Poles - the Nation of Liars?

Magda thank you for bringing this to my attention, I was referring to the numbers of those arrested apologies, my mistake.

Accepted :-)

You know, I'm not going to go on hearsay and take it as given. People have agendas in all walks of life so I'm not going to make the mistake of pulling sth from a source and trying to neatly fit it into my way of thinking. Even if I saw corruption, lies and deceit here, I'd always try and fit it into the broader picture by putting it into context. I do think there was cheating at the recent KSW 17 event. For me, James Thompson won the fight against Pudzianowski and I think sb told the judges to give it to Pudzian, then make it a 'no contest' to make Polish judges look fair by reviewing their decision. I don't buy it. Context? Cheating exists in some establishments for sure but there was a huge backlash by POLISH fans of MMA. Please separate the people from the establishment. Look who has more to gain by lying.

Grubas, you are only further proving what I have previously stated, thank you for the confirmation.


I trust everyone until they prove they are not trustworthy.

Its a figure of speech seanus, i didn't mean it literally you numpty

So based on what I understand from your example, cheating/dishonesty/corruption in Poland only exists in the establishment and not at street level. Seanus, I would disagree with this, I believe that dishonesty is so rife in Poland ( 2011) at all levels,there needs to be a re-education program. I also believe that each and every foreigner who is a guest of Poland who comes into contact with cheating/dishonesty/corruption in Poland should not get involved, even if they lose business.

You know who else liked the idea of "re-education"?

Ohh Boze not that one again. Firstly you and your brother live in America so have some what adopted that mentality and secondly and more importantly, its friggen obvious we can all generalize. For example Scottish people are tight, not all but many are. Germans are efficient not all but many are, the Irish like to drink not all but many do. I mean you wouldn't stereotypically expect a Nigerian to be able to perform SEO on a web site but ask them about scamming techniques and you'll be alright.

General trends proven to be associated with certain nations. You and your brother analogy proves nothing.

And then you are surprised you got stiffed?Trusting no one until they prove to be trustworthy is the way to go.Saves you money and/or frustration.

Re-education is valued by many, I am not a guessing or gambling man, Magda please do tell.

Stalin and Mao, to name just the two that immediately spring to mind...

Scottish people WERE tight, WB. It's a historical thing.

The point is Poles themselves are critical of those that lie. If anything, the fault lies in Poles that are indifferent and turn a blind eye but that is changing a bit too.

12 - so what ?

Grubas, I would much prefer to get up in the morning and believe it is going to be a great day, then deal with all that life throws at me. Than get up in the morning convinced it is going to be a **** day thinking everyone I come into contact with is trying to shaft me. There are many good people out there my judgement is not clouded by the bad eggs.

Because he NEVER experienced any cheating/dishonesty/corruption before, of course. Poland is degrading his pure/innocent soul. I totally buy this notion.

I can go with that, Seanus. I am in agreement


This is exactly what I expected you to say Magda, I know you are smarter than that.

What must be borne in mind is that, most of the time, Poles who work in administrative centres are sticklers for procedure and have limited room to lie. I'm grateful to one who fitted the bill to a tee but she helped me A LOT by expediting my wedding. No lies, no deceit. Some Poles may opt for shortcuts but out and out lies? I really haven't come across that much at all.

My bro lives in Poland.As for me, living in the US did not change my way of thinking a bit.Well, maybe since I am exposed to all kinds of nationalities (I live in a specific resort area) it did teach me that people differ and one can not generalize nor sterotype about ANY nationality.

Jadis, once again you are proving the type of individual you are, I am open with my opinions and you need to ridicule.The measure of a man is what he has achieved in life, you really need to do more.

I used to think that before I lived in Russia.


Russia.
Now I live in a civilzed country.
You are so right, Wedle. Most people are OK. The crooks and bastards will always be with us but with a little street smarts and goodwill most of us rub along with our fellow man just fine.

Its a personal belief Bzib in order to try and clean up a society, its a steep slope to climb. You left that country how many years ago? But yet the mentality still lies deep within you. YOU are the worst ambassador for your country.


Its hard being you isnt it, with all that pent up anger and sneakiness. Whats up all that mod agreeing with each other action on ATP not satisfying the beast? Friggen mercy shagger, gold digger what ever you want to call it.

Your patronizing/immature attitude deserves nothing else.

Says the mature lady that mercy shagged a rich American and left Poland about 15 years ago, yeah funny that. She only shows up to defend the nation she left behind 4000 miles and fifteen years ago. NICE.

You bitter/twisted attitude is an embarasment to the passport you hold and the place you once called home. Misery loves company and that is your motivation for visiting PF.

Wedle, are you a preacher by occupation? It seems that you feel you are on some mission here.
You're one of the posters here (there are a few) who always remind me of my mother-in-law. Whenever she comes to visit, I get plenty of good advice and useful comments. She knows best what I need and what I don't need, what I should buy, where and for how much, what colour I should paint my walls, what hours I should work and what time to have dinner. She simply knows it all and she's always ready to point out any faults and imperfections. Of course, she's doing it for my own good.

Need I add that I've never asked her for advice and that every time she opens her mouth I feel like pushing her out of my window?

And it really doesn't matter that she might sometimes be right and that I've thought of throwing away this old armchair myself. She's deeply convinced that I'd never do anything right without her enlightened guidance.

Yes. It's both condescending and patronizing. And highly infuriating.
So don't be surprised that you get the sort of reaction you do. It's really not about the size of corruption in Poland or elsewhere. It's about your attitude.

I'm sure if you came here and told us a story of how you've been cheated or lied to, you'd get a lot of compassion, understanding and practical advice. But you won't get any of it coming to the forum as the sole righteous man in the whole country, whose moral duty is to point out all the filth in our everyday life. You haven't been hired as an Anderson consultant so let the Poles take care of it themselves.

Nice to see we are on the same page. Teffle


Apologies, sometime you can get sucked into the abyss.


Listen to your mother in law, she knows best, she sees you from a distance.

In respect of my attitude it is spot on, I don't suffer fools and liars gladly.

Wrocław, any stories? I find that many Poles are straight up. Many say that Russians tend to be devious liars more but I care not to comment on that as I don't really know either way.

Too bad you're so full of yourself. What Strzyga said was very true, and basically nothing remains to be said beyond that.

Magda, as a defender of all things Polish from a distance, I understand and respect your stance, being out of Poland for over 6/7 years you can get a little lost in daily lives of those of us that live and operate our business's on a daily basis in Poland. Once you are at distance, you are at distance, you are no longer part of what goes on in PL, you operate your trade in the UK, you may be Polish at heart, but you are UK occupied on a daily basis. So please don't patronize us that we don't understand/realise Poland circa 2011. We are living it, not talking it, not distant to it.