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The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland?


Rysavy 10 | 308
25 Mar 2013 #691
As for the comment by Rysavy all I can say is that Polish people can defend themselves better than any other group of people I know.Normally we say this with modesty but I see that on this forum it does not work, most western people misinterpret Polish modesty as incompetence

Aww..I wasn't inferring anything of the sort : ( Actually I was never taught that "Polaks are incompetent"... I was always taught they fought bravely before overwhelmed and that they were as good as betrayed by their allies. My Czech ancestry had good things to say. My dad liked the pilots he worked with in WW2.

But that said, fighting bravely did not prevent Poland from being off the map as Poland .. more than once.
By countries that were taken into full govenrment control before marching off to spread the love.

But am noticing that some here say 'keep your gun rights out of our Poland' are usually first to post how US should be like EU.

And many still hide where they are really from, yet speak for Poland all the time. Or are very recent transplants of only a few years or less.

A dozen US,Brits & Expats cant say in any surety. Half the time they are saying disparaging general things about Polish and Poland that point how much they have not assimilated.

And the original question is still unanswered.
I say again...we need polls ^_^
I know my BF would be NOOOO! -His mum not care- Sister 1 Noooooo- Sister 2 & DAD Hellya. His bud we play on Steam with says Hellya . So that is 6 Polish people in North I know opinion of, that were born , raised and live there. My study buddy, by our conversations, would have been another No, but not Nooooooo. Not all have same reasons..but the Yes or NO is what answer is wanted, yes?
AmerTchr 4 | 201
25 Mar 2013 #692
Hey Rysavy, I was curious if you had looked at the "Realities of firearms" thread, particularly the part about AR's and the Ruger GSR as hunting rifles with regard to HD applications? Comment over there if you are of a mind to do so.
Ironside 50 | 10,814
25 Mar 2013 #693
It's about controlling guns that shoot bullets into people that don't want them.

As a matter of fact it has nothing to do with you.If i want a gun or if i own dozen of guns it dens;t affect you in anyway. You are not going to be held responsible for my actions. You can want whatever you want but you cannot tell me how to live and what to do- as long as I'm not-affecting you and your rights in anyway - why would you attempt to inference with mine?

Because out there are nutter who can harm people? You are not able to control all people or to control what nutters would do or not- that impossible. Are you some kind of control freak?

nutter with dedication can do much harm without a gun.
jasondmzk
25 Mar 2013 #694
You are not going to be held responsible for my actions. You can want whatever you want but you cannot tell me how to live and what to do- as long as I'm not-affecting you and your rights in anyway

Until we live on our own personal islands, we ARE responsible for each other's actions. That's why we live in republics based on laws. Do you not think you should have to get a driver's license? Do you think you should be allowed to own an Apache Attack Helicopter? Of course you don't.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
25 Mar 2013 #695
...your boast that you are great etc.

Can you quote where I said that I was "great"? .......or is this more proof that your imagination runs away on you?

You cut and paste from conspiracy sites, my personal favourite was the site that claimed Canada was governed by a giant pineapple

I'll ask you again. Please link a conspiracy site that I allegedly linked to. Canada is governed by a giant pineapple?? Um, some people do get confused when they go into a dream state and believe that to be reality. Watch out for those UFO's circling you this very minute.

Europeans are safe.

If the European economy continues to collapse then you'll find out how safe Europe is. People who want to own guns should be allowed to do so. Those who don't want to own guns don't have to. It's called individual choice which is related to free will. As a responsible gun owner, I don't want people who emotionally distrust guns to tell me what I should possess and what I should not. That goes for other objects as well. In New York, the mayor is attempting to outlaw beverages that are 32 ounces and above because as a government bureaucrat, he knows what's best for us. This is a minor form of tyranny where the do-gooders want us to bow to their personal preferences.

Why don't you hunt tigers and lions but on a more equal grounds,

Do tigers and lions kill their prey on "more equal grounds"? They often pick on sick buffaloes and other game that is weaker than they are.

I don't want you to have one legally. I don't want you to have one at all.

Spoken like the tyrants you seem to agree with.
Rysavy 10 | 308
25 Mar 2013 #696
Hey Rysavy, I was curious if you had looked at the "Realities of firearms" thread, particularly the part about AR's and the Ruger GSR as hunting rifles with regard to HD applications? Comment over there if you are of a mind to do so.

No, I usually don't get all ruffled on firearms...I'll take a peek..I don't often go looking for threads to necro.

I ghosted then posted this thread because I really wanted to see what REAL Poles thought and their individual answers. I was hoping thoughtfully mused.

Answers OTHER than "OMG don't even mention GUNS! NOBODY in POLAND wants them! We have NO gun crime! None are allowed to have them! Poland doesn't wish to be a hellhole like U.S.!" And often by transplants or expats.

^_^
Polson 5 | 1,771
25 Mar 2013 #697
tell that all to your granny, who the feck are you to telling me I cannot have a gun if I want one - legally.

Easy, boy. You could also get a tank if it was legally possible. Would that make the society any safer?
Guns are made to kill and destroy, nothing else.
Now that's my opinion, but since you seem to know everything much better than me, I'll leave you with your opinion. I don't share it, that's it. Is it legally acceptable?
Ironside 50 | 10,814
25 Mar 2013 #698
sure it is and freedom of choice should be equally acceptable for a gun ownership. Those who want to own a gun should have the right to do so and those like you who don't want them shouldn't quire them. That should be legally acceptable.

However people who don't want guns shouldn't impose their opinion on the others.

Easy, boy.

Don't call me boy unless you are over seventy sonny.
jasondmzk
25 Mar 2013 #699
Those who want to own a gun should have the right to do so and those like you who don't want them shouldn't quire them. That should be legally acceptable.

What about those that want their own missile launcher or attack drone?
Polson 5 | 1,771
25 Mar 2013 #700
sure it is and freedom of choice should be equally acceptable for a gun ownership. Those who want to own a gun should have the right to do so and those like you who don't want them shouldn't quire them. That should be legally acceptable.
However people who don't want guns shouldn't impose their opinion on the others.

Alright, then explain me why you'd have a gun. Because it's really unsafe out there, or just because it's fun?
Those who want to own a gun, anyone?

Don't call me boy unless you are over seventy sonny.

Just teasing. Is pretty butterfly better? ;)
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
25 Mar 2013 #701
youtube.com/watch?v=OYa2ihn_m0Q
Polson 5 | 1,771
25 Mar 2013 #702
Answering violence with violence, now that's a sign of a developed country.
I'd rather have people carrying a taser, at least it has less chances to finish at the cemetery.
peterweg 37 | 2,320
25 Mar 2013 #703
Perhaps you can try to cite any sort of mass movement in PL for the present laws to be changed.

Indeed, not a single political party or politician has advocated loosening the strict laws of gun ownership in the Uk. Its a non-issue.

In Poland, there was a mention two years about making it easier to obtain a license. I haven't heard anything since

If the European economy continues to collapse then you'll find out how safe Europe is.

You have no idea how europe works do you? there isn't lunatics running about with guns.

Unlike the USA, the mentally ill and hospitalised and treated.

No matter how bad things get a place to live and food will be provided. Socialism is great.
Rysavy 10 | 308
25 Mar 2013 #704
youtube.com/watch?v=j_YTM_eAWnQ
for every pretty video with ominous gangbanger music with flashy large print by an association with agenda specifically for gun control=gun removal?
There is another refuting it. (I resisted putting Ted Nugent or NRA backed ones here ^_^)

So what was your point ZIMMY?
That a pretty video and important sounding association means it must be the unrefutable facts?
which of many statistics did they use? how old was the studies? Whose and what agency paying?

and ask Australia...
Maybe 12 | 409
25 Mar 2013 #705
I'm glad I don't have a gun, since the temptation to shoot irritating people would probably be to much for me.
Rysavy 10 | 308
25 Mar 2013 #706
Blarghle! mixed posts while trying to quote and make video post proper! (sorry Zimmy)

You have no idea how europe works do you? there isn't lunatics running aboutwith guns. Unlike the USA, the mentally ill and hospitalised and treated.

So um..is crime down for lack of guns
or ........................from less mentally unstable people running around with OR without guns?????

So where is our mental health legislature behind all this gungrabbing? And now you see part of the problem us "gun nuts" are having with the premise of guns cause crime. And even if not jaundiced our own govenrment those of us in border states defintely feel safer ARMED.

The EU hasn't yet settle with impact of illegals from more hostile less civilised areas and has no where near the drug trade. Even with open travel vias you still have pretty tight borders for most of your countries. Share a border with a country in constant turmoil and come back with the safety comparaisons..oh wait..you can't!

I have never been tempted to shoot anyone for bothering me- beatin the carp out of? yes. Killing? no
Now excuse me... fascinating as all this is.. I ate faaar too much icecream cake and am going into dairy coma so into the brisk outdoors for a walk I go!
Palivec - | 380
25 Mar 2013 #707
The EU hasn't yet settle with impact of illegals from more hostile less civilised areas and has no where near the drug trade.

No, we can only offer the Italian, Albanian and Russian Mafia, illegals from Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe and the drug trade from Northern Africa and the Middle East. And we still don't want guns.
Barney 15 | 1,476
25 Mar 2013 #708
Can you quote where I said that I was "great"?

Boasting Zimmy, boasting that you have bettered me or others in debate. You must be the only self proclaimed alpha male that needs to boast. Zim you have never bettered any one on this site in debate as you don't have an original idea but you can cut and paste.

You inhabit a world of crank sites often posting links to them here. One of the sites you linked to claimed that Canada was governed by an Acorn worshiping cult (I thought it was the pineapple crowd but they are bat **** crazy not like the acorn people) when I challenged you on this you claimed that there was good info on those sites.

Yes Europeans are safe compared to those in the US.

As a responsible gun owner

When the psychos are no longer reported as quiet unassuming people who would never hurt a fly followed by the phrase who would have guessed they were capable of that.....perhaps I'll change my mind.

Zim the long and short is that your crazy world view has been rejected by Europe it has been rejected by the majority of the people in the US and every other place it has been tested.

Europe is not going to adopt a crazy cowboy myth of gunslingers and lone heroes.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Mar 2013 #709
Answering violence with violence, now that's a sign of a developed country.

Protecting oneself against violence seems to be too logical to the naive.

You have no idea how europe works do you?

Oh, I probably do know. I've been to every European country except Albania, Bulgaria. and Lichtenstein. How 'bout you? Also, my long time business partner is an economist, but then, facts don't matter to you.

Socialism is great.

Yes, I've seen it work in Cuba (been there 2 times). The people pretend to be happy and that's the important thing (sarcasm).

So what was your point ZIMMY?

It seems to be the same one you are making.

I'm glad I don't have a gun, since the temptation to shoot irritating people would probably be to much for me.

...then don't get one. You might try yoga though.

Blarghle! mixed posts while trying to quote and make video post proper!

I thought it was something like that.

Boasting Zimmy, boasting that you have bettered me or others in debate.

I have but that doesn't make me "great". Anyone with an ounce of logic can do that (to you).

you can cut and paste.

It's called referencing, you should try it.

You inhabit a world of crank sites often posting links to them here.

Once again, please post an alleged "crank" site of mine. You spew but you don't do.....

One of the sites you linked to claimed that Canada was governed by an Acorn worshiping cult...

This is why you should try referencing. Facts are stubborn things.

thought it was the pineapple crowd ....

No, no, no, don't you know it's the cucumber crowd that controls everything.

Zim the long and short is that your crazy world view has been rejected by Europe

Ah Europe, the bastion of communism and socialism where the government elite decide what's best for you.
R

Europe is not going to adopt a crazy cowboy myth of gunslingers and lone heroes.

I'm itching to draw the pineapples out of my holsters.
Rysavy 10 | 308
26 Mar 2013 #710
LAWL..wrong quote..that was MAYBE

Rysavy: I'm glad I don't have a gun, since the temptation to shoot irritating people would probably be to much for me....then don't get one. You might try yoga though.

however I do Yoga anyway, am moderately armed and more likely to Falcon Punch someone than shoot them if they annoy me that much.

.No, we can only offer the Italian, Albanian and Russian Mafia, illegals from Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Europe and the drug trade from Northern Africa and the Middle East. And we still don't want guns.

has no where near the drug trade

<--STILL
We have Russian Mafia here- there was big local huff in AZ when they were running ilegal insurance scam accidents in CA and AZ.
We have had Italian mafia strong here since before the prohibition. opium trade has been replaced long ago by meth.

And be honest....African drug trade does not have as easy an access even if it is run by peoples as dangerous as the Cartels of Latin America. No single country in EU specially the ones near suspect countries have 3,169 km of border to watch over with 350mil LEGAL crossovers yearly. It is THE MOST crossed international border. Period.

edit : horrible typo
Barney 15 | 1,476
26 Mar 2013 #711
Zim your favourite topic is you which is not surprising given your inability to debate any point.

On this thread you have made sweeping Yoda like announcements, refused to answer questions pretending they were not asked, posted a few pointless quotes by some slave owners and start personal attacks.

That is pretty much standard practice for your good self, perhaps you will soon stumble across an exotic site that tells you how to think, something like the misogynist sites, the climate change denial sites and the birther sites the list of nonsense that you have spewed here is seemingly endless......

We have Russian Mafia here.............................../////......................... .......We have had Italian mafia strong here since before the prohibition. opium trade has been replaced long ago by meth.

Well there must be something seriously screwed up about the US if your permanent self medicating forces you to arm yourselves. Or is it that Europe has a similar drug problem but fewer guns and is safer as a result?
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Mar 2013 #712
Zim your favourite topic is you which is not surprising given your inability to debate any point.

I've made my pro gun positions very clear - but you are immune to logic and facts.
People have a right to self protection and beware of those trying to take away that right.

On this thread you have made sweeping Yoda like announcements,

May your epiphany include rational thought, reason and of course free will.

....posted a few pointless quotes by some slave owners...

It's true that some Founding Fathers owned slaves but that doesn't diminish their world-changing accomplishment(s). The sum of their works was bigger than they were and their writings revealed that.

Lots of people have defended themselves during home robberies and during violent assaults because they used their guns. It boggles the mine to think that some people want to take that natural right away from them.
Lenka 3 | 2,353
26 Mar 2013 #713
People have a right to self protection and beware of those trying to take away that right.

Ok. I agree with that but what if there was refferendum in Poland and most citizens voted no for easy access to guns?
jasondmzk
26 Mar 2013 #714
It boggles the mine to think that some people want to take that natural right away from them.

In what world is having a gun a "natural right"? Do you have a "natural right" to an Apache Helicopter? Yes or no.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Mar 2013 #715
Ok. I agree with that but what if there was refferendum in Poland and most citizens voted no for easy access to guns?

If the majority of Poles forget their history and don't want their fellow citizens to own guns than they deserve their slide into self-enslavement.

In recent years in the U.S, all but one of the crazy mass murders were committed in "gun free" zones. The cowardly killers knew there would be no opposition.

Additionally, as previously pointed out, tyrannical governments also know this and that's why they automatically ban their citizens from owning them.. That alone should be lesson enough.

afterthoughtsblog.net/2013/01/understanding-guns-in-america-natural.html

n what world is having a gun a "natural right"? Do you have a "natural right" to an Apache Helicopter? Yes or no.

Barney won't read the following link because he abhors references; perhaps you will.

afterthoughtsblog.net/2013/01/understanding-guns-in-america-natural.html
From the link: "The acknowledged natural rights were life, liberty, and property {Locke called them life, liberty, and estate}. Keeping and bearing arms was attendant to these three; the ability to defend the three natural rights was considered the fourth natural right. It could even be said that keeping and bearing arms was the foundation for the natural rights."
jasondmzk
26 Mar 2013 #716
It could even be said that keeping and bearing arms was the foundation for the natural rights.

It could be said that the sound of thunder is caused by God bowling in Heaven. It COULD be, but it would sound just as foolish. You know what's a natural right? The ability to send your kid to school without having to identify him or her on a coroner's slab, because of some OTHER guy's "natural right" to have whatever weapon he wished.
newpip - | 140
26 Mar 2013 #717
owning a gun is not a natural right. it is nonsense that a majority population of a country has had brainwashed into thinking is true. A bible in one hand and a gun in the other. these same people think that global warming is the agenda of the left.

we just need to leave America alone, it will implode much like the Roman empire.
ZIMMY 6 | 1,601
26 Mar 2013 #718
ZIMMY: It could even be said that keeping and bearing arms was the foundation for the natural rights.
It could be said that the sound of thunder is caused by God bowling in Heaven.

There is much evidence for the former; none for the latter.

You know what's a natural right? The ability to send your kid to school without having to identify him or her on a coroner's slab, because of some OTHER guy's "natural right" to have whatever weapon he wished.

Are you implying that all gun owners murder? I've previously explained that the lowest gun crimes are committed by people who legally own guns. Why take away guns from them?

these same people think that global warming is the agenda of the left.

It isn't? It is in the U.S.

we just need to leave America alone, it will implode much like the Roman empire.

Hmmm, Cypress, Greece, Italy, Portugal, et al.........Europe seems to have a head start in that direction.
Lenka 3 | 2,353
26 Mar 2013 #719
If the majority of Poles forget their history and don't want their fellow citizens to own guns than they deserve their slide into self-enslavement.

I accept your right to have whatever laws you want to in US but when I mention Poles deciding in a voting that they don't want guns you say we would deserve sliding into self-enslavement? Cool.I can only say that I'm glad that there are no signals that Poland will change the gun ownership laws.And I'm happy noone can force it on us.
Barney 15 | 1,476
26 Mar 2013 #720
I've made my pro gun positions very clear

You have indeed, the problem is that you have no argument to defend your position. Posting a bunch of quotes from the slave owners about tyranny does not make an argument. You have to form a reasoned logical position, the nonsense about fighting a tyrannical government is a case in point. It's an empty slogan and hollow threat for a situation that will not arise. There is no logical stance possible for holding that point of view except to impress equally deluded folk.

Barney won't read the following link because he abhors references

Its not that I dislike references, I dislike random quotes peppering a post without any coherent narrative. If you make a point its good to have some sort of evidence to support that point for example peer reviewed journals. A link to a blog site is not supporting evidence but the opinion of some one else.


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