza with arcaded buildings framing it and the church as the main landmark. Whatever the case, your obsessiveness is still showing. Ride every small detail to death. Winning the debate at all costs. That's your chronic obsession. Get a life!

being anything other than a biblical symbol.

Direct your complaints to the LGBTQ lobby for hijacking a Christian symbol. A pile of muck would have been more apropos.

"Rainbows used to mean something very different than they do today," the pastors write on the website of the Antioch's Bible school. "It used to be understood as the sign God put in the sky to remind us that e He'd never again destroy the earth with a global flood. But of course, that's not what most people associate a rainbow with today." It has been co-opted by "the homosexual movement".

christianpost.com/news/wash-pastor-wants-christians-to-take-back-the-rainbow-and-restore-biblical-symbol-73560/#AKrGZrVDbyvpMwaI.99
delphiandomine 86 | 16,477    
28 Aug 2015  #108

I assumed he was more bothered by people starting fires and destroying art in his home city than anything else.

Direct your complaints to the LGBTQ lobby for hijacking a Christian symbol.

Why can the two not coexist? It's rather a symbol of hope and new life - it seems entirely appropriate for the two groups of people to co-exist. From what I know, it's not uncommon for homosexual people to also be Christians - the two are not incompatible, despite what some people might think.

But of course, that's not what most people associate a rainbow with today." It has been co-opted by "the homosexual movement".

See, again, people thinking first and foremost of homosexuality rather than hope.

Some might say that the symbol of the rainbow is also a sign from God that he'll be a bit more tolerant in future, given his general intolerant nature in the Old Testament.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
29 Aug 2015  #109

When push comes to shove, the Adam Mickiewicz Foundation rainbow has been a huge success, already being installed in three locations and about to be re-installed in the fourth.

Sadly there was hostility from the same organised group of vandals who rip up pavements and throw the stones at people, however it has attracted a lot of support. Nevertheless, it has far more supporters than detractors and certainly brightened up a grey part of town.

Great to see a piece of art by a Polish artist showcased in Brussels and I look forward to seeing it in its new home in central Warsaw.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
29 Aug 2015  #110

@Jon: Inspite of a mere steel and plastic rainbow, I believe that Homosexuals in Poland (and elsewhere) would prefer to have the same rights (marriage which would also stop penalizing them in terms of tax paying, adoption...) as the others.

Maintaining the rainbow also costs public money and believe me, Poland and Warsaw have other priorities. I was all last week at Centrum Onkologii (Ursynow) for tests and inspite of big improvements, such as water dispensers and fans in big quantities, NOT ENOUGH seats in most treatment areas and as a result patients (who have cancer, not a mere f...ing cold ;)) have to stand for up to some hours while waiting. I am personally shoked when I see (often old) people with cancer obliged to stand for hours before their tests or to meet with (overworked) doctors because there are not enough ... chairs. This is ONE example of unacceptable things we still can find in Poland. Since further to my operation in 2009, I have to visit said hospital once a year, I can say that I see above said situation all the time...

Also we sure could do with more transportation means in Warsaw as buses, trams and even metro are always full (at least 50% of the time, I have no seat).

Sure having a rainbow is nice but personally I believe giving equal rights to all should be a priority. Such projects should be privately financed (I would agree to personally chip in).

What about the ridiculous plastic palm tree at Ch. de Gaulle Rondo, how much did it cost? I expect the artist to be X's or Y's good friend.
jon357 69 | 13,499    
29 Aug 2015  #111

Rights come anyway. Public art is important, and both the palm tree and the rainbow were funded by private organisations. I agree that the health system is a shambles though.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
29 Aug 2015  #112

@Jon: OK if 100% PRIVATE money. Poland has unfortunately a lot of other priorities. Health is only ONE of them (I'm talking about it since I was in the system last week. Believe me, it is shocking to see numerous cancer patients (often with no food eaten since hours) standing up to 2 or 3 hours or even longer because .... not enough chairs). This lack of chairs (which I see EVERY year) is of course not the only problem in Polish health system and also the lack of money can be observed in everything in Poland and that's the reason why the little public money should be used more wisely.. ... Same goes for instance with the stadions built for the Euro (a very high civil servant told me a lot about their financing at the time and trust me, they do cost a lot to taxpayers)....

Misuse of public money is of course universal but we talk about Poland, a poor country, with a lot of unsatisfied (including most basic) needs... I am sure, most Poles feel the way I do ..

Back to the topic please
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
29 Aug 2015  #113

Public art

Is kitsch art? Probably many of those weaned on tacky commercial popculture would say "yes".
jon357 69 | 13,499    
29 Aug 2015  #114

Po3, one person's definition of kitsch isn't another's.

This piece of art is not kitsch however by any definition, and good that it will soon be displayed in a fourth location. The copy that is being erected in the roundabout opposite the Kino Tęcza is also a positive step. It has proved very popular with far more supporters than detractors.

Did you seriously just compare gay people (who simply have sex that you disapprove of) to NAZIS

Sadly yes. Some people just have no standards.
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
29 Aug 2015  #115

murdered MILLIONS

The comparison pertained only to the hijacking of a symbol. Both he rainbow and swastika originally stood for something quite different than what the hijackers contend.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
29 Aug 2015  #116

@Pol: a lot of people use a rainbow as a symbol and they are not gay ;). In my neighborhood there is a (private) day care center using it and not far away from it, there is an organization dealing with blind kids using symbol too. What I'm saying is that gays have not taken the rainbow symbol away from anybody else. If I am not wrong, South Africa calls itself the "rainbow nation" and although South Africa has legalized same sex marriage, I doubt that all (or most of) South Africans are gay ;).

don't think: rainbow = homosexuals!
jon357 69 | 13,499    
29 Aug 2015  #117

It's basically a symbol of inclusiveness, light and hope.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
29 Aug 2015  #118

yes, hope and light after darkness and in case of countries like South Africa, it could also mean diversity. If I remember right, the flag from Mauricius (I had once a colleague from there) looks a bit like a rainbow (in their case, most probably, it refers to the multitude of ethnies and colors there).
Harry 81 | 13,362    
31 Aug 2015  #119

BTW nice photo shop work.

No photoshop work at all. You're more than welcome to actually go there yourself and have a look, you clearly need to; you might even see some more of those invisible attack dogs while you're there.

Saviour Square was always a relatively small circular plaza with arcaded buildings framing it

Thank you for displaying, yet again, your ignorance of Warsaw. Here are photos of the building on pl. Zbawiciela which were there in 1939, you remember: the ones you claim all miraculously survived the war.

Where are those arcaded buildings you told us about?
OP Polonius3 1,015 | 12,527    
31 Aug 2015  #120

pl. Zbawiciela

When you leave the church and turn left and cross the narrow road -- isn't the Delikatesy there any more? Directly opposite (on the opposite side of the square) next to the Methodist English School was another set of arcaded shops. Maybe they've been rebuilt.

Is it safe to go there these days? There may be freaky types lurking in the shadows!




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