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Why Polish people should be proud of being Polish?


Seanus
27 Sep 2010 #121
The first to bring down communism, LOL. You clearly know nothing about global engineering.

Poland is not richer than Israel.

Last Christian nation to save Europe? What, you are much stronger than Spain?
Bzibzioh
27 Sep 2010 #122
The first to bring down communism, LOL. You clearly know nothing about global engineering.

So how was it, Seanie?
Bzibzioh
27 Sep 2010 #124
That easy? Why nobody tried this before then?
Seanus
27 Sep 2010 #125
Oh, they did. The timing was wrong, though.
Bzibzioh
27 Sep 2010 #126
Wanna share a secret with me: who were THEY with the wrong timing?
Seanus
27 Sep 2010 #127
I can't divulge that info, you have to try harder than that ;) ;)

Ask yourself how Wałęsa did it and how previous revolts and uprisings failed, e.g 1968 students
Bzibzioh
27 Sep 2010 #128
I'm asking you, since YOU ARE THE ONE WHO KNOWS!

Btw: There were no uprisings since WW2, only revolts. So was one in 1968.
Seanus
27 Sep 2010 #129
Ask yourself what uprising means, Bzibby. Anyway, I'm not gonna get into semantics.

Solidarity was controlled by communists so why would they shake off that which they are proponents of?? Read up on Petr Cibulka, a Czech journalist. He wrote on the underlying forces behind the demise of communism.
Polonius3
9 Feb 2011 #130
Merged: Polish and proud?

At the various Polish fests, fêtes and festivals held esp. in the warmer months across Polish America, in addition to the kiełbasa, gołąbki and pierogi circuit, there are the inevitable stalls selling ethnic novelties and bric-a-brac. These include T-shirts with such slogans as 'Polish & proud' and 'Kiss me, I'm Polish!'

That raises the question: If you are Polish, are you proud, and if so -- what of?
This is addressed to the Old World Poles on PF as well as world-wide Polonians of the Diaspora. Assorted poms, limeys, jocks, micks and other...

Idiotic racial slur removed
delphiandomine
9 Feb 2011 #131
Somehow, I doubt any of them (if actually Polish, which most of them aren't) would actually meet their obligations under Article 85, paragraph 1 of the Polish Constitution.

Let's be honest - 99% of the people visiting such kitsch events are American, not Polish. Perhaps they're Polacks, though.

Could be amusing to attend such a festival and find out just how many of them know how to pronounce their last name properly. Anyone "proud" of being Polish should be able to pronounce their name properly!
guesswho
9 Feb 2011 #132
Let's be honest - 99% of the people visiting such kitsch events are American

you mean Americans of Polish origin.
delphiandomine
9 Feb 2011 #133
Americans of dubious origin, more like.

It's highly unlikely, given Polish history over the last 1000 years that anyone can claim to be 100% Polish. Heck, Poland has only really been overwhelmingly Polish in the last 65 years. Before that? Forgettaboutit.
SeanBM
9 Feb 2011 #134
I noticed something similar in England, when I worked there.
Some Good English people try to celebrate St. Georges day, only to have the BNP crowd turn it into a racial xenophobic hate fest, which is exactly what good people want to avoid.

A bit different in this case as the OP is living it up in the U.S. but still the concept is similar.

It's nicer than when he calls you bog hoppers

I don't know, 'bog hopper' has a nice ring to it ;)
Des Essientes
9 Feb 2011 #135
If you are Polish, are you proud, and if so -- what of?

I am a Polish-American and I am very proud of my blond moustache.
chichimera
9 Feb 2011 #137
If you are Polish, are you proud, and if so -- what of?

Most of all I'm proud of the language because I know that generations of Poles risked their lives and personal freedom to maintain it. I laugh when someone tells me: don't speak Polish - I think: Who are you to tell me to not use the language that was paid for with blood?

That was the most pompous part :)

Apart from that I am proud of my nation's defiant rebelliousness against authorities. I am glad that Polish journalists and the pepole of media still have a bit of a sense of mission. No matter how aggressive a propaganda is, Polish journalists will still say what they think of it and more importantly - they will still think

I am proud that Polish people have a sense of honour and that they believe in not informing on others, and in the case when they do inform, they will at least try to keep it secret, because they realise it is an absolute disgrace.

I am proud because in Poland we still appreciate the taste of freedom. Unlike many western cultures where people live in psychological cages and stay totally unware of it.

There are a few other things as well, but these are the ones which come to mind first
delphiandomine
9 Feb 2011 #138
Apart from that I am proud of my nation's defiant rebelliousness against authorities.

What rebelliousness? About the only thing that Poland is rebelling against right now are the proposed cuts to the EU budget - and that's only because Poland has a vested interest in the budget being as high as possible.

Polish journalists will still say what they think of it and more importantly - they will still think

Sadly, Smolensk proved that to be utter nonsense. Journalists on all "sides" have been guilty of following the party line - there has been precious little thinking going on and too much following blind propoganda. Sadly, in Poland, the concept of "independent media" really doesn't exist here. Polish journalists are sadly of such low quality - even ones who have a real talent, like Monika Olejnik, have resorted to downright partisan behaviour at times.

they will at least try to keep it secret, because they realise it is an absolute disgrace.

Certainly isn't true in modern day Poland. People will happily stab others in the back - in fact, backstabbing is seen as something that must be done if you want to rise to the top of your profession. Incidentally, what's disgraceful about reporting illegal behaviour? Don't you think that people should be honour bound to do what's best for the country?

Unlike many western cultures where people live in psychological cages and stay totally unware of it.

Uh - I'd say that in Poland, people are as much in a psychological cage as anywhere else. How many times do we see people blaming history for their own inability to cope?

I don't care if there are Asians or Brits or Africans in Poland but don't say that they're the same as the indigenous peoples, it's insulting.

I wondered when your racist little head would pop up.

Do you really need it explained again about how ethnic "Poles" are more than likely a mix of nationalities and races?
chichimera
9 Feb 2011 #139
What rebelliousness?

I'm glad to know your opinion, yet I think I have lived amongst Poles long enough to know what I'm talking about.

the concept of "independent media" really doesn't exist here

you should really take a closer look at the British media. Here not only the concept of independent media, but even the concept of professional journalism hardly exists

what's disgraceful about reporting illegal behaviour

I wasn't talking about reporting a crime, but about reporting on your coleagues, workmates etc. If you have a sense of honour you should have the guts to speak to the colleague first, if you don't have the guts to speak to them, then you should shut up. Beacuse running to any sort of authority and reporting on your colleague's faults is what kids at school do, not grown-up men.

Obviously I am aware that it takes all sorts in any nation. I simply answered the thread, but you are perfectly free not to share my pride
Wroclaw
9 Feb 2011 #140
Beacuse running to any sort of authority and reporting on your colleague's faults is what kids at school do, not grown-up men.

you don't seem to have spent much time in the workplace
southern
9 Feb 2011 #141
Beacuse running to any sort of authority and reporting on your colleague's faults is what kids at school do, not grown-up men.

We call them ''nails.''Women constantly do that to gain the favor of the boss.
Polonius3
11 Feb 2011 #142
Things Poles/Polonians can be proud of:
-- Poles welcomed Jews and religious dissenters fleeing being burnt at the stake and other forms of persecution in the 'enlightened' West;
-- Poland was a bulwark of Christianity against invading pagan hordes at Legnica in the 13th century, at Vienna in the 17th century and at the gates of Warsaw in 1920 and brought and end to the enslavement of half of Europe in 1980-1989; will it also manage to resist the onslaught of today's aggressive, toxic, mind-polluting pop culture remains to be seen;

-- Poles never conquered and exploited the hapless people of overseas colonies the way the Brits, French and Spanish did;
-- Poles fought for 'Your freedom and ours' in defence of many nations including the USA, Haiti, Italy, Hungary, Britain and Holland;
-- In the Battle of Britain Polish aviators had a better kill record than the Brits who were presumably defending their own homeland;
-- Poles have largely remained true to their motto 'Polonia semper fidelis' and 'Bóg - Honor - Ojczyzna';
– Poland has more religious vocations per capita than most or all other European countries;
-- Poland has lower crime, abortion, suicide and divorce rates than many other countries.
– More Polish Americans per capita fought for America’s freedom in the First and Second World Wars than most other ethnic groups;
– Polish Americans have long enjoyed a reputation of a hard-working, law-abiding community that faithfully pays their taxes, keeps up their homes and keeps their kids out of trouble.

-- Poles and Polonians rank amongst the bravest and most hospitable people found anywhere.

Many more things could be cited, but that will have to do for staters!
jonni
11 Feb 2011 #143
-- Poles welcomed Jews and religious dissenters fleeing being burnt at the stake and other forms of persecution in the 'enlightened' West;

and then one of them comes out with crap like:

poms, limeys, jocks, micks and other...

will it also manage to resist the onslaught of today's aggressive, toxic, mind-polluting pop culture remains to be seen;

Have you ever actually lived in Poland? If so, when was the last time?

Quit the 'cut n' paste' and let's have some facts - when were you last there?
SeanBM
11 Feb 2011 #144
Things Poles/Polonians can be proud of:

There are a multitude of things Polish people could/should be proud of P3.
I just don't get you, why do you have to start off with xenophobic slurs, were you just trying to be provocative to stimulate your thread or are you just a douche, what gives man?
Bratwurst Boy
11 Feb 2011 #145
Things Poles/Polonians can be proud of:

Christianity and war mostly???
delphiandomine
11 Feb 2011 #146
-- Poles welcomed Jews and religious dissenters fleeing being burnt at the stake and other forms of persecution in the 'enlightened' West;

And then they started killing them and betraying them later.

and brought and end to the enslavement of half of Europe in 1980-1989

That was the Soviet Union that decided that, not Poland. I don't think Poland would have survived any invasion from the SU, somehow - not when there were plenty of Czechs, East Germans and Lithuanians willing to do the nasty.

-- Poles never conquered and exploited the hapless people of overseas colonies the way the Brits, French and Spanish did;

Ahem - do you need reminded about the annexation of Vilnius and other territories?

– More Polish Americans per capita fought for America’s freedom in the First and Second World Wars than most other ethnic groups;

Shame they're such racist scumbags. Then again, the fact that they were fighting for America rather than Poland during the World Wars....says it all.

-- Poles and Polonians rank amongst the bravest and most hospitable people found anywhere.

Brave? Would that include the cowardly act of killing defenceless Jews and Ukrainians and generally taking advantage of weakened countries to annex part of their territories?
jonni
11 Feb 2011 #147
Ahem - do you need reminded about the annexation of Vilnius and other territories?

Not to mention that during the age of empires Poland didn't exist as a legal or administrative entity. If they had, they'd doubtless have wanted their share - even Belgium and Denmark whined so much that in the end they got some colonies.

Plus of course the days when Poland's empire stretched as far as the Black Sea...
chichimera
11 Feb 2011 #148
I just don't get you, why do you have to start off with xenophobic slurs

true. I think this is the difficult part in patriotism generally - to stay away from trying to prove that one's nation is superior to the others. Patriotism is often poisoned by BNP/Młodzież Wszechpolska way of thinking.

Personally, I am convinced that it is possible to be proud of one's country and still stay respectful towards other countries. I have met people from all over the world and I love it when they tell me what they are proud of - and I think it's because I love my country in a positive way so I can relate to and understand what they feel when they talk about their national pride

It's like with personal relationships - we can choose the option of envying and hating others or we can choose the option of appreciation and learn from them. And the latter is much more beneficial for everyone :)
Des Essientes
11 Feb 2011 #149
Shame they're such racist scumbags.

Calling all Polish-Americans racist scumbags is a gross generalization for which you should apologize.

Not to mention that during the age of empires Poland didn't exist as a legal or administrative entity. If they had, they'd doubtless have wanted their share - even Belgium and Denmark whined so much that in the end they got some colonies.

Making Poland guilty of colonialism by counterfactual assumption is totally ridiculous you should apologize as well.
delphiandomine
11 Feb 2011 #150
Calling all Polish-Americans racist scumbags is a gross generalization for which you should apologize.

Okay, they're big racist Polack scumbags.

Better? The amount of racism on here from Polish-Americans is staggering - certainly, much more than can be seen from real Poles.

Making Poland guilty of colonialism by counterfactual assumption is totally ridiculous you should apologize as well.

Poland annexed quite a few territories and denied self-determination to quite a few people in the period 1918-1939. Sounds like colonialism to me.


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