Veles
5 Jan 2015
Life / Being a Jew in modern-day Poland; Israeli Jew who is of Polish descent [269]
What's your name, or what is its meaning?
What's your name, or what is its meaning?
Veles
5 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Surnames with suffix "-ert" are suggesting German origin. But I don't know "original" version.
Surnames with suffix "-ert" are suggesting German origin. But I don't know "original" version.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
1. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz" was granted in 1676 (also with the surname Bernacki) to Bernard Krzysztof Bernatowicz for military merits.
2. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz, variation Trąb" was granted in 1768 to Jakub Bernatowicz, a secretary of Michał Radziwiłł and Karol Radziwiłł. Radziwiłł family members have given to Bernatowicz their own scheme of the coat of arms.
3. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz galicyjski" was granted in 1789 to Grzegorz Bernatowicz in Galicia (under Austrian partition).
4. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz-Gieysztoff" - no data.
On other site there information that Bernatowicz families used coat of arms:
1. Białynia - used by the families who were living mostly on lands of £ęczyca, Kraków, Sandomierz, Sieradz. First mentioned data about existance of this coat of arms comes from 1388. Used by 86 families. It is quite similar to "Bernatowicz-Gieysztoff" but not the same.
2. Leliwa - due to Długosz it came to Poland from Germany. Other experts in heraldry claims that it is native to Poland. First information about it comes from 12th century (then it was used by saint Bertold von Garsten). Used by 831 families.
3. Ostoja - used on many territories of PLC, also in Red Ruthenia and Ducal Prussia. First mentioned information comes from 14th century. Used by 770 families.
4. Prawdzic - existed on many names. Its decent is controversial. Used by 538 families.
It suggest that Bernatowicz family, was a part of "szlachta" - Polish gentry. There is a chance that your ancestor was one of them, no matter if he was Armenian, Slovak, Polish or what. In this information Bernatowicz are Polish - different ethnicity is hypothetical, as in the past Bernatowicz surname was also held by Armenians.
For now, good night. Need to sleep :)
1. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz" was granted in 1676 (also with the surname Bernacki) to Bernard Krzysztof Bernatowicz for military merits.
2. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz, variation Trąb" was granted in 1768 to Jakub Bernatowicz, a secretary of Michał Radziwiłł and Karol Radziwiłł. Radziwiłł family members have given to Bernatowicz their own scheme of the coat of arms.
3. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz galicyjski" was granted in 1789 to Grzegorz Bernatowicz in Galicia (under Austrian partition).
4. Polish coat of arms "Bernatowicz-Gieysztoff" - no data.
On other site there information that Bernatowicz families used coat of arms:
1. Białynia - used by the families who were living mostly on lands of £ęczyca, Kraków, Sandomierz, Sieradz. First mentioned data about existance of this coat of arms comes from 1388. Used by 86 families. It is quite similar to "Bernatowicz-Gieysztoff" but not the same.
2. Leliwa - due to Długosz it came to Poland from Germany. Other experts in heraldry claims that it is native to Poland. First information about it comes from 12th century (then it was used by saint Bertold von Garsten). Used by 831 families.
3. Ostoja - used on many territories of PLC, also in Red Ruthenia and Ducal Prussia. First mentioned information comes from 14th century. Used by 770 families.
4. Prawdzic - existed on many names. Its decent is controversial. Used by 538 families.
It suggest that Bernatowicz family, was a part of "szlachta" - Polish gentry. There is a chance that your ancestor was one of them, no matter if he was Armenian, Slovak, Polish or what. In this information Bernatowicz are Polish - different ethnicity is hypothetical, as in the past Bernatowicz surname was also held by Armenians.
For now, good night. Need to sleep :)
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Polish. Gentry.
Polish. Gentry.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Bernat may be a surname, but in Slovakia and Hungary it is also a first name.
It is possible that your ancestor was just "Bernat" without surname, and his son was named... for example Sviatoslav Bernatowicz. The suffix "-icz" is common in Eastern Slavic countries, as patronymic. So I assume, that simply your surname comes from the name of first Bernatowicz father - Bernat.
Bernat may be a surname, but in Slovakia and Hungary it is also a first name.
It is possible that your ancestor was just "Bernat" without surname, and his son was named... for example Sviatoslav Bernatowicz. The suffix "-icz" is common in Eastern Slavic countries, as patronymic. So I assume, that simply your surname comes from the name of first Bernatowicz father - Bernat.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Yes. Bernat is actually the equivalent of Bernard (used in Poland). Suffixes -icz or -uk (as in my case) are mostly meaning something like "Petersen" or "Palsdottir" in Scandinavia. "Petersen" means "son of Peter" and "Palsdottir" means "daughter of Pals". Your surname may simply mean "son of Bernat".
Yes. Bernat is actually the equivalent of Bernard (used in Poland). Suffixes -icz or -uk (as in my case) are mostly meaning something like "Petersen" or "Palsdottir" in Scandinavia. "Petersen" means "son of Peter" and "Palsdottir" means "daughter of Pals". Your surname may simply mean "son of Bernat".
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
It also may have happened. My own surname was created this way.
It also may have happened. My own surname was created this way.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Love / Addressing your Polish in-laws or boy/girlfriend's parents? [49]
To be honest, as they are aware that you are not Polish, they will not have problems. Just keep everything the way you do now. And if your boyfriend told you it's fine, then it is fine :) Don't worry about this.
Wow, I didn't know that, I already use the Ty form like "Co Ty myslisz?" (since the beginning when I had very less knowledge of Polish). My boyfriend always told me it's absolutely fine to call them that way. But I have never directly addressed them, if I have to talk to them, I sort of just look at them and talk and hence no need of calling them out by name or something else.
To be honest, as they are aware that you are not Polish, they will not have problems. Just keep everything the way you do now. And if your boyfriend told you it's fine, then it is fine :) Don't worry about this.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Love / Addressing your Polish in-laws or boy/girlfriend's parents? [49]
Mostly, you don't need to use last name nor first name. For example "What do you think?", you may ask "co pan sądzi?". There is no name.
Mostly, you don't need to use last name nor first name. For example "What do you think?", you may ask "co pan sądzi?". There is no name.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Love / Addressing your Polish in-laws or boy/girlfriend's parents? [49]
It is normal that they use your first name - you are a girlfriend of their son. If they would like you to use their names, they will suggest you that. If they don't, keep it that way. Even thought it's formal, it's normal.
It is normal that they use your first name - you are a girlfriend of their son. If they would like you to use their names, they will suggest you that. If they don't, keep it that way. Even thought it's formal, it's normal.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Could be. But you need to have in mind, that Armenians were never Muslims - as Christians they were able to be involved in mixed marriages. They settled in Western Ukraine and most probably they were marrying Ruthenians and Poles. So it is difficult to admit that you have more than 20% of Armenian blood. This surname however, was used not only by the Armenians. Its "scheme" suggest... or at least suffix... Ruthenian influence. The root "Bernat-" was mostly present in Czechia, Silesia and Lesser Poland. Bernat is a name.
Could be. But you need to have in mind, that Armenians were never Muslims - as Christians they were able to be involved in mixed marriages. They settled in Western Ukraine and most probably they were marrying Ruthenians and Poles. So it is difficult to admit that you have more than 20% of Armenian blood. This surname however, was used not only by the Armenians. Its "scheme" suggest... or at least suffix... Ruthenian influence. The root "Bernat-" was mostly present in Czechia, Silesia and Lesser Poland. Bernat is a name.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Bernatowicz surname? (I am starting to wonder if anyone in my family was American?) [85]
Surnames, HolyDuck. Surnames. Now you act like someone who says: "My ancestors were from Bergen, Norway. Perhaps, my family does originate from Greenland?". If you know geography and demography of Ukraine during Habsburg's reign, you should know the possibility. Do you have ancestors with surname's suffix "-an"?
Surnames, HolyDuck. Surnames. Now you act like someone who says: "My ancestors were from Bergen, Norway. Perhaps, my family does originate from Greenland?". If you know geography and demography of Ukraine during Habsburg's reign, you should know the possibility. Do you have ancestors with surname's suffix "-an"?
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Love / Addressing your Polish in-laws or boy/girlfriend's parents? [49]
Never seen it. Never heard it. And I live in a village. It was used in the past, however.
This is still used in small towns and villages.
Never seen it. Never heard it. And I live in a village. It was used in the past, however.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Love / Addressing your Polish in-laws or boy/girlfriend's parents? [49]
At your place I would call them Pan/Pani.
At your place I would call them Pan/Pani.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Drzązgowa, Wybierków; Przybył Łukasz (* Przybeło), pens Wybierkowa "ex Wrończyński - Translation with meaning [13]
Pam, but it is written in Polish language, not in English.
Rwyber, the suffix "-owa" was destined to married women. For example, if there was a guy with a surname "Nowak" and he married a woman, this woman was named "Nowakowa". There were also suffixes "-ówna" destined to daughters. So the daughter of Nowaks would be "Nowakówna". Nowadays, it is sometimes used but only in colloquial cases. It is present in modern times in Eastern Slavic nations - the rule is the same as in "Maria Sharapova". If she will have a husband "Yuri", his full name would not be "Yuri Sharapova", but "Yuri Sharapov" or "Sharap". However in Russia most probably "Sharapov".
Pam, but it is written in Polish language, not in English.
Rwyber, the suffix "-owa" was destined to married women. For example, if there was a guy with a surname "Nowak" and he married a woman, this woman was named "Nowakowa". There were also suffixes "-ówna" destined to daughters. So the daughter of Nowaks would be "Nowakówna". Nowadays, it is sometimes used but only in colloquial cases. It is present in modern times in Eastern Slavic nations - the rule is the same as in "Maria Sharapova". If she will have a husband "Yuri", his full name would not be "Yuri Sharapova", but "Yuri Sharapov" or "Sharap". However in Russia most probably "Sharapov".
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Drzązgowa, Wybierków; Przybył Łukasz (* Przybeło), pens Wybierkowa "ex Wrończyński - Translation with meaning [13]
So "rola" here means "a soil".
Wybierków and Wybierkowskie refers to the same thing, but there is difference in grammar. "Wybierków" is singular Nominative. Noun. "Wybierkowskie" is an adjective.
£ukasz has not this surname. I am not sure what things in brackets means, in particular "pens". Pens is a penny, pence, you know... British currency. Maybe it is a abbreviation of "pensjonariusz" that means "a boarder". However, later there is "ex" used. Ex + pens = expensa. From Latin - expense. But I don't know if it makes sense.
So "rola" here means "a soil".
Wybierków and Wybierkowskie refers to the same thing, but there is difference in grammar. "Wybierków" is singular Nominative. Noun. "Wybierkowskie" is an adjective.
£ukasz has not this surname. I am not sure what things in brackets means, in particular "pens". Pens is a penny, pence, you know... British currency. Maybe it is a abbreviation of "pensjonariusz" that means "a boarder". However, later there is "ex" used. Ex + pens = expensa. From Latin - expense. But I don't know if it makes sense.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Drzązgowa, Wybierków; Przybył Łukasz (* Przybeło), pens Wybierkowa "ex Wrończyński - Translation with meaning [13]
What I assume here is...
This "kmieć" as a wealthy farmer had a number of fields. If he was wealthy, he had to have some fields, right? ;) In this case they were located in Wybierków. I'm not exactly sure, can you give me a link to the site from where you have this?
What I assume here is...
This "kmieć" as a wealthy farmer had a number of fields. If he was wealthy, he had to have some fields, right? ;) In this case they were located in Wybierków. I'm not exactly sure, can you give me a link to the site from where you have this?
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Drzązgowa, Wybierków; Przybył Łukasz (* Przybeło), pens Wybierkowa "ex Wrończyński - Translation with meaning [13]
Wybierać means to choose. Wybraniec means a chosen. First one is a verb, second is a noun. As you probably see it, "to choose" sounds and looks similar to "a chosen" - the same is in Polish. Same connotation between verb and noun.
What you have written is hard to understand for me (and I'm a native Polish speaker). But I'll try:
1. Whereas a role/a soil (depends on context) of Drzązgowa, Wybierków, in 1609.
2. Przybył £ukasz (* Przybeło) (in 1610 "Wybierków penny", in 1612 "ex Wrończyński"), *kmieć* from Dobrzec (in 1624-27 he held the fields of Wybierków)
3. Wybierek Piotr, *kmieć* from Dobrzec 1612-21 (in 1622-23 the Wybierków's field vacancy)
4. Wybierkowa Zofia, supposedly a widow after some Wybierek, from Dobrzec 1594-1611.
Wybierku is Locative case of "Wybierek".
*kmieć* was a richer farmer; also colloquially used to desribe a peasant.
Wybierać means to choose. Wybraniec means a chosen. First one is a verb, second is a noun. As you probably see it, "to choose" sounds and looks similar to "a chosen" - the same is in Polish. Same connotation between verb and noun.
What you have written is hard to understand for me (and I'm a native Polish speaker). But I'll try:
1. Whereas a role/a soil (depends on context) of Drzązgowa, Wybierków, in 1609.
2. Przybył £ukasz (* Przybeło) (in 1610 "Wybierków penny", in 1612 "ex Wrończyński"), *kmieć* from Dobrzec (in 1624-27 he held the fields of Wybierków)
3. Wybierek Piotr, *kmieć* from Dobrzec 1612-21 (in 1622-23 the Wybierków's field vacancy)
4. Wybierkowa Zofia, supposedly a widow after some Wybierek, from Dobrzec 1594-1611.
Wybierku is Locative case of "Wybierek".
*kmieć* was a richer farmer; also colloquially used to desribe a peasant.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ? [87]
What was his first name? Fox is definitely not a German word.
What was his first name? Fox is definitely not a German word.
Veles
4 Jan 2015
Genealogy / Common surnames in Poland NOT of Polish origin ? [87]
Fox is English. Polish translation is Lis, and German would be Fuchs.
There are also Szmidt (Schmitt), or Weiss. Too many to make a list. Many surnames were created by using foreign characteristics, for example the surname "Makaruk" is present both - in Poland and Ukraine. So is it Polish or Ukrainian?
Fox is English. Polish translation is Lis, and German would be Fuchs.
There are also Szmidt (Schmitt), or Weiss. Too many to make a list. Many surnames were created by using foreign characteristics, for example the surname "Makaruk" is present both - in Poland and Ukraine. So is it Polish or Ukrainian?
Veles
30 Dec 2014
Genealogy / Origins of Polish surnames that end in "o". Are they from ukrainian origins [15]
What surname in particular you have in mind?
There was always a rumor in my family that we were poles from wołyń that moved to the western territories.
What surname in particular you have in mind?
Veles
29 Dec 2014
Veles
29 Dec 2014
History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]
You mean Nestor's writings, for example? Well, yes, he mentioned Slavs, but he didn't said from where they came and who were their ancestors.
Could be. We are definitely related to the Balts, even pre-Christian beliefs have much in common.
We need to have in mind sociological aspect. Many people were nomads, were moving from less "good" areas to better ones. Some researches shown that Slavs are similiar somehow to native people from Afganistan (don't remember in which case), so it is possible to me, that they moved from there and settled here. Maybe they also mixed with other tribes or nations we know from history. But I really doubt that this is a native land to Slavs. What I think is that they moved here, some tribes gone east, other west, et cetera. I'm just guessing. In the past people were moving and mixing with each other, assimiliating... They couldn't just disappear - for example Scythia was a huge land. But Scythians weren't a nation - they could have mixed with Sarmatians, Roxolani, Iazyges, and many others "creating new" tribes.
And to be honest, Romans were present here. In the nearest town some archaelogical researches discovered some Roman coins, so Romans had to be present on eastern Poland. I do not mean military actions, but some merchants, etc. :)
They did. In fact, "Slavic territory" was located to Elbe river, though these tribes were conquered by Germans, unfortunately. Only Lusatian Sorbs are still aware of their heritage.
Early Slavs lived in the area of northern Ukraine - it is from there they have expanded
You mean Nestor's writings, for example? Well, yes, he mentioned Slavs, but he didn't said from where they came and who were their ancestors.
In Roman records, it is certain that slavs came from the north east.
Could be. We are definitely related to the Balts, even pre-Christian beliefs have much in common.
We need to have in mind sociological aspect. Many people were nomads, were moving from less "good" areas to better ones. Some researches shown that Slavs are similiar somehow to native people from Afganistan (don't remember in which case), so it is possible to me, that they moved from there and settled here. Maybe they also mixed with other tribes or nations we know from history. But I really doubt that this is a native land to Slavs. What I think is that they moved here, some tribes gone east, other west, et cetera. I'm just guessing. In the past people were moving and mixing with each other, assimiliating... They couldn't just disappear - for example Scythia was a huge land. But Scythians weren't a nation - they could have mixed with Sarmatians, Roxolani, Iazyges, and many others "creating new" tribes.
And to be honest, Romans were present here. In the nearest town some archaelogical researches discovered some Roman coins, so Romans had to be present on eastern Poland. I do not mean military actions, but some merchants, etc. :)
Ofcourse, no body knew details, but it was known that slavs did expand into poland.
They did. In fact, "Slavic territory" was located to Elbe river, though these tribes were conquered by Germans, unfortunately. Only Lusatian Sorbs are still aware of their heritage.
Veles
29 Dec 2014
History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]
Ok, in shortern way: you shouldn't ask anyone from where did Slavs came and where they originated. There are only theories and no one truly knows, how they emerged.
In general what we know is that Slavic people are divided on three groups: Western Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Sorbs), Eastern Slavs (Belorussians, Russians, Rusyns, Ukrainians) and Southern Slavs (Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs, Slovenes). Of course, there were more Slavs in the past, but they distinct before they created nations. In the past, in times when we can consider the legend, there was no nations, but tribes, so even speaking about the origins of "Polish Slavs" is not truly logical, when you talk about Lech, Czech and Rus. During Mieszko's I reign, when he created Poland, he have done this by conquering and uniting other Western Slavic tribes. He led the tribe of [Western] Polans (there were also Eastern Polans located in present-day Ukraine) and conquered e.g. Mazovians, Vistulans and Lendians. So there was no Polish Slavs, but the tribes that united with each other and created the nation (it took more time). Just let's think about... let's say... Volhynians - they lived on the area of present borderline between Poland, Ukraine and Belarus (probably). So are they Polish Slavs? Or maybe Ukrainian or Belorussian?
What I can understand in this legend is not one person, but whole group of people. Lech would be a personification of lechitic tribes that settled on modern Polish lands. Czech would be a personification of Czechs, Moravians and Slovaks, while Rus would be a general people settled on the area later known as Kievan Rus'.
Southern Slavs are not mentioned there, as we know from where they came to the Balkans. Formerly, they were living among Western and Eastern Slavs, for example Serbs on the borderline of present-day Poland and Germany, and Croats near Poland, Ukraine and maybe Slovakia. They were not indigenous inhabitants of Balkans and were not related to ancient Celts or Greeks who were living there. However, from where Slavs came in general? No one knows. Some say that Slavs are related to Scythians, other that Slavs are related somehow to Germanics, Sarmathians, Goths etc. Everything is just speculation.
Ancient Romans were literated people, however as we know they were not present in the territory of modern Poland. It was still Germania for them with Scythia and Sarmatia further on east. Local people were not that literated to leave any information about their past, so I think we will never know how we came here.
Ok, in shortern way: you shouldn't ask anyone from where did Slavs came and where they originated. There are only theories and no one truly knows, how they emerged.
In general what we know is that Slavic people are divided on three groups: Western Slavs (Czechs, Poles, Slovaks, Sorbs), Eastern Slavs (Belorussians, Russians, Rusyns, Ukrainians) and Southern Slavs (Bosniaks, Bulgarians, Croats, Macedonians, Montenegrins, Serbs, Slovenes). Of course, there were more Slavs in the past, but they distinct before they created nations. In the past, in times when we can consider the legend, there was no nations, but tribes, so even speaking about the origins of "Polish Slavs" is not truly logical, when you talk about Lech, Czech and Rus. During Mieszko's I reign, when he created Poland, he have done this by conquering and uniting other Western Slavic tribes. He led the tribe of [Western] Polans (there were also Eastern Polans located in present-day Ukraine) and conquered e.g. Mazovians, Vistulans and Lendians. So there was no Polish Slavs, but the tribes that united with each other and created the nation (it took more time). Just let's think about... let's say... Volhynians - they lived on the area of present borderline between Poland, Ukraine and Belarus (probably). So are they Polish Slavs? Or maybe Ukrainian or Belorussian?
What I can understand in this legend is not one person, but whole group of people. Lech would be a personification of lechitic tribes that settled on modern Polish lands. Czech would be a personification of Czechs, Moravians and Slovaks, while Rus would be a general people settled on the area later known as Kievan Rus'.
Southern Slavs are not mentioned there, as we know from where they came to the Balkans. Formerly, they were living among Western and Eastern Slavs, for example Serbs on the borderline of present-day Poland and Germany, and Croats near Poland, Ukraine and maybe Slovakia. They were not indigenous inhabitants of Balkans and were not related to ancient Celts or Greeks who were living there. However, from where Slavs came in general? No one knows. Some say that Slavs are related to Scythians, other that Slavs are related somehow to Germanics, Sarmathians, Goths etc. Everything is just speculation.
Ancient Romans were literated people, however as we know they were not present in the territory of modern Poland. It was still Germania for them with Scythia and Sarmatia further on east. Local people were not that literated to leave any information about their past, so I think we will never know how we came here.
Veles
29 Dec 2014
Genealogy / Origins of Polish surnames that end in "o". Are they from ukrainian origins [15]
Yes. Bojko is in fact a popular Ukrainian surname.
Yes. Bojko is in fact a popular Ukrainian surname.
Veles
28 Dec 2014
Life / Do the Poles have a positive attitude towards the Danes and Denmark? [16]
Bring some vodka and you'll be fine :) Don't bother about any nationalistic fellows, they are everywhere in the world. But in general, we Poles, have nothing against Danes. And to be honest, most of people are not quite familiar with this country. They only know that it's Scandinavia and has cross on the flag.
Ah, sorry, and some football fans will recognize Peter Schmeichel and Daniel Agger. ;)
Are there a positive attitude among the Poles towards the Danes, Denmark and Scandinavia in general?
Bring some vodka and you'll be fine :) Don't bother about any nationalistic fellows, they are everywhere in the world. But in general, we Poles, have nothing against Danes. And to be honest, most of people are not quite familiar with this country. They only know that it's Scandinavia and has cross on the flag.
Ah, sorry, and some football fans will recognize Peter Schmeichel and Daniel Agger. ;)
Veles
11 Dec 2014
Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]
And I want to be rich, to be like Casanova, to be the most wise person on the Earth, and on every field be successful. Dreams are for free.
Your wishes and the idea you propose are impossible to create in real world. The only way to make such "union" which is in other words... the conquer of neighbour lands, is the fastest way to destroy Poland and erase it from maps and kill many of its citizens. Great idea, definitely. We do not live in ancient nor medieval times.
And I want to be rich, to be like Casanova, to be the most wise person on the Earth, and on every field be successful. Dreams are for free.
Your wishes and the idea you propose are impossible to create in real world. The only way to make such "union" which is in other words... the conquer of neighbour lands, is the fastest way to destroy Poland and erase it from maps and kill many of its citizens. Great idea, definitely. We do not live in ancient nor medieval times.
Veles
11 Dec 2014
Genealogy / Being ashamed of Polish ancestry? [156]
Intermarium's main goal was to prevent countries located between Germany and Soviet Union losing the hypothetical (as we know now, not hypothetical) war. Germans and Soviets were the biggest threat, and this was the purpose of Intermarium.
This point was actually about Belarus.
Yes, but Americans and Canadians have different history. There is no such ethinicity (despite of native Americans), this nation was created by the colonists. European countries were not. In other words - Americans and Canadians wanted to unite to create free country - in Europe such thing will be impossible, as there is no chance to forget about history and unite.
Americans, let's say, have beginning of their history in times of colonization. After the War of Independence they became one nation, no matter if they were British or French - the same with "American Dream" period. These people became Americans. Do you believe, that for example, Serbians will shake hand with Albanians even though they have argues about Kosovo? I doubt it. The same with other nations in Europe. Many Poles complain about Volynian Massacre and blame Ukrainians, many Lithuanians blame Poles for being "superior" during PLC, for wars about Vilnius; many Greeks are still in conflict with Macedonians about the name of their country etc. This is simply impossible to create peace here - such Union will bring the same results as Yugoslavia - wars. Because there had to be leader, and no matter who he/she will be, other nations would start talking about superiority of one nation.
I'd be more convinced about union focused on cooperation, without ideological context.
Excluded from what? You don`t see them as factors which would have their opinion in case of formation of new Commonwealth?
Intermarium's main goal was to prevent countries located between Germany and Soviet Union losing the hypothetical (as we know now, not hypothetical) war. Germans and Soviets were the biggest threat, and this was the purpose of Intermarium.
no. New Commonwealth needs to have neutral stance on Russia.
This point was actually about Belarus.
We see that USA and Canada creates American and Canadian ethoses.
Yes, but Americans and Canadians have different history. There is no such ethinicity (despite of native Americans), this nation was created by the colonists. European countries were not. In other words - Americans and Canadians wanted to unite to create free country - in Europe such thing will be impossible, as there is no chance to forget about history and unite.
Americans, let's say, have beginning of their history in times of colonization. After the War of Independence they became one nation, no matter if they were British or French - the same with "American Dream" period. These people became Americans. Do you believe, that for example, Serbians will shake hand with Albanians even though they have argues about Kosovo? I doubt it. The same with other nations in Europe. Many Poles complain about Volynian Massacre and blame Ukrainians, many Lithuanians blame Poles for being "superior" during PLC, for wars about Vilnius; many Greeks are still in conflict with Macedonians about the name of their country etc. This is simply impossible to create peace here - such Union will bring the same results as Yugoslavia - wars. Because there had to be leader, and no matter who he/she will be, other nations would start talking about superiority of one nation.
I'd be more convinced about union focused on cooperation, without ideological context.
Veles
11 Dec 2014
Language / Why is the Polish language so difficult? [246]
Because you are a native speaker.
Grammar is much more complicated than ortography. Too many forms, too many rules.
I'm a native speaker of this language and I don't think it's hard to learn polish.
Because you are a native speaker.
Grammar is much more complicated than ortography. Too many forms, too many rules.