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Atch   
21 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

My favorite are the red skinned yellow flush.

I wonder if they're anything like our Rooster potatoes in Ireland. They have a very red skin and yellow flesh, good for any kind of recipe, make delicious chips (that's fries to you sir!).

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rooster_potato

Polly, you're a gentleman. Thank you.
Atch   
21 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

I believe they are to be boiled

You are a delight, honestly. You have to boil them first, in order to mash them ma cherie! So if they're good for boiling they'll be good for mashing.
Atch   
21 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

Well you see the thing is Chemikiem that in Ireland our red skinned potatoes are floury, not waxy. 'Rooster is a red-skinned, yellow-fleshed cultivar of potato, duller in colour than the Désirée, with floury yellow flesh.' from the link I posted earlier. There are so many variations.
Atch   
22 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

Popped into Auchan this morning and lo and behold, they have bags of spuds designated for baking and others for boiling, so I'll try each of those varieties and see how it goes. Will attempt a nice fluffy mash on Sunday with the baking variety I think. Will report back on my results. I'm sure you'll all be waiting with suitably bated breath and possibly even sleepless nights in the meantime.

By the way thank you InPolska, it was you who inspired me to investigate Auchan, after your mention of the bags of spuds in Carrefour. Auchan is nearer to me so a bit handier.
Atch   
22 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

In France, people buy potatoes according to the way they want to prepare them and therefore potatoes are clearly named on labels.

everybody there knows that each kind of potatoes is more or less suitable for such or such a way of cooking.

Yes it's like that in Ireland too. People are quite fussy about potatoes and they definitely won't just buy a bag of generic spuds. They expect to find certain varieties on offer.

Believe me, using the right kind of potatoe makes the dish tastier.

Yes, it's essential. It's just that unless I was cooking for guests, I would just eat it anyway, rather than waste the food. My husband is the same. He'd have a fit if I suggested chucking something in the bin. I think both Irish and Polish people have a horror of waste for different reasons. With Poles, food shortages during communist times and with Irish the weird kind of subconscious, collective 'memory' of the famine probably contribute to the sense that food can't be thrown away.
Atch   
22 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

In France it's been like that for ages.

Oh yes, in Ireland too, I think it's always been like that. Certainly my grandmother knew her spuds and was tremendously fussy about them.
Atch   
22 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

a long discussion about whether the potatoes were 'floury or soapy'....:)

Yes, yes, my grandparents lived with us and I grew up listening to lengthy discussions between my mother and grandmother about spuds, meat and the texture of cakes, especially sponge which had to be just the right fluffiness;a sponge that came out 'rubbery' caused great consternation. Even my grandfather would join in 'Mary, what happened with the sponge?' and the post mortem as to why this horror had occurred could go on intermittently for a few days 'God, wasn't it terrible about the sponge? Could it have been the eggs do you think?' The word might even get round the neighbourhood in our little village 'Mary, I hear that coffee sponge was very rubbery but don't worry I didn't say anything to Mrs Hennessey' (or whoever my grandmother/mother's arch enemy was). Soapy potatoes were not favoured at all in my house anyway and it was quite likely that a greengrocer would never be visited again if the potatoes weren't up to scratch.

I always ask what kind of potato is in the stew or soup when I eat at a fancy restaurant while in a foreign country.
I want to them to perceive that I come from an affluent United States background to impress everybody.

Ha, ha! But it's nothing pretentious with the Irish. Our national cuisine is very simple but the potato always formed such a major part of it I suppose it meant a lot to people.
Atch   
22 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

never have had a shop bought cake or biscuit would they?

My grandmother never, and my grandfather wouldn't have tolerated it! He suffered greatly with his digestion as they used to say and wouldn't touch anything except my granny's or my mother's home cooking. My mother though, would buy cakes in the shop from time to time, but from a proper cake shop/bakery, not from the supermarket. She once told me of a bakery my granny used to frequent run by two spinster sisters who had studied the art of pastry making and confectionery in France and Italy. The cakes were 'magnificent' and you should hear the passion she put into that word! And when they died, she concluded, investing the words with the greatest drama, 'the recipes died with them' her voice sinking to a whisper of despair for the loss of such magnificence.
Atch   
23 Oct 2015
Love / Asking a Polish man to marry me... [10]

I've also never heard of a man wearing an engagement ring. However I know that there's a tradition amongst European nobility of exchanging betrothal gifts which persists to this day and would take the form of jewellery. I know of a couple where the girl received a bracelet from her fiancee and she gave him a pair of cufflinks. The gifts were formally exchanged in front of the two families on the day when they held a reception to officially mark the engagement. These customs generally date from a time when marriage was about consolidating property and dynasties, so the gifts had great significance as indicators of the wealth of the two families and the giving of a valuable gift demonstrated the seriousness of the pledge. I'm Irish, married to a Pole and he did the proposing. I had an engagement ring, he didn't.
Atch   
23 Oct 2015
News / Poland Parliamentary elections 2015 [1060]

What an utterly bizarre poll! Why would anyone even ask the question 'would you object to living beside a family with an IVF conceived child'??
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Food / Best Polish Potato Variety for Mashing [67]

Will attempt a nice fluffy mash on Sunday with the baking variety I think. Will report back on my results.

Make a promise, keep a promise, so here I am. Sadly you must remain in a state of agonised suspense as I ended up making dumplings, rather than mash. They were very nice dumplings actually with dijon mustard and herbs. However, in an interesting twist to the potatoe crisis, when I asked my husband about the best potatoes for mashing he responded in typical Polish fashion 'the cheapest'. He refuses to spend double the amount per kilo for the baking variety and insists that it is possible to make floury spuds from any variety if they're cooked 'properly'. He plans to demonstrate this feat of alchemy next weekend so stay tuned for futher updates.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / Is "Polish person - Atheist" an oxymoron? [24]

The current pope loves gays, atheists and muslims. He is not representative of the Catholic experience during the past 1000 years.

Yes he should be eliminated as they supposedly did to JP I and replaced with a Polish pope, but only one who's 'a Polish patriot, in the tradition of Adam Mickiewicz'. Are you volunteering to do the job??
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / Is "Polish person - Atheist" an oxymoron? [24]

Yes and you know the interesting thing about the whole love/hate thing is the number of people who link the two together. I love God and I love my country so that equals hating everything and everybody else. Now that's not just Catholics, some fundamentalist Christians are like that, some Muslims, Jews seem to be remarkably free of that on the whole, Yes, yes, I know people will mention Israel and the conflicts in the middle east but Jews on the whole don't seem to be as filled with hate for those who think differently to them. Perhaps it's because they don't seek converts in the way the others do. After all Christians and Muslims still actively seek to recruit new followers. Jews don't really seem to care about someone else's faith or lack of it.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

To you taking kids to church to you may be vile

She didn't say that. It's not the people who go to church that she has an issue with. It's you dear, and your constant snide comments. What you do Polly, is this: you use a thread to ostensibly discuss a particular matter eg isn't it great to see children in church on Sunday, but in fact it's merely a prop for you to segue into your real reason for posting, which is to annoy and provoke other people.

What annoys me about you and other Christians on this forum

Can we make that 'some' other Christians Chemikiem. I'm a Catholic and I certainly don't display those attitudes. And bear in mind that being Irish and having been raised in a Catholic country I rarely encountered people with those views. There are some conservative, traditional Catholics certainly who might be a bit disapproving or genuinely worried about the state of religion in the country, but they lack the spite, the malice and the sneering attitude of Polonius. He is by no means a typical Catholic and his attitudes are more to do with his own personal view of the world than with Catholicism.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

I have Christian and non Christian friends. I respect their views.

Of course you do pet, because you're normal! Himself is just being deliberately awkward so that he can have a good old row of some kind with somebody.

I'm sure there are people who would be turned off by the general ambience of the children's mass referred to earlier

But why are you even bothering to mention such people??

I personally like the practice and general ambiance of churchgoing families i

And good luck to you. So do I.
Now, what I'd be interested to hear, is what form the mass took, what was the sermon like? Did you feel it was child-centred? Did the priest engage directly with the children? What made it a childrens' mass apart from there being a lot of children present? What if any solution would you suggest for the screamers and squealers and fidgeters?
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

In the States, where schools try to teach via fun and games, some parishes hold a clown ministry. What do you think of that approach?

Clowns are an abomination, full stop. They should have been forbidden in the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not array oneself in oversized, garish clothing, nor adorn oneself with red noses, nor shall you cast upon the masses of the faithful buckets of tinsel........etc, etc and so on.

The sermon was general (with God all things are possible) and not directed to chidren.

Not good. Needs to be directed to the children in a manner they can understand, similar to how religion is taught in Catholic primary schools - and it needs to be brief, one simple point that they can take in and remember and no more than that.

The intetnions were strictly children: maybe 20 tots in succession

Nice idea, too many tots. People will suffer that kind of thing at a school concert but they shouldn't have to in church. Limit the numbers. Vary the ages, juniors, middles and seniors, three kids from each group, nine kids in total.

As a teacher you surely know how difficult it is to keep kids' attention.

Yes, it's a skill and there's an argument for having some kind of specialist training for priests in this area - ministry for children. Even teachers don't all have that skill of commanding and holding the attention of children, some have a natural gift but in general it's the years of experience that count. It is very difficult to engage with a large group of children who are complete strangers to you. If the congregation is well established and the same children attend week after week then it's somewhat easier.

In an infant school I taught in, we had a wonderful priest. He was probably about 60 years old and had been preparing children for First Communion for many years. His church was located directly across the road from the school. He started by just popping in when the children were in their first year at school and chatting with the class. When they were six he would say mass for the first time. He would robe himself for the mass in front of the children, explaining what each garment was and why he wore it, in very simple terms. He would then explain everything on the altar etc. He remained very chatty and informal throughout the mass, explaining the prayers and so on but in a completely appropriate manner (no clowning). But Polonius, I really wish you could have seen our Principal in action. She was a wonderful lady from Donegal, she never raised her voice, ever. She could command absolute attention from a school hall filled with nearly 300 children aged four to six years. I watched them listen to her give the story of St Brigid, the Irish female patron saint and the children were absolutely transfixed, so it can be done. She'd been teaching nearly forty years so, as I say, experience counts.

Just to finish I'd say that plenty of music and singing are very important in a childrens' mass.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

I remember the terrified, tearful kids waiting to go into their first confession. In fact, I was one of them.

Well you see this is it Roger. People tend to bring their own issues to the table of life. It's inevitable. We both went to First Confession, one of us was terrified, one of us wasn't. Now I actually don't agree with the sacrament of confession. You don't need a priest as an intermediary between yourself and God. He's your father, just tell him you're sorry. But some people find it comforting. By the way nowadays First Confession seems to be a very happy occasion. In the schools I taught in anyway, the kids actually look forward to it and they have a party afterwards.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

without relgious guidance they tend to "choose" the "relgion" of popculture commercialism and become victims of the greed machine

That's not quite true either though. Look Polly I come from a Catholic country. Over eighty percent of Irish people consider themselves to be Catholic according to their census returns. But despite that Ireland is just as interested in celebrity gossip, i-phones and tablets, high fashion etc So they're very much a nation of consumers. Now of course they're also one of the most charitable nations in the world with a very high proportion people giving their personal time to volunteering. You can be religious and materialistic and even a bit shallow at the same time and many people are. Religion doesn't prevent people from being materialistic but it hopefully encourages you to spare a thought for those with less and to share what you have. The Quakers are a great example of that. However you can be brought up with no religion and still be raised to think of others and be a caring person.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

So you dismiss the Sacrament of Penance? I reckon then Jesus was talking rubbish when he said: "Whose sins you remit are remitted and whose sins you retain are retained." (St John 20-23)

That quote like pretty much everything in the Bible is open to interpretation. This is a matter to debate with evangelical Christians perhaps? Johnny Reb could put you right on this one. However bear in mind that the communion of Anglican churches also doesn't have the sacrament of confession. It's not that big a deal Polly.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

Accept form religion what is nice, convenient and pleasant and makes everybody "feel good"

That tired old accusation of yours........that kind of view may exist but it doesn't serve you very well in difficult times. There is a great deal of pain in life, though many of us are fortunate enough to suffer only the usual and not to experience real tragedy. But if you have such a simple-minded outlook on what Christianity is then how do you cope if you lose a child, for example? How do you make sense of it? No, Polly I don't subscribe to the views you suggest but I do try to understand the central message of Jesus and to live as He instructed us to do for His sake and for our own. You should read the writings of St Bernard of Clairvaux on the 'four loves' that Christianity teaches us.
Atch   
26 Oct 2015
UK, Ireland / Sugar tax in the UK. Polish friends addicted? [55]

I've noticed an increase in the number of overweight young women in Poland. There are still plenty of those terrifyingly skinny ones but quite a lot of young ladies who look as if they'd had a few too many fish suppers.
Atch   
27 Oct 2015
Life / Halloween or Andrzejki - which is more popular in Poland? [14]

I would say Halloween is not that popular here but is growing in popularity. In Warsaw back in 2006 I remember they had a few Halloween decorations in the local supermarket. This year somebody has rented space in a local shopping centre and is selling quite elaborate stuff including costumes and the supermarket had a childrens' pumpkin decorating thingy on Saturday last. However I don't think it will ever really take off here. Firstly it has no cultural significance for Poles as it's the remains of an ancient festival from a distant culture and secondly the observance of All Saints on 1 November is far more significant for Poles - the two simply don't sit well together in the Polish tradition, the revels and festivities of modern Halloween celebrations are at odds with the solemn observances of the following day. Poles who've lived in Ireland may well carry on the tradition for their children who've started life there which is nice.

The Catholic church in Poland may be against it as InPolska says. I don't know. There's no problem with it in Ireland, I suppose because it's 'our' festival. Halloween only found its way to America because of Irish immigrants keeping up the old traditions. They used pumpkins because they didn't have turnips to make the lanterns for example. Incidentally there is no tradition of trick or treating in Ireland. Children dress up certainly and they call to the house and say 'Help the Halloween party' and you give them a few sweeties and off they go to the bonfire. They never play tricks in my experience though sadly the phrase 'trick or treat' is now sometimes used instead of the traditional 'help the party'. Most of the girls tend to dress a princess, a fairy or a 'good' witch. Boys in my class at school over the years have been everything and anything from Bart Simpson and Darth Vader, to racing driver Michael Schumacher! Sometimes they go for Dracula or a skeleton but they're just as likely to pick a superhero.
Atch   
27 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

Again Pol, you nailed it or as they say here on the PF, Spot on old chap, good job.

Yes but Johnny, you are an evangelical Christian and as such also reject the sacrament of confession. You believe not only in a direct relationship with God but in Jesus as your personal saviour, who died on the cross that your sins might be forgiven. You've said yourself on this very forum that you don't need a Catholic priest to forgive your sins. But now you appear to be in agreement with Polly's interpretation of the Bible and that Jesus gave his disciples the 'power' to forgive sins. Could you clarify? Maybe in the off-topic section. What is it exactly that Polonius nailed???

Those whose sins you remit shall be remitted, and thos you retain shall be retained."

Catholic scripture intreprets that quote in the context of the fact that it was said to the Apostles as the first ministers of the Catholic church. But what if you're a Christian and not a Catholic? Does that mean that yours sins will not be forgiven even if you repent? Of course not. All of us as humans have the power to forgive those who sin either personally against us or against humankind in general or we have the power to harbour hatred, bitterness, anger and resentment. That's how I read those words.

I'm sure he never rejected the Precepts of the Church.

I never suggested that he did. My comment regarding St Bernard was about his teachings on Christian love.

NOTICE TO CAFÉ CAHOLICS: take your pick!

To which Cafe Catholics are you referring? Ones on this forum? I don't know of any Catholics here apart from the two of us. And Polly dear, despite your greatness which precedes you like a fanfare and follows you like a procession I don't think that the Catholics of the world are aware of your proclamations.
Atch   
27 Oct 2015
Life / Halloween or Andrzejki - which is more popular in Poland? [14]

When I was a kid there is no way we'd trick or treat in the day or allow our parents to be too close.

Yes, it had to be after dark, that was the main part of the fun and excitement. In Ireland nowadays in the urban areas parents accompany very young children, say the under sevens but they usually remain in a group at a safe distance so the kids still have some sense of independence. However where a bonfire and fireworks are concerned I do think it's necessary to have adults around.
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

Why does this make you so nit picky that Pol3 is correct ?

It's actually you that I was nit picking Johnny though I wasn't doing it to be awkward. I'm not bothered at all that he quoted scripture accurately. It's the intrepretation he places on it that interests me. He sees it as supporting the Catholic sacrament of going into a confessional and confessing to an old man in a dress as you refer to it. But you don't see it that way, so that's why I was interested to know what it was you felt he'd nailed.

Not true, I confess and ask for forgiveness from God my Father, that's my personal sacrament of confession

Now who's nit picking?! Splitting hairs Johnny old boy. You and Pol have opposing views about confession and that's the long and short of it. He believes he needs to confess to a priest, you don't - and neither do I, yet I still identify myself as a Catholic, it's a funny old world isn't it.

By the way I don't know why people go on about men in dresses. Very few priests wear a soutane nowadays, though I've noticed they still do in Poland and the nuns wear traditional habits as opposed to civvies.
Atch   
28 Oct 2015
Life / "Survivor's report" from a children's mass in Poland [62]

You were the first one that coined that term here so you tell us.

No, that wasn't me. Absolutely not. That term was used by someone called, I believe called Old British Bird (I think she was a guest poster). She used the phrase 'evil old man in a dress' and I asked her if she was referring to the pope or priests in general. I think Rozumiemnic has also used that term 'man in a dress' but I can't be absolutely certain. I don't regard priests as evil nor do I think of them as men in dresses so I would never use such a term.

Now that we have that sorted out does johnny get a star for effort Miss Atch.

No. I trained through the Montessori system, no incentives, no rewards. You might find this interesting:
examiner.com/article/rewards-montessori-classrooms-come-from-within-the-child