Why are Muslims seen as a deterrent to Poland?

Wow, using the deaths of 22 innocent men, women and children in an attack targeted at children to score petty points against one's internet opponents. Even by your standards that is utterly sickening, Bieggers. Quite possibly a new low for PF.

Which didn't even work.


I don't think that outspokenly insecure xenophobes actually have any boundaries or standards of decency.

And in Manchester, things go on as they always have.

Repeating the same lie again Jon ? I answered you and others on this topic several weeks ago and you and your friends couldn't think of a response. Repeating the claim again after several weeks is pretty pathetic.

There is no direct comparison between the IRA and Islamic extremism and I would like everyone who reads this thread to understand that. The IRA were politically motivated. Terrorism at this time was committed by people who happened to be Catholic or Protestant. Islamic extremism and the acts of terrorism they commit are done because those people follow Islam (albeit a twisted interpretation of it). Their love of Allah is their only motivation and they feel killing innocent people is Allah's will. Now show me where the IRA ever committed an atrocity in the name of Jesus Christ..........


Not every church and not every mosque are "reaching out in friendship" as you so poetically put it. The media in recent years paints the same narrative whenever we suffer at the hands of Islamic extremism so it's difficult to use mainstream media as the yardstick by which you can measure people's sentiment.

People who have less palatable views on the atrocity would probably not get any airtime as the networks wouldn't want to "offend" anyone.

Other news sources are reporting a rise in verbal abuse against Muslims in the immediate wake of the bombing. Even Muslim sources are admitting this so it's not all happy families over here Jon whatever you might say.


What on earth are you actually trying to say ??? Bieganski was saying that some muslims happily live in the UK for years yet still have a hatred towards the British way of life and he was then asking why would some people believe it would be any different in Poland. How was he using the death of the 22 victims from the Manchester bombing and why are you even trying to suggest that he was ???

The propoganda and spin coming from people like you and Jon makes me sick to the stomach at times.

I doubt anyone who lost a family member to a bombing my members of either of those tendencies would agree with you.


In Manchester, this has been happening since the bomb.


Fortunately only a minority of people are haters. The public response of Mancunians of all roots and religions demonstrates this.

Against one's political opponents, you know the ones RESPONSIBLE FOR THE POLICIES THAT MADE THE ATTACK POSSIBLE!

Not all Muslims support ISIS any more than not all Germans supported Hitler. Therefore, why punish the innocent along with the guilty?? It makes no sense.

It is truly nauseating. They can't even bring themselves to condemn this savage terrorist attack committed by a racist Muslim extremist who also failed to integrate and who deliberately injured and killed scores of innocents including Poles.

Nope, instead they trot out completely unrelated dust-covered stories about the IRA and complain how their own personal feelings are hurt when the pernicious effects of their multi-kulti pluralism are exposed for the world to see.

Some Poles live in Poland all their lives and still hate the Polish way of life, you can see them marching behind the banners of ONR, protesting against the tolerance and liberty that has long characterised most Poles and the Polish way of life.

Harry have you seen anyone of those tens if not hundred of thousands who join the Independence March blow up themselves? no? maybe they are not the same kind of people as muslims, ever considered this? even if as you claim they 'hate' the Polish way of life

We've already seen a couple of them trying to blow other people up (although in fairness one of them was trying to do that so he could blame it on Muslims not because he actually wanted to kill those people himself).

As Americans sometimes say "haters gonna hate". Every society has its inadequates.


Nope, just rip up paving stones and hurl them at innocent people.

So? What's the point? How does that help prevent another terrorist attack? Or are you one of those who feel that burying groups of little girls is a small price to pay for the glorious benefits of multiculturalism?

I heard of only one case of a real bomb - and it was a Korwin-Mikke supporter not an ONR supporter who was the culprit - fortunately nobody was hurt

if you mean Brunon K. case - there was no real bomb planted anywhere and the whole thing was engineered by ABW to quote Gazeta Wyborcza - Brunon Kwiecień winny organizowania zamachu na Sejm - uznał ostatecznie Sąd Apelacyjny w Krakowie. Ale równocześnie obniżył mu karę i wytknął, że agenci ABW podczas tajnej operacji przeciwko Kwietniowi sami w niektórych sytuacjach prowokowali go do działań., he got encouraged to blow up something from ABW operatives -

Poles are very intelligent people.

I very often strongly doubt it Crow

Not on this subject, I hope?

No, Maf! But when the good begin to mimic their enemies in the pursuit of good, then the good become evil and the heroes become the villains!

Killing is ALWAYS wrong, says the Bible, whether in a worthy cause or not; only G_d may take a life, only Humankind may try to save it:-)

Becasue they don' care about people being killed. They are the worst sort of fanatics.

So self frickin' defense is bad!? Naming the guilty is bad?! Then I am as evil a mofo as you have ever seen!

what according to you is an appropriate response to filth that consistently targets young females (I remind you that Manchester happened in the shadow of Rotherham).

The enemy could not be clearer about what they want - to destroy the future of the west.

Self defense is not always cut-and-dried either, Maf. Certain countries don't even acknowledge a self-defense law, such as Italy (if you recall that Amanda what's her face trial) and so again, it's wrong to kill, even in when it can't be helped! So long as we face up to that fact, we won't justify rampant killing aka manslaughter out of unbearable frustration!

In trying to save humanity, we risk losing our own. Killing another won't bring the cherished dead back to life.
:-)

So your'e in favor of letting killers just go on killing as in Egypt today where over 10 Christians were slaughtered... noted.

Killing simply makes martyrs of them; jail time without possibility of parole, makes them suffer. If they commit suicide along the road to their reflection and hopefully ultimate salvation, then so be it, as they forfeited "humanitarian" aide the very moment they decided for ideological reasons to take an innocent life.

As if that ever happened....

Happens all the time here, Maf, with dramatic regularity!

Not if you stuff them with a pig fat. That would work wonders. Things brass people refuse to do their job, should be repalced.

"Brass people"?? Write English, for heaven's sake!

Me tired Lzyko, you know what I meant. To humor you this time. people in top positions,authorities, decision makers, Top brass,.
Happy?

Aha, "top brass". Now THAT makes sense [finally]:-)

Don't be so defensive about your English. Both our second languages need help from time to time! Truth be told, you're not half bad at it either.

back on topic please

Well how the hell would YOU know if victims of the IRA believe the IRA and Islamic Extremism are motivated by the same thing ??? Are you on drugs Jon ?


Right-ok. So you are saying that EVERY church and mosque are "reaching out in friendship". I love your fast and easy way with the facts.


Correction. Only a minority of idiots will physically or verbally abuse muslims for the actions of a few. There are many more people who have had enough of Islamification but their views tend to be confined to the dinner table.

Message to admin. I respect the need for you to get involved when posts veer off topic but it's getting to a point where Jon, Harry and others are at times posting intentionally provocative comments just to get a kick out of it.

I only returned to this forum to try and balance their clearly-biased views but it's impossible to address every lie they trickle feed into your forum. There will come a time when people like myself will just walk away from the forum and leave it to become a heavily biased forum influenced by a small number of members who are intent on force feeding their message to PF members.

'Well' how the hell would YOU know otherwise...


Don't be silly. Read the post carefully before trying to twist a simple statement into a particularly weak "stwa man" argument, there's a good boy.


As far as anyone can see, your views very much tend to the side of the most vocal anti-Muslim posters here, Daily Mail style rants and seething anger.. Evidently, like an Islamist, you don't like to see an opposing view.