Poles - the Nation of Liars?

Nice to hear from you again.


Seperate fortunes documents
No rhd car insurance
Notaries
Visa applications
Registering a property in the title deeds register
stamping all documentation
cues in almost every office
lack of information
faulse information
foreigners not being able to buy a house without a registration card
bribing doctors

Thats just for starters.

wroclaw... mate help is on the way ....Joos are coming back to Poland :)


OMG...this is Poland circa 1965.... line up for meat and karp good ole days ;) hahaha

Speaking of "Mentality" , why do you insult? If Poles are as bad as you say why come in here and be around us? Carol

there's nothing wrong with blowing off some steam but yeah it could have been a lil more diplomatic.

Too bad i've 1st hand experience with at least one of those things... Ahh if only i'd known to bribe that doctor though, my arm would've actually been put in a cast (plaster) instead of the "try not to move it" treatment.

I have not been to Poland for many years, my wife does not allow me to go with her because I am always complaining. I do not know about lying but they will swindle you if they can-be very very careful indeed. They are not clever enough to lye through multi million pound contracts but the women are very clever in small ways of using you and then dropping you. You make an appointment to meet outside the local theater at 8.00p.m. and she does not turn up and lets you down. The next day, by coincidence, you meet the same girl on a bus the next morning and you ask why she did not turn up. 'Oh, sorry, I thought you meant the cinema and I did wait for you but at 8.00a.m. in the morning!! One small lie after another with them. I give up and have no time for Polish rubbish anymore.

You will soon learn that you are expected to pay for everything in Poland-and that includes bribes in hospitals. Ask yourself this question, why do Polish engineers and doctors prefer to work in England cleaning Tesco floors rather than a return life to Poland? Answer-everything here, including education and medicine, is free.

Good for her.....now, if she could only figure out how to stop you from posting on PF....

the arm was 3-4 years ago. aren't you embellishing the situation a lil bit though? I met a lot of poles who were really doing well with fairly decent (better than mine) jobs in London, at least one wonderful lady went from being a nurse in Poland to Ireland.

..engineers and doctors cleaning tesco floors.....hmmm, i know no facts but this seems a lil far fetched.

But yeah the avg salary is low in Poland

*edited "the arm"*

historically poland has had to fight for its identity and independence. the polish nation having been promised so many things which have never materialised.-after the end of communistic rule-eventual " freedom" in a democracy-this is difficulty to adjust to. my father had to " lie "to stay alive during the war-"trust" no-one-its hard to deal honesty and truth-when all you have know is the lies of others. i do not think they are a nation of liars-but struggling to accept honesty-they think you are lying to them!!! now with EU status -and more freedom and choice-like being let loose in a candy store-gona grab it while you can and you aint gona let anyone take it from you!!!!. its they insecurity which is the problem.

I felt more free in Poland than in any western european country where even the dogs of the natives have more rights than foreigners.In Poland you do not experience fat,old women screaming in train to find their seat,no dog puts his nose on your trousers while you sit in bus,no cyclist passes in high speed 2 cm next to you,coming from behind and blaming,nobody smokes and lets his smoke on your face,nobody pushes you all the time in every place,no amputee will pass over your feet to rush into bus,generally nobody annoys you.

I call this civilization.

he, he interesting observation S

LMAO HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA , polish people as free as westerners HAHAHAHAHAHA.

Yes. Look behind you noimmigration to see if there's no MI6 agent pointing a gun at you ;)

grumpy old sod that you are, why would anyone want to take you on a holiday anywhere ha ha

maybe that is why your wife really doesnt take you to Poland ha ha trying to date chicks behind her back.

still waiting for the examples of those *not so sensible POLOCIES spelled
Policy in real life.

Poland is a woman.Who disagrees?

polocies must be Polish policies

;)

Having to bribe people in the medical industry
Having to bribe driving test examiners
No rhd car insurance
Foreigners requiring a permit to buy property
the whole stamping documents procedure
Property register
having to have car lights on 24/7 all year round
having to personally visit every utility company with the previous owner of a property to swith the bills, why cant we simply post documents
Baseing unbaseing and the rights of a based individual

Ill continue a bit later when i have more time.


I always laugh when someone tries to be smart and correct a spelling mistake, that really is petty.

I think you mean: that is really pretty.

yes it is problem ...


you dont have to ... I think that 99% pass without bribe ... and I think that last time it isnt so easy as it was in 90s.


I think you can buy flat ... there is porblem with land ... in my opinion it is really good, when we will be richer we will give permition.


It seams that it will change


costs of property register are lower than in USA and most of EU countries.


it is safer

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Sorry, I think I meant:

That is really Mickey Mouse.

I know all about that but I live here and still need a permit. Its fair enough putting restrictions on certain purchases to try and avoid the locals being priced out of the market.

Did anybody force you to give a bribe? You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there.


What is wrong with that?


Makes driving little more safer, wouldn't you agree?


Did anybody ask you to gave a bribe? If they did, you should have notified the police.


What "stamping documents procedure" you have in mind? Be more specific.


???


Perhaps to prevent any possible manipulations involving this procedure?


Hmmm, what is wrong with registering property?


Take a look at your own posts. You will find a lot of spelling mistakes.


Hardly reason to call entire nation liars.

Thats the whole point - dah.


Thats not the reason, im calling poles a nation of liars because they lie more so than any other nation ive ever known of. The above response is reply a to Patricia.


You could have gone to a private clinic and you wouldn't have to bribe anybody there. [/quote]
If you dont bribe you dont get the service, private clincs cost a fortune


there are no guarantees you will get the permit, Poles do not require a permit in my country and theres millions of them.


If it saves one life i suppose it is worth it. just seems a bit silly to have lights on in blazing sunshine and 30 degrees.


No I already drive, but many associates of mine are in the process of bribing their instructors. Couild be an explanation as to why there are so many deaths on the roads!!


You obviously havent done any paper work in Poland for a while. All documents need to be stamped or they are worthless. We stopped that around the 20's.


No other Western countries do it.


It can take upto 8 months meanwhile you are paying an extra interest rate. the registry office is full of cues with no one really knowing what they are doing. This should be a solicitors job. Oh and theres always a problem.

As for Baseing, all residents of Poland are required to have a base. If for some reason some person has been based at your property and then gets sent to prison or dissapears of the face of this earth for a while, he/she has the right to come back to his/her base and live there no questions asked. Removing this persons base is an erxtremely costly and lenghty process with again no guarantess of success at the end of it.

|I dont understand you ...

I know It would be great to buy land when there is 11% unemployment and earnings are still much lower than in other EU countries, so maybe I understand your flustration ... but we are really sory ;))) this busineess is for Poles, we negociated it with EU so it is OK your gov agreed ...

I can now see why. I was replying to Slick but hes been suspeneded and his post has been removed in the past 10 minutes.

I have to do some work but I'll be back a bit later.

Slightly backwards wouldnt you think...corrupt behaviour..hmmm not good...

Fortune? For instance: Why do some british come to Poland to get their teeth fixed? Is it because this service is so expensive? The point is that YOU as a wealthy british subject did not/do not have to bribe anybody unless you have chosen to do so.

Of course, corruption is everywhere, but it doesn't mean you can call entire nation liars because SOME doctors are corrupt.


That's because Polish law is different than british. If you do not like the Polish law, why can't you move out of Poland and go back to Britain where everything seems perfect and you wouldn't have to suffer under the oppression of Polish law anymore.


Just because other countries don't do it, doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

The whole point of your post was to prove that Poland is a corrupt country and Poles are liars. Now, you are telling me that some procedures that were clearly established to prevent manipulation and corruption are "no good" and should be abandoned because other countries don't have this kind of procedure. This makes no sense.


It just means this procedure should be changed. It does not prove your point that Poland is corrupt and Poles are liars.

thanks slick, but he is right, it was petty.. I was trying to get his attention to post
on my question... which he did. and discuss the issues bothering him about it..

the medical bribes I do agree on that needs to change. people shouldnt have to worry if they will face a life threatening situation if they dont pay up front or pay enough to

the physician that will be the ultimate caregiver in making sure this persons health
doesnt fail. to me this makes no sense.. so I do agree on that one.

Now hang on a minute slick, thats was not the purpose at all. Although Poland is a corrupt country never the less. My GF bribed a Police Officer on my first trip wit a 100 PLN.

No, what im trying to point out is that many a Pole lie, albeit a white or a big dirty balck lie they do lie, now of course all people lie regardless of their nation but.... Poles do lie quite often. Poles them selves will not admit this as it really is a part of every day life but put them out of touch for a few months and take them out of that whole life and they start to realise that lying does not have to be a part of every day life. I really dont want to get torn into an argument on this subject unless i really have to. And if need be I will rant on for a while proving my point.

Why did you get suspended?

Lets get one thing straight I like Poland i live here for petes sake, but...... there are issues I have to endore which drive me positively nuts!!