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"POLISH death camps" term used by "Parade Magazine" Anti-Polish Bigots


skysoulmate 14 | 1,297
19 May 2010 #61
It was a terrible, terrible time that we cannot even imagine. Frankly the whole idea of what nationality suffered the most is so irrelevant. Had Hitler gotten his way all Jews and all central European Slavs would've been exterminated sooner or later. The Soviets/Russians would've made sure that whatever was left of Poles would've been sent to the Gulags or killed of in the Ljubljanka prison and the Nazis would've gone after the Russians untile they're all gone.... Ironically the Nazi and the Soviet ideologies were so close. The sad part is that as much as people suffered under Nazi Germany it pales when compared to the Soviet tyranny yet that past of WWII is seldom even talked about.

My main point is that if you look at the whole picture, the many generations of the Polish/Jewish interaction, it was overwhelmingly a good and a positive interaction with respect on both sides. The distrust and in some cases hate and vengeance became a later phenomenon. We need to go back to the time Jews and Poles trusted each other and cherished and appreciated the same neighborhoods. More things unite than divide the two communities.

I also, twice, had a conversation with journalists about this issue

Good BZ. Imagine if 100 Bzibziohs and 100 skysoulmates had called, emailed, faxed the very same journalists all on the same day. This forum alone has more power than we realize...
plk123 8 | 4,150
19 May 2010 #62
Had Hitler gotten his way all Jews and all central European Slavs would've been exterminated sooner or later.

not really.. he wasn't really bent on killing all poles.. hell, he stole polish children whom had blue eyes and blond hair and made them german.. that is not exterminating all slavs..

The Soviets/Russians would've made sure that whatever was left of Poles would've been sent to the Gulags or killed

right on though

Good BZ. Imagine if 100 Bzibziohs and 100 skysoulmates had called, emailed, faxed the very same journalists all on the same day.

and every time these jokers in the UK print "polish death camps" the poles go ape sh.t and flood them with complaints... almost always the publications correct the issue but it seems to repeat and repeat time after time.. not sure what gives..

since i've been on this forum, there has been countless of these articles brought up and i bet only part of what is printed ever makes it to the forums..
frd 7 | 1,399
19 May 2010 #63
he wasn't really bent on killing all poles.

German Nazi planners had in November 1939 called for "the complete destruction" of all Poles.[208] "All Poles", Heinrich Himmler swore, "will disappear from the world". The Polish state under German occupation was to be cleared of ethnic Poles and settled by German colonists.[209] Of the Poles, by 1952 only about 3-4 million of them were to be left in the former Poland, and only to serve as slaves for German settlers. They were to be forbidden to marry, the existing ban on any medical help to Poles in Germany would be extended, and eventually Poles would cease to exist. On August 22, 1939, about one week before the onset of the war, Hitler "prepared, for the moment only in the East, my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need."[210]

That's from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust#Ethnic_Poles they had such ideas at first. Far from bent on killing..
plk123 8 | 4,150
19 May 2010 #64
my 'Death's Head' formations with orders to kill without pity or mercy all men, women and children of Polish descent or language.

yet that is not what they did.. so that is why i said what i said.. they may have wished but then didn't even try.. not that i am not glad they failed or were too lazy..
1jola 14 | 1,879
19 May 2010 #65
The sad part is that as much as people suffered under Nazi Germany it pales when compared to the Soviet tyranny yet that past of WWII is seldom even talked about.

Interesting article:

A Hidden History of Evil

Why doesn't anyone care about the unread Soviet archives?

city-journal.org/2010/20_2_soviet-archives.html
frd 7 | 1,399
19 May 2010 #66
@plk123
nah you said he wasn't bent while he was bent and he intended to do so, Whatever the outcome was... just clarifying what you've said earlier :)
plk123 8 | 4,150
19 May 2010 #67
he wanted to be bent but really wasn't. :)
joepilsudski 26 | 1,389
23 May 2010 #68
Why didn't the media promote this image of the Jews?

Because it is not in the interest of the Jews.
1jola 14 | 1,879
24 May 2010 #69
Polish American Congress gives CBS a lesson in Holocaust history

canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23526
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
24 May 2010 #70
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The PAC also made it clear that those who felt most insulted were survivors of the German concentration camps and were mistreated there by the SS. They thought CBS was just as racist as the Germans by trying “to depict Polish people as mentally deficient and intellectually inferior.”

*rolls eyes*

Funny to see Poles milking now the Holocaust as the Jews are used to...
plk123 8 | 4,150
24 May 2010 #71
*rolls eyes*

hey.. poles are good with guilting so that was a heck of good way of guilting the couple of jews in charge. lol
1jola 14 | 1,879
24 May 2010 #72
You are not outraged enough. Stick your tongue out and tilt your head too. :)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
24 May 2010 #73
hey.. poles are good with guilting so that was a heck of good way of guilting the couple of jews in charge. lol

Heh:)

I wonder how they felt getting some of their own medicine...;)

*wonders if Germans can do the same if there are again those anti-german slurs in the media...hmmm*
plk123 8 | 4,150
24 May 2010 #74
unless they are catholic, it won't work.. only poles and catholics know how to pull a guilt trip successfully. lol besides, when is there ever anything anti-germani in the media? ;)
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
24 May 2010 #75
Oh come on...the stormtroopers in Star Wars ?(but they are cool) All the Nazi-zombie movies ???(but they are cool too) WAR MOVIES in general???

Hell they make us lose all the time (not to mention putting our soldiers as idiots...you know...allied soldier needs one bullet to kill 100 Germans whereas the German needs 100 bullets to still get killed by the allied soldier).

We have enough to complain about!
plk123 8 | 4,150
24 May 2010 #76
WAR MOVIES in general???

well, the krauts started a couple of big ones... what do you expect?

Hell they make us lose all the time

well, did you win either one?

the stormtroopers in Star Wars

ok i could give you that one but then they are wearing white, no? ;)
OP MediaWatch 10 | 945
24 May 2010 #77
Bratwurst boy,

How do the strormtroopers in StarWars make Germans look bad?

Also Darth Vader with his Nazi German shaped helmet was a cool dude who ended up being a hero in the movie. Many Star Wars fans liked him. They thought Darth Vader was cool. So that indirectly makes Germans look cool. No?

I don't think Star Wars makes Germans look bad at all.
Bratwurst Boy 5 | 9,877
24 May 2010 #78
...just saying...

well, did you win either one?

Oh please...we are talking about HOLLYWOOD! They have no qualms to change other's peoples history either...a tiny bit...now and then...
pawian 161 | 9,971
12 Oct 2019 #79
The anti- Polish camps campaign run by Polish media/diplomats etc seems to bear positive fruit - the cases when foreign sources use the term are becoming rarer and rarer each year.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
12 Oct 2019 #80
Great news.
About time too.
Lyzko 24 | 6,792
13 Oct 2019 #81
Once and for all, leave us refute this particular slander and be clear: They were GERMAN death camps, on Polish occupied soil!! Period. It was the Nazis who were the progenitors of mass depopulation through racial "purification", not the Poles.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
13 Oct 2019 #82
Once and for all, leave us refute this particular slander and be clear: They were GERMAN death camps

Totally.

It was the Nazis who were the progenitors of mass depopulation

But you slipped up here mate.
Not Nazis.
Germans.
mafketis 21 | 7,466
13 Oct 2019 #83
who were nazis, the overwhelming majority of Germans before 1935 or so and after 1944 would be repulsed and horrified by death camps

Insisting on always saying GERMAN is bein like Crow with his endless and pointles Balkan nonsense.

Do you never want peace or good relations with Germany? Then keep on and stay in the UK and leave the good people of Poland and Germany out of your ethnic hatred.
Rich Mazur 4 | 3,760
13 Oct 2019 #84
who were nazis, the overwhelming majority of Germans before 1935

They were as overwhelming as NAZIs as Poles were overwhelming as communists. How many Germans smiled when Hitler was on the radio because they were scared to death not to? How many Americans supported that sick "police action" in Vietnam? Try 70%! But we don't discuss their party affiliations.

Who nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The Americans or the Democrats?
Milo is spot on. Germany owns it, line and hook. That "bad Germans" and "good Germans" play is just a ploy to whitewash and appease.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
13 Oct 2019 #85
They do.
Germany, the country needs to live with that.
Young Germans do not have personal guilt but have to accept the guilt of their country 's recent history.
TheOther 5 | 3,873
13 Oct 2019 #86
accept the guilt

IMHO, they don't need to accept guilt for crimes that their great grandparents committed. It's more than enough that they know about the recent history of their country (every German I've ever met did) and that they make sure that something like the Nazis will never happen again. Other countries should learn from that historic lesson, too, by the way. Not only the Germans.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
13 Oct 2019 #87
and that they make sure that something like the Nazis will never happen again

I am not as sure as you are that Germans have truly learnt that lesson yet.
TheOther 5 | 3,873
13 Oct 2019 #88
Well, what's going on with the AfD in East Germany worries me a little bit, to be honest, but take a close look at far right movements in other countries and you will notice the similarities immediately. The brown swamp in Germany and elsewhere only got emboldened after Trump made it fashionable again to be "conservative" to the extreme.
mafketis 21 | 7,466
13 Oct 2019 #89
not as sure as you are that Germans have truly learnt that lesson yet.

And what do you know about modern Germany? Can you read or speak German? Do you live in Poland?

The only reasonable approach in accordance with your position is unremitting hostility to Germany and German citizens. Normal diplomatic relations are impossible with a country that you sincerely believe wants to invade and enslave you.

Is that what you want? Nutso.
Miloslaw 6 | 2,560
14 Oct 2019 #90
And what do you know about modern Germany?

Only history.
Which has a nasty tendency to repeat itself.


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