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Degenerate "rainbow" eyesore to disappear from Saviour Square (Plac Zbawiciela) in Warsaw


OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
11 Aug 2015  #31
detain somebody that to train it to attack

If the detainee starts running away, your intelligent EU police dog just scratches its head and says: Well, I tried but he ran away! C'mon, get with it. A police dog will pursue and knock the fugitive to the ground. You can call it an attack or not -- that's just antics with semantics.

BTW didn't you see the photo of the policeman with policedog watching that ugly plastic rainbow? Scroll back if you missed it.

no police, no dogs.

Some posters claim there have never been policemen or policedogs guarding the rainbow. Read on:

In Warsaw's Saviour Square stand the remains of something the gay community call "the rainbow". After being torched all the remaisn is the skeletal strcuture. Ta pile of scrap metal must, however, be very valuable because it is guarded by the police, and round-the-clock to boot.

And two two-man patrols ciruclate trying to locate in the passing crowd potential assailants who might want to level to the ground the skeleton defacing Saviour Square.

niezalezna.pl/48626-jakas-kpina-policja-przez-cala-dobe-pilnuje-zelastwa-ktore-bylo-tecza
bullfrog 6 | 604    
12 Aug 2015  #32
But Polonius, pardon me for asking, is Nie Zalezna a reliable source?
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
12 Aug 2015  #33
@Pol3: This is NOT true. It is not because written in a paper or on the net that it is true ;). Do trust people who live in Warsaw because only they know the truth.

I don't remember when it was installed but I have seen it for years (I used to live in area until last October) and now I am in the area several times per month. Believe me, I have NEVER seen police and dogs there. I suppose there only cops there on Nov. 11 (but I stay at home ;)).

I remember that it was almost complely destroyed on a Nov. 11 (2 or 3 years ago, I can't remember) and remained so for quite a while. It was fully restored in May 2014 and since then no vandalism whatsoever. There are no police. I assume that most people living in the area don't care about it and that's all.

@Pol3: do come to Warsaw and see for yourself INSTEAD of believing any BS you find on the net! People who live in Warsaw know better:

You are intelligent so I don't understand why you take for granted whatever BS you find on the net. This bugs me when I read (or hear) people who don't know, who have not been to the place but they "know" because they have read it somewhere ;). As you most probably know, a lot of journalists don't write the truth.

In this forum, there are several of us who live in Warsaw and we all say the same...

Please be reasonable and accept the truth! :)
Harry    
12 Aug 2015  #34
is Nie Zalezna a reliable source?

No, it's even less reliable a source than the American newsletter in which one can read about the non-existent attack dogs and riot police which supposedly mount a round-the-clock guard on the rainbow in pl. Zbawiciela.

If the detainee starts running away, your intelligent EU police dog just scratches its head and says: Well, I tried but he ran away! C'mon, get with it. A police dog will pursue and knock the fugitive to the ground.

Actually, no it won't. It will chase after, overtake the subject and stand in front of the subject; if the subject flees again, it will take an arm. That is what they are trained to do. That is the reason that when you are faced with a police or guard dog the best thing to do is to stand very still with your arms straight up in the air and hope that it's a trained dog (you aren't going to outrun the dog but trained dogs are trained not to bite a stationary subject). I understand that in your country things might be different, but do try to remember you are our guest in Europe now. The dogs photographed in pl. Zbawiciela on one of the very rare times that were there would have been properly trained dogs.

@Pol3: do come to Warsaw and see for yourself INSTEAD of believing any BS you find on the net! People who live in Warsaw know better:

He has posted several times stating that he does live in Warsaw. The problem is that he simply either sees things which do not exist or he writes about seeing things which do not exist. For example, when you or I go to pl. Zbawiciela we see that it is architecturally dominated by 1950s socialist realism and we see that every building there has been built or rebuilt since the 1950s. However, when Pol3 goes there, he either sees somewhere which "miraculously escaped wartime destruction" or he writes about that even though he doesn't see it. Perhaps he is so used to writing about things that his readers cannot check that he feels he can simply make things up as and when he wants, which is why he writes about attack dogs which simply don't exist mounting a round-the-clock guard in a pre-war square which simply doesn't exist.
jon357 66 | 13,338    
12 Aug 2015  #35
The art installation in question has never been guarded by "armed riot police" or "attack dogs" and is being moved to another part of the city centre. This was always the plan.
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
13 Aug 2015  #36
@Harry: Hi! I am no achitecture expert but like you, I think the area was built in the 1950's. As to the Rainbow, it beats me that some people keep refusing the truth. Media are very dangerous indeed through their lies. When we live in the place, we do know the truth but most people don't live in the place and when stupid, they take for granted whatever they read/hear. If Pol3 lives in Warsaw, why doesn't he go there and check instead of believing any BS found in partial media? If he sees different things from the reality, maybe he should buy or change his glasses. NOBODY can claim the Rainbow is or even has been protected by police and dogs because it is NOT true. In police central stations they do have cameras to check what goes on in ALL areas so it includes Savior Place.

Yes, each November 11, police need to be in that area because of fascists's attacks and most probably American media show ONE picture taken on a Nov 11 and their "conclusion": this is the way it IS in Warsaw.

It drives me crazy when I read/hear BS about what something/somone that I know very well but unfortunately a lot of people don't want to inform themselves, they just take for granted any BS some media (medium?) shall write/say. The only way to know is to travel and to meet people who really know.

What to do, Pol3 and many others believe that there are heavy police and attack dogs protecting the Rainbow and whatever we say is useless. American media know "better" about Warsaw than .... Warsaw's inhabitants ;) lol

@Pol: if you live in Warsaw, I invite you for a coffee/drink/even meal in area and you'll see that what you claim is not true ;)
OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
13 Aug 2015  #37
is not true

A simple experiment: Just try approaching the rainbow carrying a shopping bag and try to touch it. You may see no iniformed police there but just see what happens and report back to us here on PF, OK?
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
13 Aug 2015  #38
@Pol: I OFTEN walk around there with a shopping bag as there are among others a Superfarm and a Rossmann stores and in summer there are always 1 or 3 guys selling fruit and vegetables and nothing has ever happened to me. When I am there, I also see tons of people carrying shopping bags as a lot of people live there and do their every day shopping there and nothing happens. Believe me, should it be like you say, a lot of people here would complain (Poles are not a homogeneous mass and all ideas can be found among therm).

Please stop believing BS from dishonest media!

Do you think anyone would be stupid enough to carry bombs in their bags in order to blow up a ... plastic rainbow? Obviously you don't know Poland and the Poles
jon357 66 | 13,338    
13 Aug 2015  #39
Sadly, InPolska, some nationalists, conservatives, bigots really are that stupid. Pol3 is writing nonsense though. Plenty of people go up to the installation and touch it. Perhaps he should spend some time in the sun, sitting outside one of the cafes opposite and actually have a look rather than locked up indoors fulminating.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,341    
13 Aug 2015  #40
A simple experiment: Just try approaching the rainbow carrying a shopping bag and try to touch it.

Shame I'm not in Warsaw, otherwise I'd do it and video the whole thing.

But Polonius, pardon me for asking, is Nie Zalezna a reliable source?

No, it's very heavily biased in favour of the political opposition.
OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
13 Aug 2015  #41
video the whole thing

Here's a video of interest:



Since some claim there are no police there, these must be Putin's little green men disguised as Polish policemen.
Anyone know whether Gronkowiec has bankrolled the 6 successive renovations of that dingy rainbow eyesore out of her own pocket or used taxpayer money?
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #42
Since some claim there are no police there, these must be Putin's little green men disguised as Polish policemen.

Do they? Perhaps you can quote those claims? Or is you writing about those claims just another example of you reporting on things that very simply do not exist? You have claimed that attack dogs are in pl. Zbawiciela round the clock when the reality is that no Polish government agencies even own attack dogs. You have claimed that riot police mount a round-the-clock guard of the rainbow in pl. Zbawiciela when the reality is that riot police are there for no more than a couple of days a year. You have claimed that pl. Zbawiciela "miraculously escaped wartime destruction" when the reality is that not a building there now was finished before 1953 and it's dominated by socialist realist architecture.

When are you going to realise that at PF you are writing things that will be read by people who have lived in the country where you are a guest and have done for many years. We know about Poland and Warsaw, you can't just treat us like the people who think that they have a special connection with Poland because one of their grandmothers might have been from Poland and so read laughable newsletters. We have been to pl. Zbawiciela: we know that there is no round-the-clock guard of the rainbow by armed riot police with attack dogs; we know that it most certainly did not "miraculously escape wartime destruction". Stop addressing your fantasies to use, post them on Facebook instead.
Tori    
13 Aug 2015  #43
Since some claim there are no police there,

Nice video Polonius3.
You have proved your claim that police indeed were there.
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #44
His claim was not that police were there. His claim was that police were there "round the clock". His very specific claim was that the rainbow was guarded "round the clock by riot police with attack dogs".

Here is a video that shows he was not telling the truth about that (or perhaps he meant to say that the rainbow was guarded "round the clock by invisible riot police with attack dogs that only the faithful can see"?)


Roger5 2 | 1,475    
13 Aug 2015  #45
What kind of person would burn a rainbow?
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #46
Clearly one who isn't afraid of the invisible riot police with attack dogs that only the faithful can see which guard the rainbow round the clock.
Tori    
13 Aug 2015  #47
The good part of it all is that the eye soar will be removed and so will the 1.5% of the Homo's that go along with it.

Now Warsaw can reclaim some decency and not turn into say a London.
Great to see the Polish people standing up for what is morally right by removing it.
OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
13 Aug 2015  #48
attack dog

The dog thing has been cleared up but your tendency to be obsessive has not. While you're at it, maybe check if the dogs have been microchipped according to EU standards and whether they attend Sunday mass regularly or are simply cafeteria Catholics. LOL!
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #49
The dog thing has been cleared up

Has it? I just checked the original source of the claims about "attack dogs" guarding the rainbow round the clock and the webpage in question still most certainly still says that "attack dogs" guard the rainbow round the clock. Perhaps somebody should drop an email to the editor, given that the matter has now been cleared up.

your tendency to be obsessive has not.

I was always told that telling the truth is a good thing. You clearly think otherwise, hence your reports about, to give just one example, how pl. Zbawiciela "miraculously escaped wartime destruction" when the reality is that not a building there now was finished before 1953 and it's dominated by socialist realist architecture.
Roger5 2 | 1,475    
13 Aug 2015  #50
Yes, it says, "The square is patrolled round the clock by riot police with attack dogs." This is a blatant lie. I intend to write to the author and ask him to change it. Perhaps I already have.
delphiandomine 86 | 16,341    
13 Aug 2015  #51
The author does have a long history of writing absurd nonsense in the Polonia media, so perhaps it's what they expect to read about Poland?
EyalOlmert    
13 Aug 2015  #52
Finally!

Finally!

Finally!

Aesthetically ridiculous symbol, should disappear long ago!

(Together with that pathetic Palm-tree)
InPolska 11 | 1,824    
13 Aug 2015  #53
@Pol: The video you have supplied is only ONE day situation (I remember it). The cops are also there every year on November 11 and as a result it means 1 day (max 2) day(s) PER YEAR. Sorry, but 1 or 2 days per year are by definition ... EXCEPTIONS and not the RULE. We cannot generalize out of 1 or 2 examples and you should know it.

@Levi: I agree with you re the stupid plastic palm tree on Rondo Ch. de Gaulle - completely crazy, kitchy but as the "artist" must be someone's friend ;)
OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
13 Aug 2015  #54
tons of people carrying shopping bags

As you know the eyesore is on a grassy "island" at the centre of a round-about, adn there is no normal pedestrian traffic there. To get to it one has to cross an often busy road. So cross that road, enter the grassy "island", look both ways suspiciouslly, and then walk up to and touch or pat or stroke the rainbow. And be sure to report back!
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #55
look both ways suspiciouslly

Would you like her to look suspiciously at all of the buildings on pl. Zbawiciela you claim "miraculously escaped wartime destruction"?
OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
13 Aug 2015  #56
like her to look suspiciously

No, I'd like you to do it. Yet another Polish adventure for a non-Polish-speaking Brit.
Harry    
13 Aug 2015  #57
No, I'd like you to do it.

I have no need to look suspiciously at the buildings on you claim pl. Zbawiciela you claim "miraculously escaped wartime destruction": I know when they were built; I even remember shopping in one of the buildings that isn't there any more.

a non-Polish-speaking Brit.

Whoever said I don't speak Polish? I'll need to prove (and improve) my ability to speak Polish before I collect that Polish passport I'm in the process of getting; you know, the passport you turn your nose up at, because you think you're too good to be Polish, you prefer to be American.

Anyway, does anybody know exactly where the Rainbow is being moved to? I hope it's somewhere where there are fewer hipsters than there are in pl Hipstera.
Polsyr 6 | 776    
20 Aug 2015  #58
Photo credit: Martyna Wojciechowska (facebook.com/MartynaAtTheEndOfTheWorld)

I think it looks brilliant!



OP Polonius3 1,008 | 12,508    
20 Aug 2015  #59
brilliant

tacky, trashy, tawdry and out of character...like a fish & chips take-away in front of Westminster Abbey! But... À chacun son goût!
jon357 66 | 13,338    
20 Aug 2015  #60
I think it looks brilliant!

Yes, it really brightens that square up.




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