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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


mafketis 37 | 10,946
12 Apr 2024 #2,371
People?

Yes blacks and latinos are people and they are overwhelmingly responsible for gun violence in the US. What good does feigning ignorance of that do?

It's my understanding that blacks are overwhelmingly responsible for knife violence in the UK.... is that not right?

laws regarding guns in Poland are fine as they are

What about Sweden?

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jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,372
overwhelmingly responsible for gun violence in the US

Isn't it the easy availability of weapons there the factor that is "overwhelmingly responsible"?

That and shocking socioeconomic inequalities.

What about Sweden?

What about it? Sweden isn't Poland.
mafketis 37 | 10,946
12 Apr 2024 #2,373
Isn't it the easy availability of weapons there the factor that is "overwhelmingly responsible"?

No. Whites are over-represented in gun ownership but under-represented in gun crime... (except maybe suicide among older men).

That and shocking socioeconomic inequalities.

Chicken or egg? From some time in the mid-1970s to the early 1980s the 'Black' economy was growing faster than the 'White' economy.

Then crack cocaine happened which revitalized gangs and wiped out decades of economic progress in a few years. Unless you believe the conspiracy that crack cocaine was a CIA plot to immiserate US blacks the effects of the crack cocain epidemic are on the choices made by Blacks themselves.

Now you have niwits going around preaching the idea that ideas like 'punctuality' 'reliability' 'conscientiousness' (and other values necessary for success) are rooted in 'white supremacy' so.... chicken or egg. Do Blacks commit more crime because they're poor or are they poor because they do so much crime?

What about it? Sweden isn't Poland.

How much longer before armed gangs (mostly with a 'migration background') are shooting Polish people in Poland?
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,374
Whites are over-represented in gun ownership but under-represented in gun crime

That's still about availability of guns. If an ordinary person needs a firearm to protect themself, something is seriously wrong.

the 'Black' economy was growing faster than the 'White' economy.

Good, given the crap they've had to put up with for generations. And perhaps that perceived difference between communities is partly to blame for high crime rates.

How much longer before armed gangs (mostly with a 'migration background') are shooting Polish people in Poland?

How much longer before the sky falls in? As you and I both know, Poland as a country isn't high on trust however I'd wager that 99.9% do not fear "armed gangs".
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,375
The laws regarding guns in Poland are fine as they are.

The laws regarding guns in the US are fine as long as they are in the hands of white people. See New Hampshire.
When guns are in the hands of black people, bad things happen. See Washington, DC.

The mystery: Why cops in Poland carry guns.
mafketis 37 | 10,946
12 Apr 2024 #2,376
Good, given the crap they've had to put up with for generations

Well the economic progress is largely over. There's still a Black middle class (has been since the 1870s or so) but the percentage of welfare-dependent ghetto blacks has increased.... the problem is that no one, including middle class Blacks wants to be around them (for good reason). it has been said that one of the worst aspects of being poor and black in the US is that you spend a lot of time around poor black Americans and.... that's not fun.

If an ordinary person needs a firearm to protect themself, something is seriously wrong.

That's not why most people have them. Lots of people in America just.... like guns. They're fun to shoot and clean and take care of and fun to think about and fun to collect. It's not generally publicized but Steven Spielberg is a very big gun enthusiast (who began with skeet shooting).

Self-defense is more a rationalization that people use when talking to those who aren't gun crazy. I'm not a gun nut but I realize the appeal. I recently had a foreign student who was _thrilled_ to find out that there are shooting ranges in Poland and he got to live out a long term dream of shooting a gun.

Rural white who hunt also have lots of guns.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,377
Hey, jon, why do cops in Poland carry guns?
johnny reb 48 | 7,199
12 Apr 2024 #2,378
Good question Novi since these Liberal Woke's claim there is no violent crime in Poland.
Alien 21 | 5,127
12 Apr 2024 #2,379
why do cops in Poland carry guns?

Some even carry grenade launchers.
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,380
Lots of people in America just.... like guns

This just seems weird. I'm from the countryside myself and have used guns often enough, most recently an AK47 last year however there are more enjoyable ways to spend time. There's something fundamentally unhealthy about enjoying them.

Self-defense is more a rationalization that people use when talking to those who aren't gun crazy

This does make sense. Some people just live in a permanent state of semi fear.

Rural white who hunt also have lots of guns.

If people hunt to eat, there's some justification. Not that it's necessary for people in developed countries.

So much of this thread is certain posters from America who privately know that their point of view is wrong and having seen their own society become dangerous through gun crime think that other countries should make the same mistake.

In Polandd we're happy with our gun laws. Why would we want to change them for something worse?
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,381
Hey, jon, why do cops in Poland carry guns?
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,382
Why not answer your own question?

Especially since no police officer in Poland would expect a criminal to have a firearm.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,383
I am not in Poland. I am in the US so I know why US cops carry theirs.

So, in your opinion, why do cops in Poland carry guns?
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,384
I am not in Poland

So there you go.

In Europe, things are different.

And asking pointless questions repeatedly will get you nowhere.

You could equally ask why police officers in the U.K. don't carry guns or why most police officers in Poland have never fired or pointed theirs.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,385
So, in your opinion, why do cops in Poland carry guns?
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,386
So, in your opinion, why do you think repeating a pointlessly inane question increases your chance of not being ignored as you deserve to be?
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,387
Memo to all: For the first time in the history of PF, jon does not have opinion.
My 10-year-old granddaughter knows why American cops carry guns. Jon is clueless or shy...

...or he knows but won't say because if he did, he would be admitting that wasted all that time fvcking with our brains...lying his ass off to push his idiotic anti-gun agenda...

So, jonnie boy, in your opinion, why do cops in Poland carry guns?

why do you think repeating a pointlessly inane question

That question, little boy, is a nailer. It's in the check-mate category and you know it. And so does everybody else here.
The reason why you didn't answer it is that you, just like the rest of Euroscum here, are just another obedient Euro bootlicker.
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,388
Memo to all

Memo to all. Being a full time troll is so boring for you that you write weird shìt.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,389
for you that you write weird shìt.

Why do cops in Poland carry guns?
johnny reb 48 | 7,199
12 Apr 2024 #2,390
The reason why you didn't answer it is

Spot on Novi, excellent post #2387.

It's in the check-mate category and you know it.

Of course it is Novi however you know these Euro's M.O. of doubling down again and again until they can take it in a direction to argue something in their favor, that is irrelevant, to avoid your question.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,391
I am not done dealing with the Euroscum yet...

I have two at home to be able to protect my wife and myself when two drugged-up morons decide to break into my house. If that should happen, I have 10 seconds to lock the door to my safe room - if I am lucky and quick enough - and shoot the first azhole who breaks it. No, I will no ask about his childhood or if he wants coffee. Or retreat upon the roof.

You, jon, and other Euroscum can only pray and beg for your life. France did it - and waited for the cowboys to come to the rescue.
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,392
I just read some good news. Across the whole EU, obviously including Poland, gun control laws are about to be tightened further.

Americans can live how they wish in their own country. In Europe we will also do as we wish and have a higher and safer quality of life.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,393
gun control laws are about to be tightened further.

Fine with me. Just don't call DC when you get into another one...We really hate guns and shooting people so DIY.

I will ask the DoD to stop buying tanks and artillery. Even they know we have no use for them other than to save Euros again...

Now, if you decide you need help, call Hassidic Jews in NYC. They all carry AR-15s under those disgusting black robes.
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,394
get into another one

Another what?

to stop buying tanks and artillery

Good. It'll help our defence industry not to have Raytheon etc sniffing around for business.

save Euros

From school shootings? We don't really have them. Unlike you.
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,395
From school shootings? We don't really have them. Unlike you.

Our school shootings are 100% caused by pussified azholes who look up to pussified Euro scum for guidance.
Real men and women solved this problem easily with a beautiful wall and teachers like this one:

On the other hand, do you see how terrified those kids are? Israel should disarm everybody. Especially teachers, police, and Hamas.

Talking to morons is a great exercise in patience...



johnny reb 48 | 7,199
12 Apr 2024 #2,396
It'll help our defence industry

Is that the one that makes guns and other weapons to protect Poland from the bad guys ?
Novichok 4 | 8,227
12 Apr 2024 #2,397
Those guns magically turn into playdough in civilian hands.

As under KGB and Gestapo, the EU will allow only their brown shirts to be armed. Soon, they will be registering men with big fists.

Without a permit, you will not be allowed to use them.
jon357 74 | 22,179
12 Apr 2024 #2,398
makes guns

Don't be silly.

It makes tanks and artillery, for sale to anyone.

In Europe we tend not to buy guns. Poland has 2 guns per 100 people, the U.K. has 4.

Nobody wants to change that to a situation like you have where there are more guns than people.
mafketis 37 | 10,946
12 Apr 2024 #2,399
there are more enjoyable ways to spend time

de gustibus....

Some people just live in a permanent state of semi fear.

you misunderstand.... it's less fear and more trying to tie their personal taste to rational reasons..

Not that it's necessary for people in developed countries.

it's a very deep human drive.... drives don't go away with changes in infrastructure....
Lenka 5 | 3,521
12 Apr 2024 #2,400
it's a very deep human drive

Noone I met had this deep drive...


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