Poles - the Nation of Liars?

Poland is in the middle of the scale. Seems to be the least corrupted in the region.

There is absolutely no backpedaling, it is apparent from your comments, you have very little knowledge of reality in Poland.

A google search for corruption canada shows 113,000,000 hits and it comes number 6 for corruption at transparency.org yet corruption UK also gets 113,000,000 hits and comes in at number 20 at transparency.org.

You can share with us your own knowledge based on your experience gained by living in Poland :)


I must say that I quite agree with those data.

No? First you advised her to google the numbers, and when provided ... you didn't like them much. So don't try to change the subject to me. Admit that your patronizing backfired if you have any cojones.

Actually I suggested Magda go to google to find examples of corruption in Poland as there are many.

then,


I am sorry but if you believe the number of hits in google is an accurate statistic for corruption figures in Poland more fool you my friend, I would be more inclined to believe the quantitative analysis.

Jadis, a.k. boletus, grow up to Polish reality and stop clinging at straws...

Using big words is not going to change the fact that you failed to provide any hard evidence of Polish propensity for lying, cheating and corruption which would be specific to that nation. You can try to spin it any way you wish and it will still be a failure. Your car-salesman examples were pathetic.


I'm not boletus. And don't need to know Polish reality at all. The hard fact is that Poles are nothing special when it comes to cheating.

Are you kamikaze??

Why dont you just use your normal screen name?

That doesn't actually mean much. Only that two words appear in the same article. If you try to attribute a meaning to that, it's more likely to be that some societies are more concerned about it than others.


I thought so too. Same writing style.

that organization move out of Poland recently, which I cannot understand.

In general, corruption in Poland is still very much alive.

Latest news on corruption in Poland in the Soccer Association:

nj.com/newsflash/index.ssf/story/polands-soccer-head-faces-investigation/9e961ccb46814aff99299b3ccc29677d
there is more, i just have to do a little research.

Health care:
thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)17436-9/fulltext
oops, another one:
globalpost.com/dispatch/poland/091020/graveyard-talks-and-secret-agencies

She even threw in a dummy, how sly is that? Lying, dishonest, cheating yep Bzib has it all - and she's Polish.



Heres a good example of a Polish person blatantly lying:

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This was simply a criticism of the following Wedle's own advice:


I have just shown how weak his own advice was: he could apply it to any country in the world, including Haiti, or whatever. No, I did not care for actual google numbers. They just looked funny in that context, and they still are.

And nothing changes the fact that he still insistently and foolishly clings to the unfair name of the topic of this thread, which is not even being supported by the OP any more. I still say, this is a stupid generalization, and none of my friends and family deserves this. I thought I clearly explained it twice before.

it is, but not all Poles fall into that category, so stop taking it personally.

Poles are often dishonest in the Western way of thinking. Westerners are usually into your face telling you what they think. Poles on the other hand often don't and are rather more passive aggressive. That applies to business as well as personal life.

The difference is that Poles lying less effectively get caught easier.They do not care much about getting caught.Other nations lie as much and even more but Italians have upgraded it to a master art.Germans when they lie they can be rather persuasive by imposing authority.

cba.gov.pl/portal/pl/48/1519/Indeks_Percepcji_Korupcji_2011.html

here is a link from the official CBA site (Polish anti corruption agency), which is in Polish.

The link you have provided is an interpretation of the data from Transparacy provided earlier by Wedle. Poland is in the middle of that scale, and seems to be "cleanest" in the region (cleaner even than Czech Rep.)

They say there, that it's not a way of messure the real corruption scale in any country, but it's just shows how corruption is perceived by people who live in those countries (citizens of a country declares what's theit feeling about scale of the corruption). That means that Canadians or Swedes simply doesn't believe that corruption exist in they countries on larger scale while Russians believe that corruption is rife in their country. Probably that's the reason I had agreed with the rank earlier ;)

Thanks for that link aphro, I think boletus will use it against Wedle ;)

thanks for your reply. I can see that you are very good at selective reading. Keep up the good work then. Boletus is smart enough to use what he wants. What's with the winking - do you have something in your eye? ;).

So you are saying that Poland has only "perceived" corruption? Can you elaborate please? I would love to see some reasoning on your part.

No, I don't.
Please don't overinterpret my comment. The only think which I said that is that survey doesn't messure the scale of corruption but just shows how it is preceived. It could be that Poles (or Swedes, or Canadians etc) are over optimistic in regards of corruption as well as too pesimistic or spot on.


What's selective in my reading? Please show me!
Jak bykiem pisze w tym tekście, że indeks ten nie odzwierciedla skali korupcji w danym kraju tylko pokazuje na jaką skalę korupcję wyceniają mieszkańcy danych państw.

Actually I can tell you that it is your reading which is selective (or even twisting the facts). I've written 2 times that:

if you read other links on that side you will see the reports on corruption in Poland. I understand that corruption has to fall into the perceived since in order not to be perceived it has to be proved- that is the nature of corruption.

However, most Poles agree that Poland is a corrupt country because they see it with their own eyes, yet they keep quiet about it when it comes to reporting it. I wonder why?


no pisze, czytalam.

I haven't done it because I've read only the note in your link.

Now, let's go slightly OT for a second. This is another nice generalisation, but I am confused because in other threads on this forum it has been consistently claimed that the Polish are too direct and in your face (i.e. "rude"), while Westerners are much more circumspect and polite. You can't have it all, you know. I think Southern is absolutely right when he says:


and I would like to add the the English (dunno about the British as a whole) are also good at the lying game, and are perceived by foreigners as slippery and evasive, saying "yes" when they mean "maybe" and "maybe" when they mean "when hell freezes over". ;-)

What did you think of my example Magda, of a Polish moderator lying? I dont know of any modertaors that have lied, also Torq is a liar, i have prrof of that aswell.

How childish can you get? You want me to believe that only a Polish mod would ever lie. You don't know of any (other) mods who have lied - that's only because you did not catch them red-handed. Jeez. Next, you'll be telling us that YOU have never lied. Well, I have, and all of us have. Nothing to be proud of, but hey, it's the human condition, get over it. And my question still remains unanswered - how can anyone prove that lying and cheating are rife in Poland, are somehow in the Polish blood, so to speak?

In Poland corruption is rife. I've never denied it, but sometimes I feel like foreigners on this board are exaggerating a bit.
I'm giving up this discussion.

Jadis, you are so on the back foot here.

Give me examples of Poland being the most honest nation in Europe for a start, we won't go global at this stage - just Europe only?


My quote was: jadis, a.k, boletus not jadis a.k.a boletus, seems you are a bit paranoid jadis old boy - what are you hiding?


It is what it is a.k, so accept it, if you wish to discuss dishonesty in any other country open a new thread, this thread is Poland specific, no matter how much you, boletus, magda and jadis squirm like slippery pigs, It is what it is and that is fact.

well, it is an interesting read from the official government Polish site.


Have not seen that yet.


fine with me, I am just warming up:)

It is english humor.

Nobody here claims that Poland is the most honest nation in Europe. Don't try to manipulate us ;-p


I am afraid it's you doing the squirming. You still haven't provided a single example of Polish dishonesty from your personal experience, an example which would prove once and for all that's it's really typical of Poland.

The most honest are Swiss.They simply refuse to tell anything.

Southern, you have just gained a new admirer. To the point and funny! :-)