Poles - the Nation of Liars?

then you should have started your thread with that line..

Polish issues that drive me nuts.. the thread is a open invitation for argument
because your accusing poles of being liars..

I can say that I honestly dont know. I cant comment on the rest, but my cousins
live there and one thing she did mention was the health care issues.. shes up in
age so I can see where concern is when it comes to needing medical attention and
how far it is taken before someone actually administers care..

and Im not saying all doctors are like this, after all I am sure they teach ethics and
how doctors should act vs real life and what goes on behind the scenes.. its sad
that this does occur.

Here we go Slick:


Dental treatment is expensive in any country just a little less expensive in Poland. As you stated in a previous post you dont need to bribe any medical persons in the private sector.


Not the case at all, bribes are taken in all sectors including governamt. I did it!


I'll be gone soon enough as soon as I take what i'm owed... 1,000.000 PLN maybe?


True but one day hopefully withn the next five years you will learn.


Yup, youre damn right. Follow suite its the EU way, communism is gone now its OK you can move on.


Absolutely, hey menn and how long?


A Ha, yes but i just got back from a meeting with a bunch of lying Polish People. had it been any thing different then maybe the thread would have been different.

Dont worry the next one will be hopefully - Poles my best friends - or maybe - Poles the best cooks in the World!!

We shall see.

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they do lie though

So do British people. Maybe the difference is Polish people don't do it very well but British people have had more practise at it and you can't tell as well, that they are lying ?

My point is most member's of the human race lie at some point in their life, what the heck has Race got to do with it......huh !

The title of the thread is a lie.

I wish it was


Of course we all lie from time to time, all i can say lady is live in Poland for a bit and get to know the mentality and then make a decision, im not making this up.

I have to agree there.


*chuckles*


HAHAHA

We have the same regulation in Ontario, and I find it useful and I think it makes everybody safer. Some vehicles merge with the background easier than others, so sometimes you may see them when it's too late.

Now, what do headlights have to do with lying again?

Maybe because you can spot a liar when they are driving......

i'm wondering what cross section of polish people wroclaw boy is frequenting among and in which areas of the country. Maybe it's just the kind of people he does business with, or maybe there's something about him that inspires people to lie, perhaps. Let's all lie to wroclaw boy whether we are polish or not, perhaps he'll change his tune. Hey wroclaw boy, i'm a 3 time olympian bobsled champion!


great point!

- Wroclaw Boy appears to me a kind of chauvinistic Brit. He defends his nationalistic convictions by putting down the Poles. It's unfortunate indeed. (Many other folks from so-called Western Europe seem to function exactly the same - the relict of the Cold War stereotyping and hate propaganda, still carried on by many media psychopaths). Now, it's a fact that there are many Brits who treat fairly Polish people residing in Britain, but there are also scores of those who dupe them and exploit without mercy, not to mention crude insults, beatings, and killings. There are countless press reports in Poland and statements by Poles on Polish chat sites about this. Should we Poles, therefore, assume that ALL Brits, or even the majority of them, are nation of liars, exploiters, racists and killers? Of course not. By the way, are any Brits residing in Poland treated even one thousandth as bad as some Poles residing in Britain?

Having lived here for 5 years i have to agree with Wroclaw Boy, seems to me that in Poland it is seen as a weakness to admit you were wrong or say sorry and so people just lie to cover up.

Puzzler posted some very good points, i am waiting for the reply.


i don't know about that one being only specific to poles. There's been some forum debates where i've been tenacious with my points. Now although I am right (of course right?), those people i was debating points with kept up their futile arguements. My point being that if i had been more diplomatic then my counterparts may have been less defensive. your experiences are largely your doing.

For sure it's not just a Polish trait, but having lived and worked elsewhere and then moved to Poland I've found the level of dishonesty and lying here quite phenomenal, mainly when you have to deal with a stranger.

Some of the other threads suggest that it happens with business deals.

I've been here for quite some time and I've never had a problem.

well i guess i really can't argue with your experiences now can i. I am curious though and i hope you won't mind my asking where you stayed. hmmm, maybe i've just come to accept things, maybe i'm the one with blinders on, hmmmm.

Yes I lost a lot of money in a business deal, I never imagined the lengths someone would go to con you and yet tell you to your face they had done nothing wrong.

I know of one unfortunate expat who's Polish business partner gave him a large pile of papers that he had to sign, as he didn't speak Polish he didn't notice that one of the papers slipped in was to relinquish his half of the business for nothing. He signed it not realising and when he came to work the next day he was barred from the building.


Warsaw

That's what I think. He makes bad business decisions.

this happens a lot at my uni. the international office has annyoing habit of losing handed-in work and then firmly denying having ever received it. so often has it happened during my 2 years there that the place was nicknamed 'the black hole of calcuta'. it wasn't really the fact that they lost my numerous assignment that bothered me, rather it was the their attitude - the 'they are all just silly foreigners after all' treatment and lying straight in your face. and have i ever heard a word of apologies whenever the work in question had been found? guess.

the issue was finally solved by introducing forms that need to be signed, stamped and received in 3 copies. lots of bureaucracy involved, but at least now you can shut their lying mouth with your proof.

oh, and i study in uk.

- I was born in Poland and visit the country and stay in it for long periods, and haven't seen any evidence justifying your sweeping generalisations. The behaviour of Poles in UK is also proof of their, actually, honesty and truthfulness. Many Brit employers highly value these traits in Poles. So how is it - have you made up your sweeping generalisation just to argue a bit? You know, generalisations should be backed by evidence. Have you got any, pal? I know numerous cases when Brits have lied to Poles shamelessly and conned them without mercy. Should I make sweeping pseudo-psychological and pseudo-sociological generalisations based on this fact?


- So you used this single case to base on it your sweeping generalisations about the Poles?

I wish such types as yourself didn't live in my country. And yes, if Poles are such a lying dishonest lot, why on earth you have been living 5 years in Poland?

You know, pal, you are the one here who appear to be dishonest and a liar.

a little touchy there Puzzler, 'the truth hurts' as they say

seriously mate, that's a foreigner4 goes to jail for killing situation for me, how did he not end the other guy's life. I can't get it, the situation you just spelled out is a green light to end another man's days from my perspective.


That says a lot. I've been dealing with a lady from Warsaw for the past 2 weeks and the thing that struck me about her was how full of crap she is. I can only say that i get the distinct impression she is lying or acting each and every time we talk, and she is completely fluent in english (i mean completely)- maybe it's a warsaw thing?

The folks i'm close to are all dimes, and i'm glad i know them.


yeah that was my hunch but unless he gives any more info then we can't know for sure. Ahhh but that's when i should stop, we're on the intraweb, can we ever know for sure?

Maybe he doesn't like you...

All humans lies
OVER AND OUT!!

Just a work of advice if you dealing with offices,baanks red tape in Poland "nie posmarujesz nie pojedziesz " ask your native polish what it means

- Maybe it was so during communism, but today doesn't seem to be the case. I have never had any experience of this sort in new Poland. Have you, Gosiaa from sydney? If so, share it wih us, please.

:)

There is nothing compared to western hypocrisy.Poles are simply not skilled to lie tactfully.Should they learn?

Absolutely, they just lie a lot more in Poland.

Perhaps it's the individual personality or the person they lie to, ever considered that!!!!

Yeh I did, but when other people around my business activities report the same issues i had to torpedo that notion.

Many people lie to get ahead, more important is whether the lies are white or black. I've encountered remarkable honesty here