The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?

Fear nothing except the people with bigger and better guns

Fortunately people in Poland don't want them.

That would only be the military in my case joun and they are busy threatening China at the moment.


Says a gun grabber British ex-pat speaking for Poland.
You don't want one then don't get one but it is the Polish citizens "choice" if they want one and many have them already.

They just need to be upgraded to tactical weapons is all which is coming soon to Poland.
I see on the news this morning where six people were shot in France where guns are outlawed.
Just think if some law-abiding citizen in the crowd was strapped they may have been able to save those six people with one well place shot to the perps head.

A locked drawer in the bedroom should suffice, and would have stopped the 6 year old from taking the gun.

A six year old should be trained not to touch the gun without an adult being present like I was.
(Out of sight, out of mind)
If he does then we call that pis poor parenting.
An unload or locked up gun is worthless when the perp is already in the house Silly Boy.
We have re hashed this over and over so please read all the posts in this thread by the good guys (law abiding gun owners) before you post the same b.s. that has already been posted twenty times and been answered appropriately twenty times.

You are driving us nuts by repeating and repeating and repeating the same old b.s.
Thank you in advance.
Please stick to the subject of the thread.

It wouldn't though would it,

What are the rules there about felons having guns?


A citizen of both countries and I'll speak for who I like.

And why would a 6 year old need to be trained not to touch a gun? Why would they ever be in physical proximity to one?

As you know, there is no significant public desire for gun control in Poland to be relaxed.

And nobody wants a situation like the Americans have.

There are two kinds of 6-year-olds: boys and girls. Boys are total idiots and that's why I would never have a gun if I had boys.

Smart guns, or smart pistols are now making their way in the US. Several forms only allow an authorized user to fire these weapons. An authorized user can be someone with a biometric safety on the weapon, or some piece of jewelry that has to be worn while firing the weapon. This is the future of gun ownership.

People kill people, not guns. Education, and proper storage of any weapon will almost always result in no accidents or unauthorized use. Mental health awareness, and proper restriction weapons sales are what's needed. Grandpa's old .38 special from when he was a police officer can't just be kept loaded in and unprotected place. Common sense goes a long way for gun safety and ownership.

People with guns kill people.

One reason why gun crime is so low in Poland

Hey, Euros, pay attention...Home burglary rates:

budgetdirect.com.au/home-contents-insurance/home-safety/home-security/global-burglary-rates.html

US - 527
Denmark - 694
Sweden - 736
Greece - 762
Australia - 911

I think I will move to Australia - that fascist hellhole where it's illegal to defend yourself in your own home.

What's next - username and password to take a sh*it in my own bathroom? Oops - my gun battery is low...Go ahead, Mr. Robber take what you want, my life included.


That's why revolvers are now only movie props. Some idiots still manage to kill.
This grandpa's guns have safeties and are not chambered. I do admit that it takes both hands to fire so in this sense revolvers are faster. With kids around - never!

I will lock my guns when every housewife locks her pointy kitchen knives. Instead, they are proudly on display and within easy reach. Duh!

Why don't you mention that most European countries have a significantly lower burglary rate?

Germany: 105
Austria 110
Poland: 186
Netherland 249
Italy: 274
Span 306
France: 346
Belgium: 418
budgetdirect.com.au/home-contents-insurance/home-safety/home-security/global-burglary-rates.html#:~:text=The%20US%20has%20a%20high,through%20open%20windows%20and%20doors.

Btw. most burglaries happen when people are usually at work, not by nightly intruders: "Curiously, American researchers found that the most likely time for a burglary is not at night but between 10 am and 3 pm when a home is least likely to be occupied."

It would be interesting to know how many burglaries end with murder vs the number of people accidentally killed by guns.

Claiming that guns are useful for self-defense is long debunked myth anyway. Instead of an intruder you are most likely to never encounter you are more likely to accidentally injure or kill a family member.

latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-01-31/gun-defense-myth

In an analysis of victims of gun violence from 2007 to 2011, the Department of Justice found that people were nine times as likely to be injured or killed by a firearm rather than protected by them.

But enough of statistics. Let's just use some common sense. What's more likely? That someone will break into your home and threaten your family, or that a member of your family, in a moment of anger or drunkenness, will resort to wielding that same weapon against you? Or that in a moment of despair, a loved one will turn that easily accessible gun on themselves? Or that your 5-year-old, who knows exactly where you keep your gun, will accidentally shoot himself?

Certain behaviors - not wearing a seat belt and shoulder harness, or smoking cigarettes, for example - increase your risk of injury and death. Having a handgun in the home is no different. The presence of a gun in your home dramatically increases the risk of homicide, suicide and accidental deaths.

Checkmate.

Because the countries I mentioned are representative of the problem Europe has: an unarmed homeowner-victim.

In fact, Denmark is often claimed to be the happiest place on earth, and the US as a really scary hellhole. You Euros never bother to cite murder rates in predominantly white states like New Hampshire or Vermont. Both sides can do selective quoting.

So, one more time...Home burglaries:

US - 527
Denmark - 694
Sweden - 736
Greece - 762
Australia - 911

Poland's lower rate means there is nothing to rob.

BTW, fascist Australia saw a drop in murder rates by half in the last 30 years. Success!!! Taking guns away worked!!! Well, not so fast. In the same period, the number of guns in the US probably doubled - thank you Mr. Stain and Obongo - and the murder rate went down 50%, too!!!

So much for fascism as a cure and false correlations...

They are really not, as I have shown you. You just cherry-picked the few countries that have higher burglary rates. Germany has around twice the population of all those European countries combined, but has a burglary rate of 105.

Besides as mentioned, guns as self-defence for burglaries are mostly a myth and are disproportionally more dangerous to the owner and his loved ones than to any hypothetical burglar.

Denmark - 694
Sweden - 736
...is not cherry-picking.
Even in countries with lower rates, you, bootlicking Euros, are defenseless trying to make your impotence into a virtue. You can try this trick in pawian's elementary school but not here where every PF American is armed.

This is a no brainer: criminals will always get guns, one way or another. So the question is: do we allow people to get guns too and defend themselves or do we prefer guns to be in the hands of criminals only?

Really no brainer. I prefer how things are in Poland to how they are in USA.

Illegal guns are much more expensive, and not that easy to get. And when was last time a 6yoshot somebody?

Very reasonable.

My opinion is that there's no urgent (or non-urgent) need for Polish people to buy private guns and there's no political possibility (or real need) to significantly reduce gun ownership in the US

the US and Poland are fundamentally different societies and there's no need for them to become more similar.....

It is when you claim that they are representative of Europe when they are clearly not. The countries you selected make up less than 10 percent of Europe's population while mine make up 50. Are you familiar enough with basic math to understand which is a more meaningful selection?


Repeat after me. Most burglaries happen when no is at home. Guns usage against intruders is exceedingly rare. You are far more likely to hurt yourself or loved ones than any intruder. Trying to make yourself look tough won't change that. You are a pathetic man whose need for reassurance is more important than the safety of his family.

Actually, not. Stolen guns are available at a discount. Just like stolen cars.


Repeat after me...I am not "most". I am a unique person, not a statistic.
Assume I am at home sick. The sob breaks in and kills me to eliminate a witness. Why? Because he is either on drugs, on parole, or both. Got it or was too complicated?

Do tell us how many times that it has happened in the U.S. compared to Poland's population and gun ownership ?
(Crickets)


Open season on them here in the U.S.A.
What are you going to do to defend yourself, joun, call 911 and scratch the attacker that wants to kill you ?
Crickets

No, we don`t coz increasing the number of guns in private ownership will automatically increase their ownership by criminals. It is a vicious circle mechanism and the effects will be tragic.

That is why, no guns in private hands. I will deal with potential robbers with my long sturdy bayonette. It is good both for stabbing and hacking.

That may or may not be true.
What is true is that criminals already have guns and private owners don't.

It's refreshing to see the difference between PAK, a good man, who sees the problem we are discussing, that is a six year old boy shooting his teacher, and suggests solutions. As opposed to the two white trash reactionaries on this thread who default to just thinking of themselves and living in fear.

I guess it's understandable to a degree, the polish-american population wants to beat novi to a bloody pulp due to him being a traitor to both Poland and America. as for johnnyreb who knows who his housemate has chained up in the basement, no wonder he doesn't want anyone having a look.

If I give you my address, are you going to try?


Your fascist and commie friends agree with you. The US Constitution does not. According to this document, you are not a full citizen if you don't have one. You are just another impotent, defenseless Euro bootlicker. FYI, the average 911 response time in the US is 11 minutes. Plenty of time to talk the two ecumbags on drugs to death.

Memo to PF bootlickers: You can bullsh*it here all day long but you will never make your impotence into virtue. If you had a choice to have a gun for self-defense - loaded and ready, not at some stupid gun club under lock - you would have a point. You don't have a choice. Yet you defend the system that strips you of two fundamental human rights we, Americans, have - the right to free speech and the right to be secure in our homes. There is a reason why those are in Amendments 1 and 2, not 21 and 22.


PAK is either lying about his guns being locked away and, therefore, as useless as tits on the bull, or he has none which makes me a coward and a parasite that relies on his next-door neighbors with guns to create risks to home invaders and, thus, deter this kind of crime.

Not many people would disagree with you hahah

At least you read it. Here is the corrected version:

PAK is either lying about his guns being locked away and, therefore, as useless as tits on the bull, or he has none which makes him a coward and a parasite that relies on his next-door neighbors with guns to create risks to home invaders and, thus, deter this kind of crime.

Better now?

This really would be a hilarious conversation if the problem involved was not so real. Smart guns, those with biometrics or and RFID type bracelet or ring are the future. A fingerprint or palmprint to release the safety is simply brilliant. Long guns will be next. Smart bullets being used by the US already are another item worth discussing. Imagine being able to shoot around a corner of a building in combat.

As for locked guns being useless, that is simply just idiocy. A locked gun can be accessed in less than 10 seconds if placed strategically. Useless when all sleeping areas are inaccessible upstairs and an intruder enters from downstairs? Thats one dead intruder before he gets out of the kitchen.

Responsible gun ownership, education, mental health awareness, and restricted access are the only things that will solve these problems. Taking guns away doesn't solve anything. Everyone I know would simply hide them or buy enough parts to build their own ghost guns.

As for gun ownership in Poland, the laws are changing, and with the Orcs invading next door, a lot more people are getting training and getting permits for weapons. A few of my friends here, who never hunted, never wanted to shoot or were never into being outdoors are now regulars at the gun ranges shooting AK's and other weapons just for fun, just in case. The world is changing thanks to little Vlad, and Poland has changed its tune on guns in the hands of citizens.

Can felons legally buy or own guns?


Oddly enough, in all my life in Europe, I've never had either an 'attacker' or anyone try to kill me.

You must live in a sh1tty place.

One reason there's no appetite for relaxing strict him control in Poland or the UK.

7 seconds too long. Plus you are lying that you actually ran this test.


In all their lives people don't die yet buy life insurance. Why?