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osiol   
11 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

With german it's the same...

Is that madchen that's neuter? Where's the logic in that?

Grammatical gender, especially for an English speaker, is all nonsensical other than when talking about actual gender. Even then, I don't suppose it is a necessity in language, just as some languages (I am led to believe) don't have different forms for plurals.
osiol   
11 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

But Hausmeerschweinchen is umlautless, so I wouldn't know if it's masculine, feminine or neuter. Świnka morska is quite clearly feminine. Guinea pig is quite clearly genderless because it's English, so it will either be it or have gender based on its actual biological gender. I'm never really sure what to do when talking about a male guinea pig in Polish.

where two parts of a verb are at opposite sites of a sentence

Do you mean when się, for example, is nowhere near the verb it's qualifying or is there something even more difficult and awkward going on?
osiol   
11 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Not only do children have to be corrected with the mistakes they make in language, adults also make mistakes. A lot of children find th sounds difficult. Some perpetuate these mistakes into adulthood. My Polish ladyfriend sometimes corrects her children when they get something wrong, usually in one of those curious dark corners of the Polish language such as collective numbers. Then she texts me with spelling mistakes that even I can spot. Actually, I don't see any text messages coming this way any more.
osiol   
12 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Somebody mentioned Esperanto, but didn't put it at the top of easiness to learn. It is far simpler than English because the spelling system is entirely straightforward. In the language, there are 16 rules to learn and no irregularities. For someone who speaks English or one of the Romance languages, it is so easy it is actually almost boring. For speakers of other Latin-influenced languages, it is also quite simple.

It was invented by a man in Białystok whose day-to-day life called for him to speak Polish, Russian and Yiddish, and as a doctor he needed an understanding of Latin, and it was also in the latter days of dominance of the French language and the rise of English. I suppose he just needed one more language to complete the set and no-one had published any Navaho, Nahuatl or Fang grammars that were readily available.

My father took an interest in Esperanto, and when I was about 10 years old, we went to the annual international Esperanto conference which was in Brighton that year. I spent most of my time at the ice rink, on the beach or strolling around the interesting streets there, but it was interesting to see people of almost every nationality, speaking to eachother in a language which was nobody's first langauge, a language with no government or army or other possible serious negative connotations.

Of course, Esperanto speakers are just a bunch of rope-sandal wearing vegetarian dreamers. Are those things negative connotiations? A more serious problem Esperanto has is the myth that it means to supplant national languages or mother tongues. It's original concept is good, but these days people seem to communicate the world over with "lol", "lmao", "fail" and "brb".
osiol   
13 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I think the goat may have been saying there is no inherant need in language for there to be any grammatical gender. Not only is a table being masculine and a spoon being feminine nonsensical, but even with actual gender, it is not essential for there to be a difference with words and or grammar when talking about him or her.
osiol   
13 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I'm not saying any genders should be dropped and I'm not saying we should speak an artificial language. Just look at what is essential in communication and what isn't. Look out - Polish has lost of few of its old features - you're down to only three tenses and two numbers and allegedly the vocative is slipping away. Something else will be next.

I can't imagine gender disappearing in Polish either but based on the IE derived three gender system being whittled down to two in most European languages and in some cases only one, this kind of thing is possible.
osiol   
13 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

osiol - no vocative is not slipping away - maybe it is more rarely used than in the centuries gone by

I argumentatively said what I said about the vocative because I hear kids using it. That tells me that it has plenty of life left in it. But when people use it wrongly, it is either a case of altering irregularities into regular forms or, as is less likely, vice versa. The old English word bōc (book) had a plural bōces (pronounced like the word bookies). As fōt and fōtes (footies) developed into foot and feet, bōces developed into beek, but for some odd linguistic reason, during the early Middle English period, it was corrected to the more logical plural of books, although feet never became foots. This could be an example of hypercorrection, although maybe not so hyper.
osiol   
16 Apr 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

I believe some of the Central American languages make a distinction between creaky and non-creaky vocal sounds, rather like the kind of affectation people often make when imitating the very old or like the aaarrgghh that one of the Eric Idle characters in the Holy Grail makes when he's deciphering something written on the wall of a cave.
osiol   
16 Apr 2009
Genealogy / Why Polish aren't white?? [272]

propaganda by moviemakers

Anton Diffring played loads of Nazi German roles with his blond hair and blue eyes and ability to be sinister.
osiol   
22 Apr 2009
Language / Polish Swear Words [1242]

You'd be suprised

Kurwa I'm not suprised at all.
osiol   
29 Apr 2009
Love / What do Polish girls think about Gypsies? [116]

Romani is a word that has nothing to do with the names Romania or Rome (after which Romania is named). Some Romani do come from Romania, but the similarities in name are purely coincidental.
osiol   
10 May 2009
Genealogy / Are all Poles blue eyed and blonde? [451]

I could go through a whole list of Poles I know or have known and give you their hair colours. One of the most common colours seems to be grey, but there might be another reason for this. Family A in Lomza all have dark hair unless they've gone grey. Family B in Slough, although from somewhere in eastern Poland, three have blond hair, one light brown and one dark brown hair and one who used to have dark hair.

Of these 11 people:
3 blond
1 light brown
7 dark brown

Even when I thought of more people, this kind of balance didn't shift dramatically, although definitely more of an increase in the count for light brown haired people.
osiol   
10 May 2009
Life / Winter in Poland? [161]

Białystok's not all bad, surely. I've seen it from a car window and the view from one particular car park. Aaah! Great days! There was snow at the time.
osiol   
10 May 2009
Language / Polish or any Slavic language key to any other Slavic languages? [126]

ALL Polish vowels are short monothongs, the sole exception being the " ł " in words like "osioł"

I'd have said the ł in words like jabłko make more of an exception. There are dipthongs formed with a vowel + ł or a vowel + j. Nasal vowels, when articulated as such seem to be slightly longer.

Old Church Slavonic could be the key to Slavic languages generally, partly because it was from a time before the languages had diverged very far, and I believe it was an invented language that pulled together different elements that speakers of different Slavic languages could all understand... kilkaset rok temu... or something like that.
osiol   
10 May 2009
Language / learning Polish using American phonics [24]

Imagine you will be eating Polish for the next week.

Each meal will consist of a starter (phonetics), a main course (vocabulary) and a dessert (grammar).
It's nice to plan your meals ahead, but you only eat one meal at a time and one course at a time, otherwise it would taste horrible, give you bellyache and be too much for your alimentary canal to cope with. However, whilst tucking into Monday's nosh, you should be aware that by Saturday there will be a huge dessert, all of which you might not be able to eat in one sitting.

On Monday, have a big starter of pronunciation, followed by two much lighter courses of vocabulary and grammar.
On Tuesday, you need your starter, but the main course can be a little more substantial. That way, you have more words with which to practice your pronunciation.

On Wednesday, you can indulge in a bigger dessert which will make the meal feel a little more complete and digestible.
... and so on.

When people give guides to pronunciation, be very careful to note who is giving the explanation and what variety of English they speak. As a southern Englishman, if I say something sounds like the letter a, an American might say it sounds like the letter o. Chances are, when descibing Polish, neither of us actually hit the mark and are too accustomed to the kind of hors d'oeuvre with which we start dinner in our own country.
osiol   
18 May 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Estonian looks very similar to Finnish but with shorter words. It seems that rather than having to learn endings and prepositions, you only have to learn endings. Maybe it's not entirely as straightforward as that, but somewhere in storage I have a load of books left over from some jumble sales a few years ago, and I think there might be a teach yourself Estonian book there. One day, when I've long since given up with Polish and even decided not to bother with Portuguese (I think that's supposed to be my second choice), I shall have a look.
osiol   
19 May 2009
Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]

Shetland was historically a Norse society. The language known as Norn was spoken there, in Orkney and the very far north of Scotland. It was a direct descendent of Old Norse, just as the still-spoken Icelandic and Faeroese languages are. Some kind of deal was done between Norway (or possibly some sort of Norwegian-Danish monarchy) and Shetland was handed over to Scotland and settled by Scottish landlords. I'm not sure whether they spoke Gaelic or Scots (the English language's northern twin). As the English language came to prevail over Scotland generally, so it came to be spoken in these northern Islands too.

It is possible that Gaelic was never spoken here and that the language spoken by Shetlanders shifted from Norn to English with a heavy Norse-influence. I have heard it being spoken and it doesn't sound particularly Scottish. If anything, it resembles the English of the far north of England (where there was also a lot of Norse influence, only this time much further back in history).
osiol   
19 May 2009
Genealogy / Polish looks? [1462]

No-one has a symmetrical face. The only part of the body that is symmetrical is the pupil of the eye that beholds all the asymmetrical people of this world.
osiol   
20 May 2009
USA, Canada / Can Polish people go to university in the USA (easily) ? [22]

marry illegally

How does a couple marry illegally? Maybe it's not just a couple or something. Marrying whilst shoplifting? Marrying with your fingers crossed? Marrying whilst parked on a double yellow line (or the American equivalent thereof)? Marrying in a ceremony conducted by a fake priest?
osiol   
14 Jun 2009
Life / Polish plantlife and similar flora where you live. [81]

Cherry (Prunus spp.) - Do pigeons eat all the cherries before they're ripe. This can be a common occurence when there are pigeons around. Other birds eat them but are usually a little more patient. The only real answer is strategically placed netting. The Romans actually deliberately caught birds for food using the Mountain Ash tree (Sorbus aucuparia). Aucuparia actually means bird catcher.

Apple (Malus domestica) - Remember to pick off the underdeveloped apples at the end of the season or they stay on the tree and can go rock hard and even host pests and diseases. The tree will produce more fruit if you do this. Another good idea, if your apples are too small, pick about half of them off long before they are ripe. The remaining apples can then grow bigger as there is more water and energy available to them. Very small apples are pretty much useless, and it's better to have a few larger apples than lots of small ones.

The stuff in the third picture, I don't know about. The totem pole looks like a conifer that may very well be dead. Dead trees can still harbour wildlife, so I'd be inclined to leave it alone and shift operations elsewhere. An old peach that seems to be past it's use by date should actually be removed. It too will harbour wildlife, but not always the kind of wildlife you want - pests and diseases may be lurking there. The easiest thing to do is get a new tree and plant it somewhere else.

The final picture is of a vine. As with the apple, it may be a good idea to thin out the grapes when they are still small. Remove a load of bunches so that the others can grow more instead. It should be in as warm and sunny a position as possible. If this means moving it, then wait until winter, then dig it up and move it. Winter is also the time to remove branches - cut it back to a manageable size. It flowers on the current year's growth, so don't worry about cutting too much off. To prevent damage by heavy bunches of grapes weighing the branches down, make sure it has something to grow on, either wires or a trellis. You will notice how it grows tendrils that wrap around anything available to support itself.

So some of the crucial things to think about are: members of the rose family (roses, apples, pears, plums, peaches) don't like to grow in the same spot as another member of the rose family has recently grown in.

Cutting back for most deciduous plants should be done in the winter. For fruit trees, cutting too much can result in a year without flowers or fruit. Ornamental plants are usually better cut back at the end of flowering.

I'm sure there is more worth mentioning, but I'm off now to have a game of Scrabble. I look forward to more plants and more pictures.
osiol   
15 Jun 2009
Life / Polish plantlife and similar flora where you live. [81]

Roses are linked to them? wow, How come the rest produce fruit?.

Roses do produce fruit, commonly called rosehips. They contain a lot of vitamin C, but I think that unprepared, they're inedible. I have tried syrup made from rosehips and it was delicious.

Rosaceae (Rose family):
Prunus: cherry, peach, plum, almond (wiśnia, brzoskwinia, śliwa, drzewo migdałowe)
Malus: apple (jabłoń)
Pyrus: pear (grusza)
Rosa: rose (róża)

In Poland and the UK (and generally in this part of the world), there are native cherries, native crab apples and native roses. There may be pears native to Poland, but the fruiting species and varieties all originate from other parts of the world.

Another plant family with a lot of edible species as well as ornamental garden plants, is the carrot family, Apiaceae, also known as Umbelliferae or umbellifers. This includes carrot, parsley, celery, beetroot, turnip, swede, caraway and others. The last time I cooked barszcz, I noticed that almost everything I put in it was a member of this family.

butterflies

My guess is that Buddleia in Polish is Buddleja. The j-spelling is also used in English nowadays.

If nobody asks me about anything specific, in my next post I will talk about some of the plants that are native to Poland.
osiol   
15 Jun 2009
Life / Polish plantlife and similar flora where you live. [81]

The WWF has a system of ecoregions to describe the different arrangements of flora and fauna around the world. Poland has a foot in the Central European Mixed Forests (the south of the country, with similar highland habitats as in Austria, Czech and Slovakia and so on), and another foot in the Baltic Mixed Forests of Denmark, Germany and southern Sweden. Just touching Poland is the much more evocative Sarmatic Mixed Forest that stretches from the Baltic states and eastern Scandinavia and deep into European Russia, populated by bison, bears and fir trees.

In all of these manmade divisions of the natural world, the oak tree is an important feature. More precisely, the pedunculate oak, Quercus robur. Dąb szypułkowy. Also important are beech / buk / Fagus sylvatica, hornbeam / grab / Carpinus betulus and birch / brzoza / Betula pendula.

Much of the vast stretches of Scots Pine / sosna / Pinus sylvestris are an artificial addition to the landscape. It is a native tree as it is in the British Isles, but similarly to there, it was planted in huge numbers where naturally the dominant tree species would be oak. This coniferous plantation doesn't support the same diversity of wildlife as the native woodland would, although many of the ground layer plants continue to live on under a different tree canopy.

Another important feature I had always noticed in the Polish countryside is the vast number of small orchards. Poland seems to grow enough apples to supply the world (or perhaps they are more often used as juice to take the edge off shot after shot of Polish vodka). These orchards, along with small fields divided by hedgerows must play a vital part in Poland's wildlife. I want pictures!

I'm sure we have people here living in all corners of the country. When people say they don't so much have garden than forest, I would like to know what kind of forest. Whether you know what the plants are or not, I want pictures!

Hg witham fogg ( theres a name )

I wonder if Polish garden experts have such bizarre names as Bob Flowerdew, Bunny Guinness, Gay Search and so on.