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"POLISH death camps" term used by "Parade Magazine" Anti-Polish Bigots


Lyzko  41 | 9694
17 Aug 2023   #211
Hmm, have to explain that one, jon.
Are you honestly saying then that the whole furor over the article is linguistic rather than political??
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #212
the whole furor

Whole?

No, however there are certainly people in PL who think they understand English better than the English and incorrectly assume that term means that they were run by Poles.
Lyzko  41 | 9694
17 Aug 2023   #213
Not to split hairs here, but by saying/stating "POLISH" Death camps vs. "NAZI/GERMAN DEATH CAMPS IN POLAND", the clear implication, even for me as a bilingual native English speaker, is that those institutions were therefore owned and operated by Poles as opposed to anybody else.

Since this is historically false, I can understand why many Poles would have a problem with it being that it misrepresents the truth!
pawian  221 | 26144
17 Aug 2023   #214
incorrectly assume that term means that they were run by Poles.

Not only Poles assume that;. Other nationalities who don`t use English as a native one also assume it wrongly.
Lyzko  41 | 9694
17 Aug 2023   #215
But that's the point!
It's unclear English.
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #216
It's unclear English

Not to the English.

Plus of course headline language and journalese in general tend to be truncated.
Lyzko  41 | 9694
17 Aug 2023   #217
True enough, yet if you as a history person read "POLISH Death Camps", don't you automatically see a difference between that and "GERMAN Death Camps in Nazi-Occupied Poland"?? 'Course you do.

A cursory first glance scarcely allows time to extrapolate, does it?
pawian  221 | 26144
17 Aug 2023   #218
Not to the English.

The English speaking countries make about 500 million people in the world. What about the remaining 7.5 billion??

in general tend to be truncated.

Which is grasped by intelligent readers. What about those less smart???
Lyzko  41 | 9694
17 Aug 2023   #219
Yes, what about them?
Those to whom you're referring are NOT native English speakers then.
Nearly one billion Chinese learn English, yet it's not their first language.
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #220
are NOT native English speakers then.

Then it's not up to them to criticise how the English use their own language. It's not Esperanto.

Nearly one billion Chinese learn English, yet it's not their first language.

And they have their own newspapers.

Which is grasped by intelligent readers. What about those less smart???

They should have tried harder at school.
pawian  221 | 26144
17 Aug 2023   #221
Then it's not up to them to criticise how the English use their own language.

Apart from non English speakers, English ones, those less smart, also understood it wrongly. Let`s be honest - those stupid ones always make the majority in any country . The US or UK are not immune to widely popular stupidity. It was them that the Polish campaign was directed at. Ha!

They should have tried harder at school.

Tell it to moron Brits who finished their education at 16 and left schools. :):):) How will you convince them to try harder??? :):):)
The Polish campaign was aimed at such morons, too. -
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #222
Polish camp campaign was a just cause

Did anyone say it wasn't?

They should have acknowledged that their interpretation of another language was limited though.
pawian  221 | 26144
17 Aug 2023   #223
They should have acknowledged

Making the whole campaign senseless?? Come on, be reasonable... :):):)
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #224
the whole campaign senseless

Did anyone say that?

Or did they point out an aspect that hadn't been theretofore mentioned?

inished their education at 16 and

And leave with better critical thinking skills than some in places where they had to stay until 18
pawian  221 | 26144
17 Aug 2023   #225
Did anyone say that?

Those uneducated morons would say that.
You perfectly realise that the phrase Polish death camps sounds to most people as if they were set up and operated by Poles.
jon357  73 | 23224
17 Aug 2023   #226
Yes, maybe one did.
Ironside  50 | 12515
18 Aug 2023   #227
At the end of a day who cares?
it is really much ado about nothing.. who cares what morons think, those who know and still use it, will use it anyway when it suits, it is not a question of the truth but a political tool of a historical narrative ...

I think Poland lost that one.
By the way if any Ameircan citizen would like to have point fingers here, should wash the blood off their own hands first, what happeing with all those tortures, war on terror and wars all over the place where cililians are killed, it is all endorced by US citizens who are alive today here and now and they are resposible for it all as well.

Jews, camps, WWII - most people alive then, are dead today.
Lyzko  41 | 9694
18 Aug 2023   #228
Many also live in Israel.
Ironside  50 | 12515
18 Aug 2023   #229
yes, that had been five at the time, so there are maybe few, what is you point really?
Lyzko  41 | 9694
18 Aug 2023   #230
Only this, that there are still a large number of survivors who are very much alive (if not exactly well) and living in Eretz Yisroel.
Ironside  50 | 12515
18 Aug 2023   #231
you are nitpicking or trolling, who cares? I don't!
Poland is full of survivous and nobody gives a damn... and never did.
Lyzko  41 | 9694
19 Aug 2023   #232
Indeed. And that's part of the problem right there!
The worst kind of difference is INdifference and you damn well never forget it either.
Paulina  16 | 4353
19 Aug 2023   #233
Then it's not up to them to criticise how the English use their own language.

I disagree. It was about more than that.

who cares? I don't!

Then speak for yourself and not for the rest of Poles.
jon357  73 | 23224
19 Aug 2023   #234
I disagree

Or perhaps you agree, since nobody here suggested that it was limited to linguistic issues. Though of course that is, as I said, an aspect to be considered.
Paulina  16 | 4353
20 Aug 2023   #235
I just did.

No, you didn't stop there. You wrote more than that:

Poland is full of survivous and nobody gives a damn... and never did.

So, you were not only speaking for the whole of Poland, but you also lied.
Ironside  50 | 12515
20 Aug 2023   #236
lied.

peoplel like you lie, I don't.
GG was in a senese a hudge concentration camp, all Poles who were living there are survivous.
Paulina  16 | 4353
20 Aug 2023   #237
peoplel like you lie, I don't.

This is clearly not true.

GG was in a senese a hudge concentration camp

Not a death camp though. This thread is about death camps.
Ironside  50 | 12515
20 Aug 2023   #238
@Paulina
or death camp, same diffrence,,,
What do you mean not the truth? You mean you haven't been told that in your primary school? just stop the BS, you don't know the truth!
Paulina  16 | 4353
20 Aug 2023   #239
or death camp, same diffrence,,,

What?

If you mean that GG was basically a death camp then that's clearly not true (at least not for Poles).

What do you mean not the truth?

That I lie and you don't o_O 🤦

just stop the BS, you don't know the truth!

What "truth"??

You really should learn to express yourself more clearly.
Ironside  50 | 12515
20 Aug 2023   #240
Paulina what I can do for you? You are slow on the uptake, you are rigit. you know some standard polish school teaching in that regard. What is the topic?

It is not a question of some historical accuracy. Such deosn't exist, there are only facts, one can put toghather like puzzels better or worse...


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