The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

I will answer your question after you answer the questions I already asked.

1. Do you own a car?
2. Did you ever call 911?

Yes to both

Cars are lethal. You should immediately give up yours.


To stop the threat. Cops have guns precisely for the same reason.

Why did you call 911, not a local library or a priest?

Can be, true. But they are also immensely useful in everyday use. Guns are not.

Not "can be". They are when used irresponsibly. Following your logic, the state should have a monopoly on transporting people just as it has a monopoly of protecting them.

Therefore, cars should be driven only by well-trained and licensed government car operators. Private ownership should be banned. Need to go shopping? Call 1-800-123-TAXI.

Why did you call 911, not a local library or a priest?

Again, cars are useful on daily basis. Guns are not.
And yes, we do license who can use them, same with guns.


Because I needed different services. But no, I didn't need police for their guns.

If guns were not useful on a daily basis, cops would not be carrying them daily. Only on parades.

The probability of being useful is another matter.

To estimate guns' usefulness you multiply the probability of being absolutely critical by the value of what they protect when that moment comes.

If this concept is over your head, I will be happy to elaborate further.


You are lying. Nobody calls 911 unless it's an emergency. When you do, they ask if you want the police or EMTs or both. For information, every police department had a different number.

So what was the reason why you called their emergency number?

Using your logic, English language books are useful on a daily basis, too and as such you should have one on you at all times. Do you, from September to June at least??? hahahaha

You skipped over the issue of government monopoly. If the gov can demand a monopoly on the use of guns it should have a monopoly on the use of cars.

In Poland, in 2020:

Deadly car accidents - 2500 per year
Homicides - 500 per year

Ban private cars, give the government a monopoly on transporting goods and people, and save 2400 lives.

Unreasonable? Fine...Pass a law that suspends DL for life after being caught with more alcohol than in a baby's formula.

You are correct but it doesn't mean you need someone with a gun. Again, Polish police uses guns very sporadically. It's for years less then 200 times a year.


Government doesn't have a monopoly. People can get a permit. It's just much more complex than USA. And Poles like it that way

To have guns at home, loaded and ready for self-defense?

Why did you call 911?

Yes but it has to be kept in a safe

Which can prove useless, in fact. I remember a case when burglars tore the safe with a hunting gun off the wall and took out the whole thing. I saw that hole in the wall later on.

Quite.

Some of the posters from one particular country think that if more people had guns then they could stop violent crime.

Yet in that country they have 120 guns per 100 people and it doesn't stop violent crime at all; in fact they very obviously have none of the highest rates of gun crime in the world.

The bad guys are better at using them and have the element of surprise.

Then it's useless.

It also means that Poles have no right to self-defense and that defense against violent attacks is a state monopoly.


You are a damn liar.

The white US with its 400,000,000 guns has a murder rate that is lower than in Finland, Austria, France, and Canada.

See Post 2646. If your data is different, post it or GFY.

Is every Euro a brainless moron?

No, it means we treat seriously the possibility of accidental shooting and chance of the gun being stolen.

But FFS it's none of your business. Go hug your guns and leave Poland and Europe alone

As countries go, it's very much not 'white' though is it.


That's not a high bar.

Nor is it a genuine statistic since there's no such thing as "white America".

You are not entitled to switch subjects while responding to a claim.


My claim sands alone. You either agree with it or not.

Your quoted sentence deals with policies and rules. You can collectively decide to give up your right to self-defense for a variety of reasons.

But that is separate from the fact that today you have no right to self-defense. We do and will never give it up. Ask any American here.

Any BS about how guns are statistically dangerous to "society" is pure demagoguery because when MY LIFE is threatened statistics don't matter.

The only thing that matters is who will be still standing in the next 10 seconds.


Yes, there is such a thing as white America - the America where nig*ers don't live in numbers sufficient to sway the crime rates. See Vermont, Montana...

Locally, Northbrook, Illinois. Haven't seen black face yet...

Why do you think houses are so expensive there...

We didn't. You can defend yourself including with gun. The laws around storing your gun don't negate that.

Without a gun, even adult men can't defend themselves. This is why cops carry guns.

Why don't you call that grandma and tell her how to do it without a gun?

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13357935/Albuquerque-grandmother-shoots-intruder-granddaughter-home.html

Why would anyone need to?

You must live in a shítty place.

Its much nicer than anything York has to offer, thats for sure.

When I see your "jon357" I feel like I need to throw up. Please don't make it worse by idiotic comments like your last one.

In the hetero world, men attack men with fists, hard objects, and guns. In your world, there are no men so I am not surprised by your question.

Go away...

We only have a couple of Polish members here voicing their opinion on this subject.
My bet is that if a poll was taken today that the overwhelming number of citizens of Poland would prefer to be able to have the right to have a gun in their home.

You are absolutely correct.

Poles, better than any other country, know what happens to defenseless people.

To suggest that Poles, brave enough to stand up to the Germans in 1939 and 1944, would voluntarily disarm themselves and beg for their lives when a couple of drunk azzholes came uninvited at 2 am is insanity.

York?

One of the nicest cities in the world. And no gun crime ever. Why? Because guns are rightly unavailable.

It's interesting that the only people here who are promoting easy availability of guns are people who live in a place with a stratospherically high level of gun crime.

Nobody else wants that.

But that's exactly what it is. You can apply for a gun permit and you usually get it, but very few people in Poland and Germany do it.

So you can go to a gun shop in Poland and buy an AR-15 and a Glock handgun with 1000 rounds of ammo for each of them with that permit ?


The only people ?
jon357, you are an ex-pat and speaking volumes for the country of Poland.
You are British, correct, and married your Polish husband to get your Polish citizenship. Pfffft !

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In fact, yes. Although I don't know if it's that easy to get a permit for an assault rifle.?