Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


As I could understand you have a Polish husband?What do you think about English-Ukrainian gene mix?Do you think it would be as good?When Ukraine will join EU, would you welcome some marriages between Brits and Ukrainians?

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Well,according to wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism


Socialism is purely economic teaching and have no any primary relation to race or anthropology viewpoints...

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Does that mean that policy of ``positive discrimination`` which
exist in many developed countries should be cancelled too? Since there
is no races it has no any sense?
As well as lawsuits regarding racism accusations?If some people making
racist remarks they are just saying nonsense and should be just not paying
attention to?

Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]


Why not to compare US to Japan or South Korea who have no permanent immigrants at all?Do they loose economic and escpecially manufacturing race to US?

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]

What is concerning ``estimates`` provided by Richard Lynn in particular, I cannot take it seriously.
They changed their previous ``estimates`` and ``downgraded`` average Polish IQ from 102 to 99,
Ukrainian from 99 to 96.In the same time time they ``upgraded`` average Americn IQ from 96 to 98
average British from 99 to 100! Even poor New Zelanders according to them have IQ = 100 which
is not lower than British! So now they practically have no Germanic or English speaking country which
would have IQ lower than any Slavic country.With notable exception of Irish!
To avoid accusations in racism he made move with making Asians ``smarter`` than Whites.I`m glad
if it`s true but Mongols been vastly smarter than Irish seems to be beyond science...
And the three major nations with highest IQ according to him are Japanese, Germans and Italians.
The former ``axis powers`` in WWII.

I found another IQ estimates of Richard Lynn.Those are newer and dated something like 2006 year.
Now he estimates average German IQ only at 99 and Russian at 97.Also he believes for some unknown
reason that average Belorussian and Ukrainian IQ should be exactly the same as Russian (without any tests taken)
even though those countries have much more homogenous Slavic population than Russia...

photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]

What I would be glad to know is how they figured out difference in IQ between different European nations.
For example they state that average IQ of Irish is only 93 while in Irelend there is handful of some minorities.
In the same time average American IQ is 98 while 40% of U.S. dwellers belong to visible minorities.
If we take for granted their point that IQ is race dependent then how come?.. Well, some Anglo-Saxons
despised Irish therefeore they could gain on them...And what is average IQ of white Americans?Probably
they should be the smartest people in the nearest part of Galaxy?..
Italy has IQ 102 (higher than Poles) and this is regardles Italians having substntial part of non-Indoeuropean
(mostly Semitic) blood... Especially Southern Italians of course.
Mongols according to them are smarter than Russians and Ukrainians...
By the way, I encountered those estimates before.They constantly change them.For example they downgraded
Poland IQ from 102 to 99.Your nation.As well as Ukraine from 99 (if I remember it correct) to 96.
It seems they are trying to suite those estimates under some classical Nazi theory...

History / Should Poland organize March of the Living in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland? [27]

There remain some dark spots in this story.First of all in this part of Western Ukraine in 1939 lived approximately 2.2 million of Poles and only 3.5 millions of Ukrainians.Do not is seem to you that it would be quite suicidal idea for Ukrainians to wage full scale war on Poles at such population breakdown?And especially taking in account that Poles were usually better organized and had more money to purchase weapon and ammo?And what was any sense to start such suicidal war on Poles before it would be clear if Ukraine have any chances to become independent?Do they seriously believed that Stalin will grant independence to it?And why Ukrainians didn`t expect that 2.2 millions of Poles will not cause any armed and organized resistance?Especially if we take in account that before 1939 Western Ukraine was for decades under Polish administration (occupation) and some systems for a case of Ukrainian violence and uprisings should be perfected long time ago.There were not only small villages in Volhynia but also cities like Rovno,Dubno, etc.

Were there any casualties among Ukrainians?And where exacly Ukrainians took weapon and amunition in number sufficient to kill millions of people,and what exactly weapon did they have?

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I think that good solution for most of modern Ukrainians would be not only allow move them into EU countries as to bring EU govenment to them.For example developed countries may establish some control over certain functions of Ukrainian government including police,tax and fiscal system etc.I sure that majority of Ukrainians would agree if it settled properly.EU could establish some patronage over Ukraine.Ukraine have huge potential and could give profits if developed properly.


I didn`t mean isolation,rather I meant self-sufficiency.It means Poland needs to have diverse industrial base and developed internal marked based on internal demand.And also be cotious of world financial system.For example, do not purchase tons of dollars or euros or bonds mindlessly.Invest more in gold and precious metals, its own manufacturing development.


It is interesting that if believe to those estimates level of life in different countries
is often disproportional to IQ level.For example average Slovenian IQ is 95 and Slovenia
is the richest Slavic country while average Ukrainian IQ is 96 which and Ukraine is poorest
Slavic country.I reviewed those estimated and a bit suspicious about them.They stick to
Hitler`s idea about supremacy of some particular nations too much.For example I would be
glad to know how the autor figured out that average German IQ is substentially higher than
Ukrainian or Russian, and American is higher than Ukrainian even though 40% of Americans
belong to ``visible minorities``?Is there some refference to some particular test results?

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


We have to note that in the last 30 years Western countries more and more live in debt.For example total debt of U.S. is 60 trillions of USD what is approximately equal to World GDP.In other Western countries situation is not better if not worse.

usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html

For example government debt of UK (90% of GDP) + external debt (505% of GDP) is already close to 600% of GDP! And total debt should be even higher.I do not know how it will end but Greece,Iceland,Ireland and some other already beg for mercy.

One of the most well kept secret of Western society is secret of its prosperity.Not because of their own manufacturing production Western countries live so well.For example Slovakia currently is country which produces largest number of cars per capita.This neighbour of Ukraine is still relatively poor country with high unemployment.In the same time Americans drive Japanese cars,eat Argentinean peers and bananas,wear Pakistani jeans and shoes.Nearly 90% of world electronics is produced in SEA.Nearly all compuer Intel processors are produced outside of U.S.! I do not know for how long such system will persist and for how long world will believe that US dollars or U.S. bonds represent some value.There was a moment when China decided that they enough U.S.

bond and will purchase them no more.Hilary Clinton immediately flown in China.I do not know about what they spoke but China desided to continue purchasing U.S. bonds and other ``valued`` papers.

Well, to have largest stockpile of nukes and largest carrier fleet is advantage,of course.But China is also increasing its carrier fleet...
If Poland will stay away from it then will develope some real economy which is self sufficient and prone to world economy crisises.


They are unlikely to concentrate in some particular area of Poland.And modern Ukrainians are not very stick to their language vs. Polish language, that it could prevent them to assimilate.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


Partially, this is fault of developed countries.They could establish supply of free
contraceptives to third world countries long time ago.As well as free nice looking radio
receivers with interesting musical channels and propoganda of fertility rates regulation.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


You are dreamer.According to his profile he lives in Germany.Don`t worry, he is playing fool, but he
is not fool enough.


When immigration programs of Western countries were mentally healthier, Ukrainians were allowded
practically anywhere.Recently Canadian primier Stefen Harper told that more then 1 millions of ethnical
Ukrainians were worth addition to Canadian society.Unfortunatelly from those 1 million remained mostly
Ukrainian family names since most of them easily assimilated.1 million of Ukrainians live in U.S. too.
Fortunately I never heard about such thing as an ethical Ukrainian mafia or any other problems associated
with them.We still have to hear the same prizes from Stefen Harper about some other communities.And stories
about some beheadings, tortures and family member killings are full of Canadian newspapers...

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I`m not sure that many of them would want to move in Poland so much,unless until
they have possibility to move in Canada,Australia and similar countries.


I didn`t even expect he will do it. I do not think there is any sizeble number of native Europeans
who really want to convert their countries into melting pots and crowd them with numerous immigrants.
Those who say so are just playing fool or persecute some secret agendas.Unfortunately, some politicians
do it as well.As I know hardly any European country had referendum regarding immigration or counted
for mind of majority of population.If they would do, there would be practically no immigrants from outside
of EU.

News / Repopulating Poland with Ukrainians? [67]


I wonder, how Poles could tolerate something like this?.. If you are not Pole, what is your
concern to come here and teach Poles how they suppose to regulate their own demographic
situation and threat to them with some conquest and sterilization???


Your point is rediculous.Why modern English suppose to care that their country was invaded 1500 years ago and allow to come new invaders??? Maybe England needs to hold referendum on this issue?According to polls.

euractiv.com/socialeurope/europeans-overwhelmingly-immigra-news-507074

overwhelming majority of Europeans and English especially are against mass immigration to their countries.I do not see why they shoud ask some insane minority what to do...


And why exactly diversity is good?Could you give any arguments?And since those Europeans who like diversity in their countries are in minority maybe they will themself ultimately move to the Asian countries?..

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]


Sorry, ``Southern Poland`` is it where?..


There is apparently some share of Ukrainians who belong to ultraright, for example there is ``Svoboda``
party in Ukrainian parliament who according to claims of some Jewish organisation is ``anti-semitic``
but I`m affraid to disappoint you.They do not regard Poles in particular as their enemies.Even contra,
many of them are ``pro-Western`` and regard Poles as their allies.So why would they appologies before
you if they believe you are their friends and you suppose to like them for their anti-Russian/communist
rethorics?But those Ukrainian far-right have little in common with rest of Ukrainians,so maybe you will
deal with your potential friends in some inter-family manner???

In 1998, the Ukrainian Ministry of Interior estimated that 400,000 Ukrainian women were trafficked during the previous decade; other sources, such as non-governmental organizations, thought the number was higher.

uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/natasha.htm

It is also estimated that 1/3 of all trafficked Ukrainians have been sliced for human organs...

To sofijufka:

It seems you are interesting in Russian history and maybe culture.
Do you know Russian or trying to study it?
If you need some help with Russian or Ukrainian or have some
questions regarding Russ/Ukr culture I could gladly help to you.
You could write me a private message.
Also I may propose to you such movies as ``9 lives of Nestor Makhno``

shoubiznes.net/news/2011-03-11-1734

It contains 12 series but is worth to see for those who is really interesting
in Ukrainian and Russian history.
And ``Tzar`` about life of Ivan the Terrible.

my-hit.ru/film/6111/online

Warning: both movies contain scenes of atrocities.Movies are in Russian only.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

Where did you actually took from those numbers??? For example this movie which presumably was made in Russia in recent years
``Banderovtsi - the war without rules`` mentions number of Soviet soldiers who died in war with UPA at 50.000 tall.
...(The movie is in Russian only).
Also they state total number of civilians dead at 60.000. But under civilians they mean mostly Ukrainians who according to UPA simpathized to Soviets.In entire movie there was no even mention of Polish victims.Neither any known Ukrainian historian agrees with huge number of Polish victims.It seems only person who somehow concerned to Polish government and not completely private researcher is Ewa Siemaszko.I think those numberse you provided is mostly due to her researches.But she seem to start her researches many decades after alleged events and I wonder how this poor woman without extensive help could collect data for entire Western Ukraine! Some Ukrainian historians who decided to check her research and conduct their own research desagree with her statement and believe they were highly exagerated.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ewa_Siemaszko (responses).

It seems that most of Russian and Ukrainian sources decided to build evil wall of silence about Polish victims.
And if we take in account that UPA also fought with Germans and presumably killed people of other nationalities then what is total number of those who killed by UPA both in combat and civilians? Closer to 300.000 at least???

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]


Well, if Poland believes it needs politically counterweight Russia so much, maybe they would thought some type of political confederacy with Ukraine? Western Ukrainians would gladly support idea,I guess, do not know about rest of Ukraine but still likely.38 mln + 45 mln = 83 mln. And plenty of territory and resources.Ukraine have Uranium,Thorium,Magnesium, plenty of fertile soil and Black see. Lot of potential to develop.For some period of type Ukraine may accept most of executive government functions from Poland befere their own political system will mature.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]


I do not deny that Polish pronounciation is quite different from Russian but there is limited
amount of characters in Latin alphabet to transmit all those differences.Nenethless most of those words
that I provided as examples sound quite similar to Russian as for me.


While I find that Polish voice in google translator is quite good, the Russian is awful and I do not advise to use it as

a refference.Russian ``wy`` doesn`t suppose sound like ``vwi``, the only difference that in Polish sond ``w`` is a bit harder,
while in Russian it is much softer.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

To Tommy G.:
Because Polish is not your native language, I advise you to listen how it sounds, not only how it`s writen.
Polish ``niebo`` sounds rather like ``n`ebo`` (similar to Russian) not ``niebo``.
Polish Wy sounds exactly the same as in Russian and Polish ``Dzien`` like ``d`en`` (like in Russian).
What you are taking about is probably some elusive difference in pronounciation that I not even capable to
remark.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]


Instead of peaking a random could you explain what`s wrong with at least one of them?Well, I heard Polish lang many times including

movies,google translator and in person and would not make some completely wrong statements on this account.

People - Ljude, narod - Ljudi, narod ( ludzie)
Spirit - Dukh - Dukh (duch)
Ear - Ukho - Ukho (ucho)
Neck - Shija - Sheja (szyja)
Day - Den` - Den` (dzień)
Snow - Sneg - Sneg (śnieg)
Sword - Mech - Mech (miecz)
Warmth - Teplo - Teplo (ciepło)
Divide - Delit` - Delit` (dzielić)
Wild - Diki - Dikij (dziki)
See - Videt` - Videt` ( widzieć)

Those are they writen in Polish alphabet.But to make comparison easier I converted them into ``uneversal transcription`` as well as Russian, otherwize I would be enforced to convert Russian words into Polish alphabet and transcription rules what whould be very difficult to me.Of course I was not able to depict some slightest, almost elusive details in pronounciation which cannot be depicted by any trancription.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]


Instead of peaking a random could you explain what`s wrong with at least one of them?Well, I heard Polish lang many times including

movies,google translator and in person and would not make some completely wrong statements on this account.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

I used google translator and checked how some Polish words sound.I didn`t use Polish alphabet to write Polish words but rather ``universal transcription`` to depict Slavic sounds in Latin letters.I guess it`s not very difficult to understand how to read it.

If you believe that I made mistake in how some words sound could you give few examples? My hearing is OK and I`m sure I could understand how some word sounds.

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

Quite possibly, but those ethnicities were not mentioned in the genetical evaluation that I provided link to.
Probably due to insignificant size of those nations.But still not a fact.Lithuanian language is not even a Slavic language
while Polish and Russian do.Why genetics should be more similar between Poles and Lithuanians than between Poles
and Russians?Baltic and Slavic tribes separated from each other much earlier than Western Slavic and Eastern Slavic.

Well, if we take very basic vocabulary (this is still far from complete)...
English - Polish - Russian
I - Ja - Ja
You - Ty - Ty
You (plural) - Vy - Vy
We - My - My
He - On - On
She - Ona - Ona
They - One - Oni
It - Ono - Ono
Them - Im, Ich - Im, Ich
Me - Mnje - Mnje
Who - Kto - Kto
What - Co - Chto

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]



Were those people from Russian government?And doesn`t it seem to you that there exist principal difference between
hypothetical and real threat from Russia to Poland?Do you seriously believe that modern Russia somehow threat to Poland at the moment or will threat in any foreseeable future?For example demographically or military?And why do you think that Russian government (Russian oligarchs) will somehow affraid of Lech Walesa?They just have property on all the Western countries and Poland included.What do you think Poles suppose to do to prevent ``evil intentions`` of Russian government?

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

To Penn boy: Thank you for the comment, though it doesn`t have any relation to Gogol.

And I do not understand why Ukrainians should be so much concerned about some stupid Polish-Russian rivalry?
Maybe we will try to bring as many ethnicities as close as possible?Instead of provoking some meaningless rivalry?

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

What is relation of Poles toward Belorussians?Could you remember or invent any grievance toward them too?!
What is relation of majority of Poles toward Ukrainian writer Nikolai Gogol? For example some his remarks about Poles:

``On the frontier road the Poles had gathered at a tavern and feasted there for two days.There were not a few of the rabble.They had doubtless met for some raid: some had musketes; there was jingling of spurs and clanking of swords. The nobles made merry and boasted; they talked of their marvellous deeds; they mocked at the Orthodox Christians, calling the Ukrainian people their serfs, and insolently twirled their moustaches and sprawled on the benches.!``

``The boat reached the bank; out of it stepped the witcher. He was in no happy mood: bitter to him was the funeral feast which the Cossacks had kept over their slain master. Heavily had the Poles paid for it: forty-four of them in all their harness and thirty-three servants were hacked to pieces, while the others were captured with their horses to be sold to the Tartars.``

``In a deep underground cellar at Danilo`s the sorcerer lay bound in iron chains ... while his devilish castle above the Dnieper was on fire... It was not for sorcery, it was not for ungodly deeds that the sorcerer lay in the underground cellar - for his wickedness God was his judge; it was for secret treachery that he was imprisoned, for plotting with the foes of Orthodox Russia to sell to Catholics the Ukrainian people and burn Christian churches....``

books.google.ca/books?id=hKwQHm3uYoAC&pg=PA156&lpg=PA156&dq=the+Cracovienne+with+their+impious+priest&source=bl&ots=AAitSp7iB-&sig=-NTzqKMTUStj_lNoJZvz-lFDQ3Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JKqfUJ3OEO2D0QHJgYG4Dw&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Thank you, Sofijuvka! You have good taste.But Michail Shafutinskiy is rather pop singer or even ``criminal chanson`` singer, not a classical singer.I would not advise you to spend time on it.There is lot of much better Russian singers.What about Ukrainian songs?:

youtube.com/watch?v=R0qGUw3Xxsk
youtube.com/watch?v=13zuRULFrJI
youtube.com/watch?v=V_yvGNuj7OI
youtube.com/watch?v=I4idGAQ2RQw
youtube.com/watch?v=lgScVTu7RqM&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=ZCq2uFNJieQ&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=55z-ufooOPQ
youtube.com/watch?v=v8kV1sLi6b0
youtube.com/watch?v=VouDm1IiZPE&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=y18Ycw_Dolc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=8QNWmki48rU
youtube.com/watch?v=K0njrV1c3Zg&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=4qqg-QCTTJU&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=scMaPTGiHcE&feature=related

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But somebody tried to switch conversation to communism and some bolshevik hicks?

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

Is here on this forum some pepole who were witnesses of life in former pre 1990 Yugoslavia?
As I know officially all entreprises of this country were co-ops based on workers self-management.
Peolpe were free to go abroad and had access to any Western goods.Yugoslavian goods were
popular in USSR. Wel,l if Yugoslavian government didn`t have to prevent immigration out of
country perhapse they lived not to bad?..

History / Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians? [281]

I do not claim, of course, that Stallin tried willingly to help Poland to liberate them from Nazies.
But what he supposed to do?To proclaim war on Germany just because of Poland? Currently
it is unknown what were planes of Stanlin.Viktor Suvorov in his book ``Ledokol`` (I do not advise
you to read it, it`s boring) claimed that Stallin planned to invade Europe under war on Nazies
exuse.And he just wanted to gain time to prepare for this war.But even if Stalin would do it and
won the war, then you would again claim that he is agressor and tried to impant communism
anywhere including Poland.And that he supposed to lost 20+ millions of people just to liberate
Poland and allow Poles to eat borsch when stupid Russians do all the job and after to remove
all the troops from Poland and allow them to live their decadent capitalist lifes.

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There was almost no Kievan Rus city which would surrender to Mongols without bloody battle.Looses among Tataro-Mongols were huge and their forces utterly exhausted.And Russians were able to recover their strength quite soon.For example they beated Tatars on Kulikovo Field in 1380.After that another raw of bloody battles followed.