USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]


Your British expat community (tucked far away in the gated suburbs of course) doesn't represent Poland.

USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]

So as far as you are personally concerned Dabrowski, Kosciuszko, Brzezinski, John Paul II and many other Poles throughout history who lived abroad should have minded our own business especially during Poland's darkest moments.

Only you believe this because you are not Polish.

Poland's very existence has depended on Polonia's love for Poland and our direct involvement.

USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]


That's correct.

There is no formal legal designation or recognition for an American.

As far as the US Government and international diplomacy is concerned, there are only US persons (some of whom have US citizenship but not all), and they have residency in the individual states or territories where they live.

USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]


Is a dog born or living in a stable a horse?

USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]


Far from it. You complain that Polonia have a devil-may-care attitude towards life and others. Not really but in any case so what? Such an attitude is not that of a victim. I explained that Polonia live in an environment where they are met with either indifference or hostility; much like the history of Poland itself. Therefore Polonia absolutely have a responsibility to self first and only.


Sure, sure.

Just read through the old posts on here where the ex-communists and their British LBH buddies decry Polonia engagement in Polish matters (especially when it comes to voting) while simultaneously denigrating them for not being born in Poland or for not currently living in Poland.

Just read through the old posts on here where the ex-communists and their British LBH buddies champion unrestricted migration into Poland while condemning Polonia who simply warn of the dangers witnessed first hand of diversity abroad and how precedence also shows that diversity contributed to the collapse of the 1st and 2nd RPs.


Poland experienced decades and even centuries of occupation, oppression and even erasure. So don't think Polonia are ignoring everything. On the contrary, like our Polish ancestors (the true Poles) we are just biding our time. :)

USA, Canada / My grievances with the American-Polonia [54]

The PF record shows it has been caused disproportionately by the non-achieving British ex-pat community in Poland knowing full well they will always be the eternal foreigners and by them sneering at Polonia because the British are desperate to assuage their unremarkable but nevertheless unshakeable outsider status in Poland. The PF record also shows that it has been PRL-era clowns ignorant of trans-Atlantic history siding with the British because like any social climbers they put club membership (i.e., the EU even though the Limeys quit) above all else.


Yes, and the first two Polish-American heroes fought and lead the defeat of the British in America. So Polonia have indeed been carrying on tradition; something grifting ex-communists in Poland would never do even though the British have a history of stabbing Poland in the back.


America is a highly competitive, consumerist society where Polish history is not taught in schools and Poland rarely gets a mention beyond the Holocaust and even then Poland is not held in a favorable light. And, as mentioned in other threads, Hollywood has maliciously and deliberately portrayed Poles and Poland with negative stereotypes and outright lies in the public mind.

You then went on to say that you and others see another civil war brewing. No surprise there. America is an extremely diverse nation. The higher the diversity the lower the social trust.There have been academic studies demonstrating this.

Here are America's long standing social priorities (in order): Jews, women, blacks, homosexuals, latinos, asian-pacific islanders, native tribes.

Given this factual background it's not clear why you feel Polonia have a responsibility "to be mending the great divide between the republicans and democrats" and to others when neither political party or anyone else for that matter gives a toss about Polonia or Poland and only serve up scorn when they do have something to say.

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1694]


Wow, so as a very senior career politician Tusk needs ideas from the public? Now that's what you call an empty suit!

Actually, Tusk was given ideas. Specifically from the Belarusian opposition. All the way back in 2016!

"The Belarusian opposition hopes that Tusk as EC President will increase the EU's attention towards Belarus, including boosting support for civil society and greater attention to security in the East European region."

Link to the quote: belarusinfocus.info/international-relations/tusk-eu-head-will-mean-more-attention-belarus-brussels-predict-belarus

That was four years (FOUR YEARS!) ago!

But clearly, Król Donald has had other priorities such as his compensation package.

Here is a headline from just last year:

Donald Tusk's STAGGERING salary EXPOSED: How EU chief earns TWICE as much as Theresa May

Link to the headline: express.co.uk/news/uk/1085538/eu-news-donald-tusk-brexit-theresa-may-salary-jean-claud-juncker-spt

And what was Tusk's message to the Belarusian people on a few days ago? You are on your own!

Well, that has certainly been the case as far as Tusk is concerned and for well over a decade now.

The Belarusian opposition should have got the message sent early on from the Polish people and PO's thumping defeat at the polls that Tusk was not a man to be trusted.

News / What should Poland do with the problem of Belarus? [1694]


So true.

Your hero Donald Tusk had seven years (SEVEN YEARS!) in office as PM to do something! What did he do? Nothing.

Not a thing.

Even today your EU king refuses to roll up his sleeves and get his hands dirty:

Donald Tusk: It Is Only Belarusians Who Can Decide In What Kind Of Country You Want To Live

Link to the headline quoting Tusk's indifference: charter97.org/en/news/2020/8/5/388291/

Work / Can I find a non-corporate job in Poland? [34]


You said everyone is needed.

I rightly pointed out there isn't enough room. There aren't enough jobs for everyone either and the quality of life would deteriorate as the population rises.

You for some reason began talking about race in terms of black and white only.

Are you saying certain non-corporate jobs in Poland should be off limits to everyone except your preferred chosen few?

Work / Can I find a non-corporate job in Poland? [34]


By all means.



Whad ya think?

Poland's current rabbihood is definitely a non-corporate job in need of some diversity, wouldn't you say?

Work / Can I find a non-corporate job in Poland? [34]


There are well over 7 billion people on the planet. There isn't enough room in Poland unless something like this is your plan:

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]

No, you are just an ESL sufferer who can't follow along. You are forgiven.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


There are two separate threads going on Dmowski and the Home Army and in each one you are enthusiastically critical of both.

It's pretty clear that you operate according to the following equations:

Polish Patriotism = Fascism

Zionism =

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


There is no such thing.


You speak from a position of comfort won for you by true Poles like Dmowski and the Home Army.

Even JPII never told true Poles during the Cold War to accept the fate of Soviet occupation and instead love the communists who oppressed and terrorized them.

Poland would not be here today with your call for passivity and "love all" lecturing.

You are not a Polish patriot but rather a Kakapo patriot.

This is why PiS needs to make the necessary investments in modernizing Poland's defenses. They know that bitter unrepentant communist Zionist subversives like yourself would gladly give Poland away while at the same time wildly screaming your head off that Israel has a right to exist.

Anyway, as a Catholic you should be aware that even Jesus became violent when push came to shove.



Even he knew that weakness never garners mutual respect.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


If you believe Jews are 100% Polish then why wouldn't you be interested in mutual respect and responsibilities?

Can you answer this or do you need to first get permission from your hasbara paymasters?


Yawn.

Such juvenile and cumbersome thinking. At best, a plagarized scene from a comic book.


I don't want to either. There is no loss for not knowing. Remember, you said he was an author but not a famous or even a good author.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


What duties do Jews have towards all decent Catholic Poles?


Finally, something we can agree on.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]

True, he seems to have some sort of covenant with them.

That, or they are paying him with peanuts and bananas per post.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


Once again, you were hoist with your own petard.

The truth is always difficult for you to face when your propaganda collapses from facts. Especially the ones you provide thinking they will support your anti-Polish, pro-semetic bias.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


Like I said, they were boycotting the Polish economy.

And thanks for your attempt at refuting this with this example because you actually proved my point.

It says it all really that it required taxation rather than voluntary commerce and good will for this guest community to give back to their Polish host.


It said nothing about Jews spending any of their money in non-Jewish businesses or giving back to the Polish community.

Sure it talks about low prices and the perceived quality of service on offer but nothing about the quality of the goods sold to Poles vice their own kind.

But thanks for sharing your link. It's a very interesting and revealing website. On other pages, for example, it does indeed talk about your quip regarding charity. It is mentioned under the section where it talks about the shtetls carrying on a tradition of "self-containment". So, in other words, the only charity giving that was done was amongst themselves. Indeed, the site states that donations were collected from everyone and nothing about relying on "rich Jews" as you falsely claimed.

Oddly, this same paragraph talks about punishments carried out in the shtetl like "a pillory, or whipping." Can you say "human rights violations"? Bizarrely, the most severe punishment is regarded as being expelled from the shtetl. Really? They actually thought public corporal punishment wasn't as bad as being told to leave a community enforced through violence?

Were Poles mentioned? Of course! Under the section praising multiculturalism it says that "a Gentile could act as a Shabbes goy for his Jewish neighbors." Isn't that wonderful? Poles could not only patron Jewish business (unreciprocated) but they could also do chores for them around their homes. Note too that it says they could "act" as a Shabbes goy. Nothing is mentioned about being compensated. But this shouldn't be surprising because halakhic restrictions meant Jews couldn't hire labor on or for their Sabbath. Thank God for taxation, huh?!

Here is the link to read this and more absurdities: teatrnn.pl/lexicon/articles/towns-of-the-lublin-region-shtetl/


The only thing simple is that as a propagandist you want to give the world a very one-sided, overly simplistic view of Poland's past. Jews are always good, Poles are irredeemably bad.

Odd then that as a Marxist agitator who demands diversity in Poland today you are actually demonstrating through your biased postings and stark omissions that it never worked and was never beneficial to Polish society in the past.

But do carry on.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


You avoided answering my earlier question about how much Jewish business owners spent in non-Jewish businesses and towards non-Jewish community projects.

If you don't provide an answer (or slough it off by saying others should do the research) then you are admitting that the Jewish community was actively boycotting the wider Polish economy even if they weren't running stories in their own low circulation newspapers to do so.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


You are the one spreading propaganda. And propaganda relies on overly simplistic imagery and statements which the propagandists would prefer they never to have to explain so instead they change the topic or shift the burden onto others.


How do you know they were so-called neo-Nazis when it was pointed out to you that the Nazi party was German and Poles were not Nazis but rather victims of the Nazis?

What you are describing above is today called doxxing and goes hand in hand with cancel culture. These are peculiar and notorious vengeance tactics used exclusively by violent intolerant totalitarian leftwing extremists when they can't explain or defend their radical positions.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]

There is nothing wrong with educating consumers that they have choice.

You claim (without proof) that Jews offered cheaper products (but notably you didn't say they were of a better quality) and better customer service (but notably you didn't qualify how it was better).

So, let's keep it simple for you. How much did these Jewish shops reinvest in non-Jewish community projects and spend in non-Jewish shops vice their own communities and businesses?

History / Cursed soldiers controvercy - not all Poles respect them [266]


Oh? You are a true Polish patriot, huh?

Who is your president?

Say his name loud and say it proud!

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


No, problem. Go to your post #156 in this thread. Here, I'll quote you for the benefit of others since I'm sure you'll continue to claim you never said it.



Of course. Like I pointed out previously, when challenged you don't want to explain yourself because you can't and therefore need to move on to other topics.

Thanks again for proving me correct.

History / Cursed soldiers controvercy - not all Poles respect them [266]


It is important to have perspective for this thread and all others on PolishForums when certain Poland-hating posters hypocritically get on their high horse and use shaming language on other posters who are Polish or have kindred love for Poland.

The first who reach for shaming language are those raised as card-carrying communists in Soviet occupied Poland. They and their families benefitted immensely and got very comfortable jobs for life (well, at least until communism fell which they foolishly thought would never happen). Under communism they got the latest appliances and access to choice property which was far out of reach of true Poles. As communists they took for granted that they could take trips abroad while true Poles were subjected daily to Soviet oppression and terror all across Poland between 1947 - 1989. So any propaganda their beloved Communist Party declared in the last century (like demonizing the Home Army) they still believe it today and foolishly continue to defend their lost cause. They resent that today their communist credentials are something to be laughed at and always rightfully condemned. They are still flabbergasted that even their fellow communists at the time found Jewish hatred and oppression of Poles coupled with their unvarnished Zionism to be too much to tolerate any further thus resulting in their expulsion in 1968. They are outraged that the Polish public today is not calling for any of these expelled Zionists to return. They fume that instead it is the Home Army which is rightfully and publicly given honor, respect, and granted the esteemed position of being brave and inspirational role models for Poland's 21st century youth and beyond.

The second are those wanna-be communists predominately from Britain. They grew-up resenting that they lived in a class structured society and from a position at the bottom which they could never rise up from. Being British they wanted and genuinely believed they deserved all the insider benefits that would come by simply aligning themselves with communism. And being old meant that when they decided to go to Poland they would never have had to endure the horrors of communism but could still benefit from its fallout like lower cost of living and socialized services they never paid into. Therefore communism was still good and never to be questioned. By extension, since communist leaders like the work-shy hypocrite Marx, the murdering psychopath Trotsky, the Soviet lickspittle Bierut, and other notorious communists were Jewish that means in their heads all Jews can do no wrong either and if anything is found to be criminal or lacking in their character that means it is be denied, denied, denied and projected onto non-Jews; preferably Poles.

The third are those who don't believe in communism and never would. However, they intoxicatingly admire the self-segregating livelihoods and misplaced superiority complex they see in the Jewish community and like good cuckolds they overlook the fact that Jews want nothing to do with them in return. Jews live the way they would want to live: apart from others, better than others, and never questioned by others. Such persons can be found predominately from the American South. They have very fond memories (which they would never admit to) of a lost past where segregation was normal and which their ancestors benefitted from and which they too continued to benefit from under its legacy. Under the guise of born-again Christianity (and/or a latent, simmering, deep seated resentment of having lost the Civil War), they worship the Jewish State of Israel because it is the current embodiment of their very own bygone way of life. They will deflect criticism and point out that since Jesus was a Jew and all Jews are amusingly self-declared as being "God's chosen people" that by default means all Jews are good and beyond any criticism (even though they have no problem themselves shoveling criticism out onto non-Jews). In their warped logic they can't lose with their philosemitism. They can openly adore a foreign apartheid country rather than being a productive, contributing member in the diverse America their ancestors lost against. They actually believe their idolatry of Israel and Jews at large will either fulfill their fairytale story of a Messianic return or they can still use it to hopefully explain their way into a heavenly afterlife. I've heard some of these characters have actually converted to Judaism "to be closer to Jesus" but clearly it gives them an excuse to live a segregated life without being criticized for doing so. They may go to Israel as tourists to give their moral and financial support. But they are keenly aware they could never settle there thanks to DNA screening and that's where Poland comes in. Poland gives them the opportunity to live in a predominately white country like their ancestors once did while hopefully scoring some virtue signaling points of sanctifying all things Judaic and engaging in ad hom attacks against all those who don't join with them in worship of their idols.

So if anyone here starts with their smug empty-headed shaming language against Poles and Polonophiles just refer to any of the above categories to see where they fall into and what sort of frighteningly dysfunctional upbringing these sociopathic critics had themselves.

You're welcome.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


Again, you are completely lost in the contradictions of your propaganda hoping no one will ever notice and call you out on it.

One moment you are insisting Jews are 100% Polish. The next moment (when it conveniently suits your narrative) suddenly they are reverentially distinct, always good, and nothing and never like the irredeemably evil Poles.

In your head, they are Jews when its time for accolades and pity and they are Poles when its time for personal responsibility and being held to account.

Your logic is no different than when a business seeks to privatize its profits and then strives to socialize its liabilities.


You mean the documented truth like Zionist maniacs residing in Poland who actively sought "to come to terms with the modern world without surrendering their ethnic identity"?

You mean there have never been boys only and girls only schools in Poland regardless of the local community they served?

You mean students were never and are never separated for things like physical activity and curricula?

That students never self-segregate into social groups they personally and naturally prefer to be in during and after school?


You vociferously claimed it was a law only a few posts ago but thanks to me pointing out how totally wrong you were you had no choice but to climb down and admit that your so-called law never existed. Nice try though attempting to save face by saying "they didn't have to pass any laws."

Everyone here knows you are an unrepentant communist (your side lost by the way) but the vast majority of people simply do not want government micromanaging anything at the local level.

If you knew anything about teaching you would know that teachers want, need and deserve to have control over their classrooms. There is nothing out of the ordinary to assign seating if students are unruly or would benefit by it if they have difficulty seeing, hearing or paying attention during lessons.

If politically charged Zionist students did not and would not identify as Poles then it was clearly beneficial to teachers, the Zionist agitators, and Polish students to assign seating accordingly and maintain order in the classroom.

Jews have always had their own pre-university schools and there is no record or legacy of them doing outreach and having non-Jews attend them.

If they had a problem with any policies at Polish universities then they shouldn't have gone to them in the first place or they should have set up their own.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


But you always claim Jews are Polish and Jews themselves practiced segregated seating amongst themselves even in schools.

So you better explain this contradiction in your propaganda.


Yes, it was a lie.

It was never a law enacted by the Polish government.

It was a policy at the university level.

Big difference.

But prove me wrong.

Provide a copy of this so-called "bench ghetto segregation law." Chapter, verse, and law code number.

Provide the names of the Jewish members of the Sejm during this period who either voted for or against this so-called "bench ghetto segregation law."

Also, give us numbers for the Jewish students who left their universities because of such seating arrangements and those who stayed and finished.

You can do all this, right? Or are you going to change the topic? My safe bet is that you, of course, will do the latter.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


Nope. But the pattern you consistently display (like others here with your lefty mindset) is to never explain yourself and talk about something else. Oh, and you always show how nervous you are about having an honest conversation by shouting slurs at those of us who are willing to challenge your propaganda.


See, digression. Thanks for proving my point.

But sorry, the test I gave you is over and you can't take it again. You failed.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


You had only two True or False questions to answer with hints plus the chance to earn some bonus points.

You failed and you only have yourself to blame.


Oh, so the Jewish students at university had nothing in common at all with chasidim Jews. Do tell us more.

History / Roman Dmowski-Patriot, Nationalist, Anti-Semite? [237]


LOL!

You are quite the sophomoric student in serious need of a long overdue lesson.

A) True or False, Jews have a long tradition of separating men and women in their community during religious services and school teaching for all age groups and is still practiced by some Jewish communities today.

Hint:



B) True or False, shtetls in Poland were market towns which were freely inhabited and exclusively by Jews where they enjoyed social stability, homogeneity, and the preservation of their own language, traditions and religious practices.

Hint:



Bonus points if you can not only identify the above structures and where they stand today but also provide a full explanation as to why marauding "bench ghetto"-enforcing Poles never raised them to the ground.

Extra bonus points if you can explain why the above structures are so amusingly large for a community which you propagandize as being segregated, downtrodden, poor and therefore oh-so deserving of everyone's pity and unreserved apologies.