Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun?

Well they do - and numerous outlets, including many mainstream, have written stories on this - along with university studies from University of Zurich

bbc.com/news/world-europe-42557828
Germany: Migrants 'may have fuelled violent crime rise'

dw.com/en/german-study-links-increased-crime-rate-to-migrant-arrivals/a-42006484
A new study suggested a link between an increase in reported violent crimes in Lower Saxony and a significant increase in migrant arrivals in the state.

infowars.com/bombshell-study-migrants-caused-92-violent-crime-increase-in-germany
Migrants are responsible for a 92% increase in reported violent crimes in Germany during 2015 and 2016, according to a university criminologist study. The study, carried out by criminologists at the Zurich University of Applied Sciences, researched the increase in violent crime in Germany over the past two years.

nytimes.com/2016/12/09/world/europe/refugees-arrest-turns-a-crime-into-national-news-and-debate-in-germany.html
Rejected asylum-seekers from countries considered safe were behind much of the rise

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/04/failed-asylum-seekers-blamed-rise-violent-crime-germany
But when the Freiburg police announced last Saturday that they had arrested an Afghan refugee for the crime, reaction was swift and bitter. The Facebook page of Freiburg's local newspaper was flooded with comments about "Rapefugees," suggesting that "such cases require special SHOWERS to be set up again."


No, it was because savages will be savages wherever they are. Ever hear of the saying 'you can take the girl out the trailer, but not the trailer out of the girl' well its the same with migrants - you can't take afghani/musli/etc rape culture, hatred of women, beliefs of Islamic supremacy, etc. out of the migrants. It is ingrained in them from a young age. These people come from lands where there's no highways and only dirt roads, no skyscrapers, no modern infrastructure, no equality between men and women, and even killing a person for leaving islam or because the girl lost her v-card before marriage is regarded as 'honorable'

And you think these kind of people are suddenly going to assimilate in modern European society and everything will be okay?


Because of the 2nd amendment. The founding fathers wrote this amendment so that citizens could defend themselves - including against the government. Americans don't want to repeal the 2nd amendment or get rid of guns - even the left wants to make the laws more strict but not repeal the second amendment. Americans are willing to accept certain individual sacrifices so that the populace as a whole has access to weapons and the 2nd amendment is protected.

Besides, this is about Poland's gun laws - not the US.

Back in the 1700s............time to revisit that piece of legislation I would say.

It's in the constitution, it would take a constitutional amendment to change and those aren't easy to pull off.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution

That piece of legislation has it's purpose yet today and don't think it doesn't.
The problem is Atch that the Liberals do not want to face the issue, they want our guns, all of them, that is their goal.

The problem all started back (Bill Clinton ?) when the Liberals said it "violated" the constitutional rights of the mentally ill to incarcerate them.
They claimed that it was inhumane.
The Conservatives (common sense) said, NO, if you turn them out on the streets they will be a threat to themselves as well as society.

We lost and the mental institutions were closed and the people were turned loose.
A lot of them ended up in prison or dead.
ALL these shootings have the same thing in common, The Shooter is connected with mental illness, on anti anxiety or anti depressants that have frightening side effects.

This problem doesn't happen with responsible Law Abiding Gun Owners so why should we be punished to have our Constitutional Rights (God given) taken away because the Liberals do not want to deal with the real issue.

The Liberals do not want to deal with the problem, they want ALL of our guns has become the real issue.
Well it just ain't gonna happen in our life time in America.

But they are all responsible law abiding owners up until the moment they pull into the school car park - we only find out they are nutcases post factum.

I think it will take a few decades in the US for change to come. In Poland thankfully all parties except the Kukiz morons agree that gun controls should not be loosened.

@Atch

Yes because they wanted Americans to be always able to protect themselves and resist tyranny. It was the same principle then as it is now. Besides, its up to americans to decide that. If you dont want to own a gun, dont.

Besides gun control is an abysmal failure and a lower rate of gun ownership does not correlate with decreased levels of crime. If it did, switzerland and czechy would have levels of crime equal to the the us. Guns are basically impossible to obtain legally in uk france etc yet that doesnt stop people from obtaining them and even if they cant and still want to kill people theyll find another way like religion of peace trucks and cultural enrichlent knives. Chicago had a ban on handguns up until recently amd was the last to have concealed carry. With liberals flawed logic of more guns equals more violence, wed have more crime. Yet the rates have dropped significantly from handguns were banned in the 90s. If more guns equaled more shootings then switzerland and czechy should have the same rates as places like mexico, that make it nesrly impossible to buy a gun legally and have stricter penalties for illegal guns than the us, yet switzerland and czechy have far lower rates of crime.

Although gun ownership is low in poland it is increasing with avout 5000 new registrations per year. Citizen militias have a long history in poland and are promoted by the government to supplement the army. Now you have college kids professionals laborers women rich poor peiple of all walks of life training to use firearms on the weekend and be prepared should poland face an jnvasion

Czech And Switzerland both have considerable gun controls compared to the US. France and the UK both have Wailoa gun crime than the US - as in fact does every other developed nation. So actually gonna control is a fantastic success if measured by reduction in lives lost.

And that's why in Poland there is never going to be free access to guns.

By the way, I don't know any professionals who are training to use firearms. The only people who might be interested in that are not jobs wearing what right wing T-shirts. With Macierewicz out of the way i think the idea of his weekend toy soldiers will quietly be disbanded.

Wrong again, mentally ill people are not responsible, especially with access to any kind of weapon.


Wrong again, all of these school shooters (only one this year in America) have had prior dealings with mental illness.
Their doctors don't put them on anti depressants and anti anxiety medication because their brain is working normal.
cms, you obviously are a gun control advocate but remember that all gun control advocates have one thing in common.......... 'They hate individual freedom'.

Can anyone explain to me how that mentally unstable guy had access to guns?

If gun control is such a fantastic success, then why are Somalis throwing hand grenades and shooting kids in Sweden because they don't know how to aim for the people they intend? Why did over 100 people die in France is their gun control is working so well in just one incident alone? Why was Charlie Hebdo and a bunch of the staff shot? Why are there constantly shootings in the suburbs of Paris, Marseille, Malmo, etc? Why is it so easy to get a gun in a no-go zone like Malmo or Molenbeek? Yeah, gun control is realllly working in western Europe.. except its the migrants that are primarily skirting the so called gun control. If someone wants to find a gun, they will - plain and simple. And even if they can't they'll find another way to kill a person if they're set on it. When migrants can't culturally enrich Europeans with guns, they resort to religion of peace trucks, 72 virgin vests, and kuffar slicers.

Compare UK and France to European nations with high rates of ownership - Czechy and Switzerland. Both have lower rates of violent crimes than UK and France yet have far higher rates of gun ownership. Now why is that? Perhaps its because higher rates of gun ownership do not automatically equate to more violent crime? Because that's what the data shows in numerous countries - but liberals fall back on the US yet fail to acknowledge the numerous other countries that have hardly any violent crime yet tons of LEGAL guns in private hands.

reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-france/france-sends-police-as-migrant-gangs-clash-in-calais-idUSKBN1FM1O7
'after gang rivalries erupted into a brawl that left five migrants suffering serious gunshot injuries.'

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_Sweden
'There were over 30 explosions reported in the Swedish (aka no go) city of Malmö alone by August 2015' Oh I thought gun control is supposed to be working in Sweden? You don't hear of kids being blown up by grenades in Czechy, Switzerland, Serbia, etc.


Actually, it's being increased. There's around 50-70k people volunteering and participating - with more expected and more money being earmarked to help provide weapons, training, vehicles, etc. These militias along with border guard help prevent the raping and pillaging on Polish lands and keep law and order, and deter invaders whether they be Russians or migrants.

You just hit the nail on the head kaprys.
President Trump wants to know too.
All these agencies from mental councilors and agencies, to the doctors who prescribe these drugs with possible adverse side effects, the pharmacies that sell these drugs, school teachers who have seen violent behavior, police arrest records, court documents showing aggressive behavior all have to be tied together for a back ground check before anyone should be allowed to purchase or be in possession of a firearm or any other weapon.

This is what President Trump is now trying to coordinate.
AND......I am all in favor of it.

Simply measure the number of incidents, injuries and fatalities - the US is multiple times higher than any other OECD nation. Why might that be, because they have no controls.

All of the other things you write are exaggerated or not true (Malmo - a no go zone ? Really ?) but I'm not going to wade through the Internet to check them - I can spend some time with my kids knowing that they are in a safe country without lunatics having access to guns.

Which are WAY over exaggerated.
Let me give you a good example:
As I said, there has only been ONE real school shooting in America this year but according to the Liberal media I think they said there were nineteen.

One guy who live next to a school shot himself in the leg while taking his gun out of his pocket and the Liberal media called that a school shooting because his private home was within the school zone.

Give me a break.


Then all your posts amount to are merely your personal opinion.

That's because you're in Poland where there are no Somalis throwing grenades at people as in no-go Malmo or north Africans mowing down crowds with AK47s and killing famous cartoonists.

The 'lunatics' you speak of more often than not aren't able to purchase a gun legally - hence why they resort to the black market (as in France, UK, Germany, and US). If you beat your wife like 20 years ago or are on certain meds it automatically disqualifies you.

The vast majority of shootings in the US aren't committed by legal gun owners but by people who ILLEGALLY purchased their weapons. 20 dead in a school shooting? That's nothing - that's a summer Saturday night in Chicago. 3,500 shootings is considered an improvement - almost all of which are committed in one of 3 neighborhoods which are all majority black, impoverished, where both suspect and victim is black, and almost all the guns are ILLEGALLY purchased.


Oh really? So the Charlie hebdo incident never happened, paris massacre never happened, grenades aren't being thrown at children in no go malmo (wiki link shows the how many of these grenade and gang shootings take place in malmo) and yes - malmo shares the same characteristics with other no go zones (aka 'special' zones in French - SEZ's) - filled with muslims, high crime, high poverty, high unemployment, and areas where the police have little to no control. Even European police chiefs have said that no go's are a reality - they are plces where the police cannot enforce the law. But of course you know better than a Swedish or French police chief....

newsweek.com/sweden-police-vulnerable-areas-no-go-zones-628029

The police do not use the term 'no-go zones,' but Gudmundson argued it was a good way to describe a place where, quoting the report, "the public in several instances feel that it is the criminals who run the areas" and where "police cannot carry out their job."

thelocal.se/20170905/why-sweden-has-more-fatal-shootings-per-capita-than-norway-and-germany-malmo

Ahhh stockhold and the no go's of malmo and gothenberg are noted...


More from Swedish police:

"Malmö stands out," he said, noting that the southern city is somewhat more exposed to social problems and povertyin comparison to both the capital and Gothenburg.

"Malmö is also what we describe an 'early adopter' when it comes to crime. It was the first of the three cities where hand grenade crimes became more commonplace

Statistics from the National Board of Sweden's Cause of Death register show that the number of fatal shootings in Sweden has doubled in the previous nine years.

Riiiight because gun control is working sooooo great for Sweden. They need MIGRANT CONTROL - not gun control - that would fix the grenade attacks, the rapes, and all the other riff raff....

Shootings and criminal violence have become particularly bad in the heavily migrant-populated no-go zones in places like Malmö and the Stockholm suburb of Rinkeby.

Rinkeby was described by Swedish Chief Prosecutor Lise Tamm late last year as a "war zone". Tamm, who became the acting head of Sweden's anti-organised crime unit this year, said she had examined how countries like Colombia had dealt with insurgent guerillas to find solutions to dealing with the violence in the no-go zones.

Police have also been targets of violence in recent months. In Helsingborg itself, a police station was bombed in October and shortly after, a police car was attacked by a man wielding a hand grenade in Uppsala.

You give every SWEDISH woman a pistol to keep in her handbag and an AR15 to every family with a child and I guarantee that the rapes, grenade attacks, etc. will fall immediately.

12 People were murdered last year in Malmo. 17 people were murdered in half an hour last week in Florida. The murder rate in this medium-size Swedish town is about 15 times less than that of most comparible American cities.

That shouldn't be a surprise obviously Sweden is much safer than Florida because they are gun controls there. in the US you can keep your guns if it makes you feel hard but we're all happy with the laws over here.

Oh perhaps you can compare rape statistics for Sweden and Florida? Lets see how the rape capital of Europe fares against Florida.


If you cite gun control as the 'reason' then explain why do countries like Czechy, Switzerland, etc have lower rates of crime and murder than Sweden despite high levels of legal gun ownership? If it was 'because of gun control' than Czechy, Switzerland, etc. would have the same rates of crime, adjusted for population, as the United States. Instead, they are far lower than countries with very strict laws like Sweden, France, Germany, etc.


Me too, as in Poland a person can legally own a gun if they pass all the tests - just like the US, granted they are more strict in Poland. Nonetheless, if someone wants to buy a gun in Poland legally and meets all the requirements there's nothing stopping him or her. It's not really necessary as there isn't rapefugees wandering the streets as in Sweden or Germany, but at least the option is there for those who wish to exercise it.

Florida - fcasv.org/information/sexual-assault-statistics
Total Forcible Sex Offenses Reported in Florida, 2015*
·Forcible rape: 7,537
·Forcible fondling: 3,195
·Total sexual offenses reported: 10,732
·4,730 arrests were made for forcible sex offenses in Florida in 2015

Sweden -
In 2016, the number of reported rapes increased again to 6,715 (wiki)

So Florida with a population of 21 million has nearly HALF reported rapes than the undisputed King of Rape Swedistan despite having twice the population....

Ban migrants and rapefugees - not guns.

Is it not amusing that those who try to defend US Gun laws are constantly bringing up supposedly migrant crimes other European countries except Poland when the threat is specifically about Poland?

Rape in Sweden includes 'Sex by surprise' and 'not using a condom'. Plus a woman/man can undo consent after the event..

Well, we have to be protected in case they try to invade us next and try to rape Polish women. And like I've said earlier - US gun laws have nothing to do with Poland. However, liberals continually cite the US as an example of increased guns = increased gun violence due to the fact that this argument fails when applied to any other country - whether its high legal gun ownership countries like Serbia, Switzerland, Czechy, etc. oir countries with extremely strict gun laws like Honduras, Mexico, Sweden, UK, etc that have high levels of violent crime despite very low rates of legal gun ownership.

Supposed crimes? No, not supposed. The increase of violent crime has been thoroughly documented and disproportionately attributed to migrants. It's not just a few far right outlets who are writing about this, it's universities, BBC, newsweek, and even police officers saying 'no go zone' is a good way of describing places like Malmo

@johnny reb
That simply proves there is something wrong with the system.
I really see no reason why I should own a gun. But assuming some people find it necessary, it should be more controlled.

And what about the argument "lax gun laws => more mass shootings"? It is not about the number of guns, but how easy it is for others to get them and what kind of guns are sold.

Correct, Atch!@

But nobody's going to "revisit" a blessed thing, because compared with much of Europe, Americans are almost pathologically uncomfortable with historical reflection and second-guessing their own actions, even lethal or harmful ones.

You'll hear little breast beating here. Americans on the whole feel what's done is done and cannot be undone, so simply move on.

Perhaps this present march on Washington will knock some sense into our legislators' stupid heads, huh, whaddya say?

And five innocent people were just shot coming out of a church in Russia who has one of the strictest gun control laws in the world.


You people are not listening.
Take Jamaica for another example where all guns are outlawed and ammunition is too.
Get caught by the military with a gun and they shoot and kill you, you get caught by the police with a gun it is life in prison YET there are shootings every day and every night in Jamaica. (Google their homicide rate with guns)

Guess that blows your theory of stricter gun laws out of the water dunnit.

Now listen..............the kid that just shot up Florida had been visited by the police 39 times in the past on various complaints, had brought gun magazines to school with him to show off and was eventually thrown out of school.

IF there was a National data bank that this information would have had it seems it might have thrown up some red flags when he went to buy a gun when they did a background check on him do ya think ?

Plus his social media showed him with all kinds of guns showing them off, plus he was on both anti depressants and anti anxiety drugs.

If all of that information had been shared and put into one central agency no way in hell would he been able to buy a gun.

That is the problem.........lack of sharing of information with different agencies for a comprehensive back ground check.
This NOT about fixing the problem, this is about disarming America !
Did ya hear me that time.

Ridiculous. You can't just take some backwater to further our arguments. Why not use Somalia too? European countries are in many things comparable to the USA, yet they have tighter gun control and experience far fewer mass shootings than the USA. Australia implemented gun control laws after a devastating mass shooting and has ever since not experienced a similar incident.

youtu.be/9pOiOhxujsE?t=2m31s

Checkmate.

This video destroys within one minute all arguments against gun control.

Australia too consistently fines those Australian citizens who choose to shirk their civic duty by abstaining from voting. Wonder if that would work elsewhere:-)

has a ton of sick pedo fcks like Shannon McCool and Peter Scully.


Has nothing to do with guns and the two do not equate. Czech has lax gun laws yet low violent crime. Iraq also have very lax laws yet tons of shootings. Why such a drastic difference when both countries have very lax gun laws?? Could it be perhaps the person behind the gun???

Actually, the opposite appears to be true when you count countries like El Salvador, Honduras, France, South Africa, etc. which have strict gun laws yet tons of shootings.

If lax gun laws = more mass shootings then there should be numerous mass shootings in Cyprus, Czechy, Switzerland, Finland, etc. all of which have lax gun laws and high rates of gun ownership.

Blaming guns for shootings is like blaming spoons for fat people and diabetes. Perhaps we should ban spoons and regulate them closely. Bring back the spork!!

You have countries with strict laws yet tons of shootings, lax laws with no shootings, tons of laws yet still tons of shootings and strict lax but no shootings.

Strict laws yet tons of shootings - Mexico, France, Sweden, Honduras, etc

Lax laws and few shootings - Cyprus, Czechy, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Strict laws but few shootings - Poland, Iceland, etc.

Lax laws and lots of shootings - USA - about the only example of this and even then its a flawed example as state laws differ greatly. Chicago has the most shootings yet strict laws, while Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Indiana, etc. have lax laws and few shootings.

In fact, Chicago has the worst homicide rates in the US. When gun laws were made to be LESS strict and concealed carry was allowed, SHOOTINGS actually declined. Now how do you explain that one? This is an example where lax gun laws = less

@ Dirk Diggler. I am not talking about crimes in general. I am talking about mass shootings here, do not try to divert from this issue.


If you do not see the structural differences between Czech Republic and Iraq, you are beyond help.


"Lax" gun laws is relative here. You still have to pass a mandatory test before you get a gun.


The fact that you actually compare France and Sweden to Honduras and Mexico says it all. Are you really that ignorant, or do you maliciously twist the facts here?

The USA is way closer to Honduras than those countries. Neither Honduras nor Mexico have actually the means to enforce those laws.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate


The problem is not the number of guns. Switzerland and Germany demonstrate that you can tough have tough gun laws, yet a high number of guns per citizens and few mass shootings. You simply should make it more difficult to acquire them, restrict it to the number of people who have a) training and b) need it either for hunting and sport and you end up with fewer mass shootings.


Under etc:=> Every European country with tough gun laws + Australia+Japan

@Tacitus

France and mexico are both oecd nations, but the purpose was to show examples of countries who have strict gun laws yet tons of shootings rules which shows strict gun laws does not correlate with less shootings. Gun laws are lax in cyprus serbia finland and ownership levels are high etc yet they have few mass shootings and low levels of gun violence, further showing high levels of legal ownership and lax gun laws do not necessarily correlate to increase gun violence. If that were true czechy switzerland etc should have rates of violence more similar to the us, where gun laws are alsl lax. Yet they have levels comparable to poland. On the other hand places like france and sweden have low rates of legal ownership and strict laws yet certain areas are like a warzone - according to their own policr. If strict gun laws actually worked than charlie hebdo would be alive as would the hundred people mowed down in france. But they do not work as people will find other ways to obtain a gun or culturally enrich europeans using religion of peace trucks and kuffar slicers.

Well hopefully next time migrants commit a masscre using aks theyll take a safety class first. All restrictions do is make it more difficult for normal people to buy guns for self defense. Illegal guns are going to exist no matter what, even in japan where you need a license to get a bb gun, organized crime has no problem obtaining and using automatic sub machine guns.

Arguing with gun nuts is like talking to a brick wall, Tacitus. These hypocrites only pretend to have some empathy for the victims of school shootings and massacres like the one in Las Vegas - as long as you don't try to take their guns away. Instead of implementing some basic gun control measures, they'd rather send you their "thoughts and prayers". Your dead kids don't count. It's a price they are willing to pay and they distract at every opportunity. Shooters are always mentally unstable even if they are not, they argue that "only a good guy with a gun can stop a bad guy with a gun", and now they want to arm teachers to protect the kids at school. The real problem is not tackled. Until the next massacre, and then it's rinse repeat. The NRA and their followers are the real nut jobs. Most Americans understand that.