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Piorun   
10 Mar 2009
Life / Polish Nursery Rhymes [243]

It's real, just a different version of it, look at Post # 90 by Eurola on this very thread page 3.
Piorun   
22 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

if your going to make snide remarks about Americans. at least try to make
it sound like your older then 10 years of age.

There’s no other way to talk to someone who obviously is a troll, trying to pass herself as native. Just read couple of her posts and you’ll see what I mean. I recommend “Poles make good prostitutes”. If I really meant this; I would go even further and recommend a geography lessons as well, but perhaps she should start with the obvious one first, like English. She obviously didn’t have a problem with that statement (I wonder why), so why should you? My opinion is based on the post and a claim of the OP as to who he/she is. Just in case she is who she claims to be, than it is very obvious she was taking a short bus to school, a very short bus where every seat is a front seat, hence no more comments on my part. The reputation that you so fiercely defend here is ruined by such people, but you have no problem with that. So if the shoe fits.

PS. She also claims to be part Polish. My true opinion a TROLL
Piorun   
21 Feb 2009
Food / Polish food in Pictures. [277]

Well once again I was in need of "Serwatka" so I decided to make it and the byproduct is quite delicious too. Here are some pictures of it and How To

Just before heating it
After heating it
Straining
byproduct "twaróg"
Dripping excess whey out
Piorun   
20 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

To Arlene:

I do apologize this was uncalled for but I could not help myself. I know who I am and trust me I’ve been called worst than an Idiot so I do forgive you, but making the same mistake twice just proves my point. It just reinforces my opinion; Americans do learn their history from comic books, cartoons and other idiots. Besides the other nationalities that you have listed are not white? What’s your point?

PS. You should be honored that people actually do read your opinion.
Piorun   
20 Feb 2009
Love / I adopted the Polish culture by way of my husband [12]

When i was there in the winter it was dark at 3pm in the afternoon the roads were really bad it was freezing out and the only thing to do is drink vodka. AND I DON'T EVEN DRINK. this has been my experience.

Well you can always make love. Just a suggestion.
Piorun   
20 Feb 2009
Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

but many idiots in America think that Polish people

Dose this answer your question?

I foung out Poland was under Austrian & Hungarians rules for so many years like 900 hundred years till 1930"s

Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Unless you want to say that somebody who might be a Jew can not be a Pole.

Salomon (Solomon or Shlomo or Polish Szlomo) Morel (November 15, 1919 in Grabowo, Poland – February 14, 2007 in Tel Aviv) Funny how a Jew can change the rules when it fits his agenda. So was He Polish or Jewish? To avoid justice Szlomo claimed to be a Jew.

Helena Wolińska-Brus (1919-2008) (born as Fajga Mindla Danielak). To avoid justice Wolińska-Brus claimed to be British subject.

So to answer your question I don't think it applies to Jews were you were born, they choose to be somebody else and by their own choice.

It’s called Jewish Loyalty for you. If it means to save their own ar** they can be anything you like them to be.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Just as I'll be waiting for you to explain how you went from saying that there is doubt about Gęborski's ethnicity to being certain that he was a Jew because all the people who ran Polish concentration camps were Jews.

I’ll make you a deal since it is you who are claiming they are Polish, you prove it. Otherwise I’ll call them Jews. As for Gęborski just like you call him Polish I call him Jewish same difference since it is not clear who he is.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

I don't see where you have made any mention of Aleksy Krut, Stefan Szablewski, Włodzimierz Staniszewski, Stanisław Kwiatkowski, Ivan Mordasov or Teofil Hazelmajer, to name but a few of the commanders of the Polish concentration camps.

Unlike you I don’t make it my life’s mission to blame all the ailments of this world on Jews like you do on Poles. I don’t’ know the rest of these names, but with little bit of research on my part I’ll bet I can prove you wrong. You see It’s not the facts that are driving you but some kind of chip on your shoulder. Was your father thrown out of Poland or something?
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Face facts: a concentration camp in Poland which is run by Poles, guarded by Poles, managed by Poles and exists at the order of a Polish government which is made up of Poles is simply a Polish concentration camp. Trying to argue that it isn't just makes you look foolish.

Just read my statement above and consider changing all reference to Poles and Polish, to Jew and Jewish and you will be a hundred percent correct otherwise you are just a Lire.
Piorun   
19 Feb 2009
History / Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto? [582]

Harry, are you up to your old tricks again and trying so desperately prove how Poles did this or that?

The simple truth is that Stalin did not trust Poles; in those days 90% of the penal facilities were run by and staffed by Jews who have changed their names to a more Polish sounding ones. So whom can Stalin entrust a Security in Poland a Jew by the name of Jacob Berman. Stalin regarded Jews as trustworthy, whose loyalties would be to Zionism rather than the country of their residence and he was right, seems like he was not disappointed in his choice.

Keeping to the subject at hand, in Silesian region alone there were some 2 to 3 hundred such officers and 75% of them were Jews, of course the percentage is much higher when it comes to who is of an executive level and position of influence. Silesia alone had 20 to 30 prisons housing polish nationals and anyone who was deemed a threat to a Commie Government. You have to keep in mind that it was Pinek Maka (a Jew), who was the Secretary of Security for Silesia and guess who he appointed to be in charge of the penal system? Hold on to your hat, here’s a real shocker now; it’s another Jew Chaim Studniberg.

Here is just a sample of Jewish officers in Silesian region who were commanders of such facilities and did not even bother to disguised to be perceived as Poles, they are as follow; Maj. Frydman (in Bytom), Jacobowitz (can’t remember), Szmul Kleinhauft (in Mysłowice), Efraim Lewin (in Nysa), Szlomo Morel (in Świętochłowice, Opole, Katowice) and Lola Potok Ackerfeid (in Gliwice).

As for Czesław Gęborski, being either Polish or Jewish although he himself never made a claim to be Jewish some of the witnesses have claimed that they overheard him bragging to other Jewish guards there and making this statement “I boast of me being Catholic and they believed me”. The shadow of a doubt is upon him but it was never proven. What he did is a stuff of aw inspiring and envy to many aspiring SS and Gestapo officers because of his ingenuity he employed in keeping his prisoners entertained to the bitter end. No matter how you perceive him to be a Pole or a Jew; the simple truth is his deeds were committed under a watchful eye of his regional commander who was a Jew and there is no way you can deny this.

PS. Read what American Jew named Sack has to say about this very subject. It will blow your mind and maybe make you realize how wrong you are. Keep in mind I recommend a Jewish author because you would not even consider reading a non Jewish one.
Piorun   
26 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

What happens to the oatmeal, and whatever else is left in the sieve?

Throw it out you already got the goodies out into the liquid.

What's a "dag?' What might that translate to in our outdated system here?

25 dag of whole grain bread
Dag – decagram, 25 decagram = 250 grams = 0.551 lb or 8.81 oz
2.5 l of water
l - liter, 2.5l = 0.659 Gallons = 2.639 Quarts = 10.556 Cups
20 dag of sugar
20 dag = 200 grams = 0.440 lb or 7.05 oz
1 dag of yeast
1 dag = 10 grams = 0.022 lb or 0.35 oz
Piorun   
25 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

When you strain it, do you save the water you've strained? Do you save the solids? Is this the "starter" you later refer to?

You save the liquid portion and yes it’s called a starter. Just remember when adding it to boiling water make sure you are constantly stirring it and adding it slowly otherwise you will end up with lumps instead of nice consistency.

Is it the equivalent of yeast?

No it’s not. Apart from its use as a beverage, kwas is often used as a base or additive for soups and stews in East European cuisine especially in Russian and Ukrainian dishes. Although non-alcoholic It contains anywhere from 0.7% - 2.2% of alcohol. This drink is very popular in the Eastern Europe, in countries like Russia, Ukrainian, Belarus, Lithuania. Also available in eastern part of Poland. Go to any local ethnic deli like Russian, Ukrainian and ask for: Russian, Belarusian, Serbian and Ukrainian: “квас” (kvas) in Polish it’s “kwas chlebowy” (lit. "bread leaven"), “kwas” on its own means acid. In Lithuanian “gira” and Estonian “kali”. I’m sure they will be more than happy to assist you and recommend the product. Lithuanian and Ukrainian brands are good but I’m sure the other ones are just as good.

Here’s a little tip on what to look for.

Kwas chlebowy is made by the natural fermentation of bread made from whole grain bread like wheat, rye and flavored with fruit, berries, raisins. Homemade “kwas chlebowy” most often uses dark or rye bread, dried and baked into croutons or fried with an addition of sugar, fruit and with yeast culture. Unlike mass-produced varieties, the home made one has no preservatives and spoils within relatively short period of time usually up to a week or so. Commercial one the cheap brands are made just like any other soft drink product, using sugar, carbonated water, malt extract, and flavoring. Better brands are those made by beer rather than soft drink manufacturers, usually they use a variation of the traditional process to brew their products. For cooking purpose look for a product made by beer manufacturer with as little flavoring ingredients added in as possible. Kwas chlebowy is high in vitamin B content and commonly served unfiltered, with the yeast still in it.

If you’re really hard pressed and there’s nothing available where you live you can make your own here’s a basic recipe for you.

To make your own home made Kwas Chlebowy

Ingredients:
25 dag of whole grain bread (preferably dark variety)
2.5 L of water
20 dag of sugar
1 dag of yeast (the one used in wine and beer making process not the one for baking so be careful here) Cooper's Ale Yeast is fine.

Raisins, lemon peels (optional if you are making drink version for extra flavor)

Crumble the bread, dry it in the oven till it's slightly toasted and dry. When the bread is dried out lay it at the bottom of a pot and pour boiling water over it, place it aside for 24h. After 24 hours has passed strain it through a fine sieve (keeping the liquid portion) add sugar, and yeast that had been dissolved in small amount of warm water, blend it thoroughly and set it aside in a worm environment. When reaction takes place carefully remove the froth. When the reaction finally subsides remove the remnants of the froth and it’s ready for bottling. For cooking purpose use it as it is with the setlement on the bottom of the container.

If you decide to bottle some you can reuse the bottles from Grolsch for this purpose, (the ones with the cork attached to them not the bottle cap type). If you’re making it to be consumed as a drink place the lemon peel and couple of raisins in the bottle to give it extra flavor, before pouring in the liquid. Close the bottles tightly and keep it in a warm environment for one more day. Then store it in a dark cool place for later consumption. If properly bottled and stored in a suitable environment it will keep for approximately 4 weeks, if not the bottles can explode. If you decide to experiment with making your own kwas keep it away from other food products that could be contaminated with glass just in case the accidents happen. Anything that’s stored longer than 5 days should be checked if it’s not spoiled before consumption. If you decide to drink it, watch out it’s an acquired taste but according to some folks it’s good for stomach ailments and used as a home medicine for this purpose.

Recent scientific studies have proven that people who regularly consume kwas chlebowy are 3 time less likely to catch a flu. It’s very beneficial for proper digestion and speeds up the metabolism. It contains enzymes which regulate the bacterial flora in human digestive system.

COUTION:
YOU SHOULD NOT DRINK THIS PRODUCT IF YOUR BODY IS UNABLE TO TOLERATE YEAST.
Piorun   
19 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

Indeed the English button is not working. So here’s the translation.

Kieselycia

Ingredients:
1 tablespoon of Kwas chlebowy, (Kvass, or Bread Drink in English, you will be able to find it in the ethnic section, most likely as Kvass in Russian foods section)

4 tablespoons of wheat flour
½ kg (1.1 pounds) of oatmeal
3 cloves of garlic (you can add more if you like it)
2 bay leaves
1 l (4.2 cups) of water
Salt and pepper

Preparation:
To make the Starter:
Mix together 1 tablespoon of Kvass with 2 tablespoons of wheat flour in 4 cups of lukewarm water. Slowly add oatmeal while stirring and 2 more tablespoons of wheat flour.When it's all mixed together thoroughly, cover with cheese cloth and set aside for two days. After two days have passed add some cold water, stir and strain it through fine sieve.

Boil some water with bay leaves and minced garlic. When the water have come to a boiling point lower the heat and slowly add starter constantly stirring and cook it for a while over a low heat. Add salt and pepper to taste. Serve hot with boiled potatoes, wild mushrooms however you like it.
Piorun   
17 Jan 2009
Food / Fermented Oatmeal Soup from Poland - Recipe? [67]

Is this what all the fuss is about? It's a Lemko style very thick (Żur owsiany), Polish name is (kieselycia).

lisiełycia

You can find the recipe Here
skarbieclemkowszczyzny.neostrada.pl/12s_potrawy.htm

BTW it is a Christmas eve dish.
Piorun   
8 Dec 2008
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

But I can see similarities wherever people have been conquered.

And you should that’s what Dalai Lama talks about.

I personally understood or empathised with the blacks in South Africa than the Whites, something you don't forget.

I don’t growing up in a totally homogeneous country this is probably as alien concept for me as communism must be for you.

Maybe it was just a different way of doing the same thing?

No, no - Ideology remember; everything is sacrificed for the greater cause including your own family so you can forget about nationalism. Why do you think they called themselves Soviets instead of Russians?
Piorun   
8 Dec 2008
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

There are Scots and Welsh who would punch you for the meer thought and others who'd shrug their shoulders, same in ireland.

That’s not me talking, it’s the assessment that I have read by some of the historians looking at present day Britain.

ideology

Yap that’s a B**** :-).

my point was about communists

Don’t kid yourself it’s almost the same and never out of love.
Piorun   
8 Dec 2008
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

The English never came up with propaganda for the Irish, against the Irish yes but they did not want us.

I will not pretend that I know Irish history because I don’t. In Ireland’s case the English Crown desired ultimately to incorporate Ireland into the realm of British authority and the tools used to achieve this were British settlers in Ireland and use of English language. In Poland’s case it was virtually the same, the only difference being it was Russia or Germany trying to force their language on us and eventually incorporate us into their realm. Propaganda was just another tool for them to achieve their objective, it’s not designed to win "hearts and minds", well maybe in the short term to pacify the population or at least keep it neutral and give it a common goal to strive for but in the long term its goal is to assimilate the conquered people.

Although some historians tend to treat Ireland as the exception because Ireland has neither successfully assimilated into the British state as Wales and Scotland have (but have they?), nor completely broken with Great Britain in a successful bid for independence as most of Britain's former colonies have because of the Northern Ireland situation, I see it as just their unique position and circumstances and only temporary. One can even find similarity between Northern Ireland and Królewiec situation. I find many similarities between Poland and Ireland and virtually no differences, it’s just that our unique situations make it appear so. Trust me Russians and Germans “wanted us” for the same reason as the English Crown wanted Ireland – territory and cheap labor that’s all (just another possession). It’s a bit more complicated in Russian case but it sure holds true when it comes to the Germans.
Piorun   
6 Dec 2008
News / Dalai Lama says: "POLAND HAS RETAINED ITS SPIRIT" [77]

I think one of the bigger differences between Irish history and Polish, is that the Brits never wanted us, as a people, they wanted our land for various defensive and imperial reasons but not the people, whereas the Commies wanted the "hearts and minds" of the Poles.

I have to disagree with this statement; I personally do not see the difference. Communism was an ideology with ultimate goal of Global domination. Although the propaganda might have painted this picture as such that was never the case.

Ceremonial rhetoric or fact?

Looking at U.S. where most of the people claim one nationality or another, I wonder why is that? We are who we are, we keep the traditions of our ancestors, we keep our native language, we are proud of who we are – no matter of what our present circumstances are or our nationality is. It does not matter if the history is kind to us or cruel, we are proud of who we are. As long as we consider ourselves separate distinct group from our bigger more powerful neighbors we are the keepers of that spirit.

Dali Lama is correct, as long as we keep that spirit we Do Exist. His people have not lost that spirit; neither did many others who do not exist as a separate identity on political map of the world today. His message is a message of hope for his own people as well as for others who would like to be independent some day. Yes it is a Fact; this was a perfect opportunity to keep the message alive for many around the world. It is his duty to do that for his people and as a Pole I’m proud of the fact that he used us as an example for others to keep the hope alive.
Piorun   
17 Nov 2008
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

I had some in restaurants that were not to my liking, too bland. Spicy is good the more spicy the better. I guess I prefer my mother’s cooking. Nothing like a taste from your childhood.
Piorun   
17 Nov 2008
Life / 3 reasons why you hate Poland. [1049]

Flaczki are the best!

Many of you that have traveled extensively and like to experiment with local cuisine most likely tried some "Tripe" without even realizing what you've eaten. Here's a sample of dishes made of "Tripe" from around the world. Be honest BubbaWoo, have you ever tried one of those dishes?

Personally I love Polish style Tripe Soup but it has to be home made not store bought.
Piorun   
10 Nov 2008
News / Polish-American soldier and his wife murdered by four marines [163]

Apparently so since Bush is a part of the executive and not legislative branch.

Bush has adopted the practice of appending whatever legislation sent to him that offends his Royal Hines, (a signing statement). In the signing statement he lets it be known that he may ignore the law signed by him. By means of an “Executive Order” the king can expand his authority and bypass any Law or create his own. Do you still insist on executive branch? More like a dictatorship but you still insist you have Democracy.