IS "MURZYN" word RACIST?

LEWACKI, LEWAK - radcial leftist, ultra-leftist
LEWICOWY, LEWICOWIEC - leftist

"Murzyn" is neutral, but its not coming from English word "*****" but much more neutral"moor" meaning "someone dark skinned" and it used to describe people from whole Africa, including Arabs and Berbers. Much later on it has been made the difference between Arabs and people living further south, that were used as slaves.

Shakespeare's Othello is described as Moor, "Murzyn" in Polish translation (although later translations use the word "Maur", to show that he had Arabic rather than deep African origins).

Murzyn isnt a slur. It never was. Homo is not a slur as Hetero isn't a slur. Those are just ways to describe people.

Ways to describe people you don't like ?

how do you call a murzyn cms - here you can make yourself more PC than you actually are

I wouldn't say it sounds racist but then again we live in the times of political correctness andsome may argue it does.
But should we censor 'Murzynek Bambo' then?

That's irrelevant

"Murzynek Bambo" is as racist as you can get, the most racist thing about it is of course this line: 'Murzynek Bambo lives in Africa' everyone knows that Murzynek Bambo lives in Detroit or London

We should see it as a thing of its time. Plenty more stories to tell in schools, plenty written all the time, plenty of old ones that endure through the ages. No reason to fetishise tales from a century ago that only became popular because there wasn't as much new stuff around at the time than there has been since.

yes, it's offensive. There used to be 'little Black Sambo' in UK children's books as well, but times have changed.

yes it's offensive 'cause it says - 'czarną ma skórę ten nasz koleżka' (black-skinned is our little bloke) - everyone knows that most blacks are actually brown

Some people just get all hot and bothered about making minor but sensible changes, while ignoring the bigger issues.

btw I haven't seen 'Murzynek Bambo' in current Polish school books if you are so sensitive - looks like a non-issue after all

No bad thing at all, however it does still crop up in schools.

@rozumiemnic
And it ends with: Szkoda, że Bambo czarny, wesoły nie chodzi z nami do szkoły.
Bambo in the poem acts like any kid. It shows that both black and white (are 'black' and 'white' still acceptable? 'Black' may not...) kids are in fact similar. Quite an approach for the first half of the 20th century.

What if someone calls me white? As pale as I am, at least in winter, my skin colour is not actually white.

There are probably a hundred other, better, kids fiction books that have just the same message.

no, just a normal 21st century European..:) Why so snippy?


oh please, spare me.

I'm not trying to be provocative.
I just think we are getting carried away with political correctness sometimes.
And Tuwim was great.

so you think it is 'getting carried away' to desist from using terms which the groups they refer to find offensive?
Yeh i have met people like you before, nasty little toerags whining that they are no longer 'allowed' to be publicly offensive. Aww the poor little things! No longer permitted to use overtly racist terms....

my heart bleeds.

So I am nasty because I don't find 'murzyn' offensive? I'm sorry but it is not an overty racist term. I'm not defending the cz- word - that is offensive, indeed.

I have just googled 'murzyn'. Both Miodek and Bralczyk consider it neutral. So does John Godson.
And I do think the society today sometimes gets carried away with political correctness. Just like several years ago when Pharrel Williams was criticised for wearing a Native American headdress.

nor specifically, just your whine about PC. Tell you what if you dont like PC you poor poor little white boy, go up to the next black man you see and say whatever you class to be suitably non PC.

Have a nice day!

you are a bloody racist, what is worse you didn't even know about it, you must have sucked racism with your mother's milk

Keyboard warriors, Roz. Just grumbling about change, and how the wicked world happens without them.

probably. my we are getting upset arent we?
Good grief my Polish sister in law and I were laughing about little Black Sambo or whatever the Polish name was, 20 years ago.

@rozumiemnic
I'm sorry but I'm female and I'm not into fights.
I'm sorry to surprise you but I don't have a problem with black people.
It's easy to judge people, huh?

oh well that's lucky for them , then, isn't it?
yes, I do judge people that whinge about 'PC' 'gone mad' - they are invariably ...idiots..

you surely have a problem with black people - didn't you know they find the word 'murzyn' offensive - they don't want to be called Moors anymore - they want to be treated as human beings - calling them Moors suggests that you think they are from Mars - how more offensive can you get

Why would it be lucky for them?

don't worry kaprys - rozumiemnic is just passive aggressive, that's all

no i am not, I am just making a point. It's called a 'forum'.