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Polish relation about Russians, Ukrainians?


Vlad123 7 | 204
27 Oct 2012  #1
Hi, guys!
Wanted to ask you what feelings have Polish people towards
Russians and Ukrainians?

Thanks!
1jola 14 | 1,879
27 Oct 2012  #2
About the same feelings we have for oceans and mountains.
Wulkan - | 3,251
27 Oct 2012  #3
feelings about Ukrainians:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

Feleengs about Russians:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_block

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Polish_Air_Force_Tu-154_crash

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
27 Oct 2012  #4
I comming soon with my answer. I wonder how could you put URL`s on this forum???
For now I just attach my file with anser and URL`s.
Wulkan - | 3,251
27 Oct 2012  #5
That map of Europe is based on the finger prints which means nothing.

All slavic languages are similar to some degree cause there used to be one slavic language centuries age before it splitted and independantly developed in separate countries.

for example I have no idea what your national hero Gagarin is saying before I hear the English interpreter lol
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
27 Oct 2012  #6
That map of Europe is based on the finger prints which means nothing.

I appreciate your joke, but it is not very well directed.
The map is based on 500.000 of different genetic markers inside of our genome.(genetic fingerprint is not a `` criminal`` fingerprint)

All slavic languages are similar to some degree cause there used to be one slavic language centuries age before it splitted and independantly developed in separate countries.

But not all of them are as similar as Russian and Polish.From my knowledge of Slavic languages I would tell that Polish is closest to Russian after Ukrainian. I created some textfile with similarities between Slavic languages.It seems that if you know three

languages Czech,Polish and Slovenian you could easily understand around 90-95 of basic and non-borrowed Russian words.
The most difficult part for mutual understanding between Poles and Russians is pronounciation.There seem to be some principal differences.And also stresses and tenses.Yet many words are easily intelligeble.It is estimated that around 60% of total vocabulary is similar (not even talk about basic vocabulary).

htt://how-to-learn-any-language.com/e/languages/similarities/russian/i ndex.html (add p in http)
And would you claim that famous expression of Gagarin ``Poekhali !`` is not intelligeble in Polish? The verb ``Ekhat``` is the same in both languages.

Sorry, the words in a text file mixed up a bit.
I tried to create a better version:

English - Polish - Russian
I - Ja - Ja
You - Ty - Ty
You (plural) - Vy - Vy
We - My - My
He - On - On
She - Ona - Ona
They - One - Oni
It - Ono - Ono
Them - Im, Ich - Im, Ich
Me - Mnje - Mnje
Who - Kto - Kto
What - Co - Chto
On - Na - Na
Under - Pod - Pod
Behind - Za - Za
From - Z - Iz, S
For - Dla - Dla
There - Tam - Tam
Here - Tutaj - Tut, Zdes
People - Ljude, narod - Ljudi, narod
God - Bog - Bog
Heart - Sertse - Sertse
Soul - Dusha - Dusha
Spirit - Dukh - Dukh
Head - Glova - Golova
Leg - Noga - Noga
Eye - Oko - Glaz, Oko (archaic)
Ear - Ukho - Ukho
Neck - Shija - Sheja
Nose - Nos - Nos
Cow - Krova - Korova
Horse - Kon` - Kon`
Dog - P`es - P`os
Tree - Drevo - Derevo
Sky - Nebo - Nebo
Heavens - Neb`osa - Nebesa
Paradise - Raj - Raj
Grass - Trava - Trava
Man - Chlovek - Chelovek
Male - Mezhchizna - Muzhchina
Little girl - Devchinka - Devochka
Lad - Khlopets - Khlopets
Eagle - Orzhel - Or`ol
Falkon - Sokol - Sokol
Flame - Plomen` - Plamja
Fire - Pozhar, Og`en` - Pozhar, Ogon`
Riot - Bunt - Bunt
Side - Strona - Storona
River - Reka - Reka
Sun - Slontse - Sontse
Earth - Zemja - Zemlja 50
Road - Droga - Doroga
Stone - Kamen` - Kamen`
Our - Nash - Nash
Beat - Bit` - Bit`
Leaf - Lisch - List
Friendship - Druzhba - Druzhba
Day - Den` - Den`
Night - Nots - Noch
Evening - Vechor - Vecher
Field - Pole - Pole
Snow - Sneg - Sneg
Finger - Palets - Palets
Green - Zel`ony - Zel`onyj
House - Dom - Dom
Castle - Zamek - Zamok
Forest - L`as - Les
Is - Jest - Jest`
Swim - Plyvat` - Plavat`
Fly - L`atach - Letat`
Light - Svjatlo - Svet
Broad - Sheroki - Shyrokij
High - Vysoki - Vysokij
Hail - Grad - Grad
Hair - Vlosy - Volosy
Freedom - Volnosch, Svoboda - Svoboda, Volnost`
Children - Deti - Deti
Language - Jezyk - Jazyk
Cherry - Vishnja - Vishnja
Apple - Jabko - Jabloko
Berry - Jagoda - Jagoda
Sweet - Slodki - Sladkij
Better - Lepshe - Luchshe
Corn - Kukuruza - Kukuruza
Wheat - Pshenitsa - Pshenitsa
Bread - Khleb - Khleb
Mouse - Mysh - Mysh
Sleap - Spat` - Spat`
Bitter - Gorzhki - Gor`kij
Fame - Slava - Slava
Rock - Skala - Skala
Wind - Vjatr - Veter
Yellow - Zhulty - Zholtyj
White - Bjaly - Belyj
Nail - Gvodz - Gvozd`
Ax - Topor - Topor
Sea - More - More
Window - Okno - Okno
Milk - Mleko - Moloko
Pigeon - Golob - Golub`
Fox - Lis - Lis
Volf - Vilk - Volk
Square - Kvadrat - Kvadrat
Honey - Mjod - Mjod
Wasp - Osa - Osa
Bee - Pschola - Pchela
Ring - Persten` - Persten`
Mountain - Gura - Gora
Plate - Plyta - Plita
Clothing - Odezh - Odezhda
Marry - Vesely - Vesjolyj
Image - Obraz - Obraz
Iron - Zheljazo - Zheljezo
Water - Voda - Voda
Droplet - Kroplja - Kaplja
Arrow - Strelka - Strelka, Strela
Clean - Chisty - Chistyj
Sinner - Greshnik - Greshnik
Cabbage - Kapusta - Kapusta
Carrot - Markhev - Morkov
See - Videt` - Videt`
Grandson - Vnuk - Vnuk
Brain - Muzg - Mozg
Meat - Mjeso - Mjaso
Butter - Maslo - Maslo
If - Esli - Esli
Poison - Jad - Jad
Mushrum - Grzhybek - Grib
Ore - Ruda - Ruda
Force - Sila - Sila
War - Vojna - Vojna
Battle - Boj, bitva - Boj, bitva
Eggs - Jajka - Jajtsa
Plum - Slivka - Sliva
Tooth - Zab - Zub
Pine - Sosna - Sosna
Linden - Lipa -Lipa
Sword - Mech - Mech
Wall - Stjana - Stena
Donkey - Osjol - Osjol
Goat - Koza,kozjol - Koza,kozjol
Pain - Bul` - Bol`
Bull - Byk - Byk
Teach - Uchit` - Uchit`
Fly (insect) - Mukha - Mukha
Beer - Pivo - Pivo
Raspberry - Malina - Malina
Where - Gde - Gde
Young - Mlody - Molodoj
Old - Stary - Staryj
Good - Dobro - Dobro
Evil - Zlo - Zlo
Right - Pravo - Pravo
Left - Levo - Levo
Truth - Pravda - Pravda
Plane - Samoljot - Samoljot
Drink - Pit` - Pit`
Write - Pisat` - Pisat`
Eat - Jest` - Jest`
Word - Slovo - Slovo
Justice - Spravedlivost` - Spravedlivost`
Unemployment - Bezrobotje - Bezrabotitsa
Clay - Glina - Glina
Glue - Klej - Klej
Know - Znat` - Znat`
Blood - Krev - Krov`
Poplar - Topolja - Topol`
Viburnum - Kalina - Kalina
Such - Taki - Takoj
Which - Ktury - Kotoryj
In - V - V
Grain - Zjarno - Zerno
Village - Sjalo - Selo
Garden - Ogorod - Ogorod
Fog - Mgla - Mgla
Beast - Zver` - Zver`
Tomato - Pomidor - Pomidor
Couple - Para - Para
Bow - Luk - Luk
Knife - Nuzh - Nozh
Spoon - Lyzhka - Lozhka
Urine - Moch - Mocha
Bitch - Suka - Suka
Shoot - Strel`at` - Strel`at`
Oak - Dab - Dub
Aspen - Osika - Osina
Saddle - S`odlo - Sedlo
Chestnut - Kashtan - Kashtan
Winter - Zima - Zima
Spring - V`osna - Vesna
Summer - L`ato - Leto
Automn - Jesen` - Osen`
Deer- Jelen` - Olen`
Lake - Jezero - Ozero
Juice - Sok - Sok
Ride - Jekhat` - Jekhat`
Crow - Vrona - Vorona
Kernel - Jadro - Jadro
Nut - Nakrentka,Orekh - Orekh
Pear - Grushka - Grusha
Wheel - Kolo - Koleso
Border - Granitsa - Granitsa
Rich - Bogaty - Bogatyj
Poor - Bedny - Bednyj
Hip - Bjodro - Bedro
Street - Ulitsa - Ulitsa
Late - Puzno - Pozno
Far - Daleko - Daleko
Near - Blizko - Blizko
Dust - Pyl - Pyl`
Choice - Vybor - Vybor
Health - Zdrovje - Zdorovje
Nest - Gn`azdo - Gnezdo
Cucumber - Ogurek - Ogurets
Feather - Pjuro - Pero
Thought - Mysl` - Mysl`
Hunger - Glod - Golod
Voice - Glos - Golos
Warmth - Teplo - Teplo
Wife - Zhona - Zhena
Husbend - Menzh - Muzh
Honor - Chesch - Chest`
Badger - Borsuk - Barsuk
And - I - I
Although - Khot`azh - Khot`a
Long - Dulgo, dulgi - Dolgo, dolgij
Few - Malo - Malo
Laugh - Smekh - Smekh
Bones - Kosti - Kosti
Desert - Pustynja - Pustynja
Needle - Igla - Igla
Create - Tvorit` - Tvorit`
Whom - Kogo - Kogo
Tribe - Plemja - Plemja
Widow - Vdova - Vdova
Read - Chytat` - Chitat`
Goods - Tovary - Tovary
Ready - Gotovy - Gotovyj
Fear - Strakh - Strakh
Elk - Los` - Los`
Important - Vazhny - Vazhnyj
Yours - Tvoj - Tvoj
Weak - Slaby -Slabyj
Guilt - Vina - Vina
Sheep - Ovtsa, Baran - Ovtsa, Baran
Quiet - Tihy - Tihij
Watermellon - Arbuz - Arbuz
Flax - Len - L`on
Soup (wash) - Mydlo - Mylo
Valley - Dolina - Dolina
Draw - Rysovach - Risovat`
Shoes - Obuve - Obuv`
Cancer - Rak - Rak
Half - Pol - Pol
Bottom - Dno - Dno
Shadow - Ten` - Ten`
Dark - T`emny - T`omnyj
Short - Krotki - Korotkij
Often - Cha(?)sto - Chasto
Price - Tsena - Tsena
Fish - Ryba - Ryba
Wound - Rana - Rana
Owl - Sova - Sova
My - Moj - Moj
Pig - Svin`a - Svinja
Game - Gra - Igra
Mare - Kobyla - Kobyla
Only - Tyl`ko - Tol`ko
Elbow - Loket` - Lokot`
Knee - Kol`ano - Koleno
Spade - Lopata - Lopata
Prayer - Modlitva - Molitva
Wild - Diki - Dikij
Descendant - Potomek - Potomok
End - Konets - Konets
Secret - Tajny - Tajnyj
Each - Kazhdy - Kazhdyj
Pay - Platit` - Platit`
Reward - Nagroda - Nagrada
Enemy - Vrug - Vrag
Perch - Okon` - Okun`
Hoof - Kopyto - Kopyto
Sew - Shit` - Shit`
Root - Korzhen` - Koren`
Paw - Lapa - Lapa
Without - Bez - Bez
Spark - Iskra - Iskra
Repeat - Povtorzhat` - Povtorjat`
Dough - Tjasto - Testo
Odor - Zapakh - Zapakh
Mole - Kret - Krot
Chin - Podbrudek - Podborodok
Horseshoe - Podkova - Podkova
Joy - Radoshch - Radost`
Cap - Chapka - Shapka
Weather - Pogoda - Pogoda
Senior - Starshy - Starshyj
Bridge - Most - Most
Meaning - Znachen`e - Znachenie
Otherwise - Inachej - Inache
Market - Rynek - Rynok
Threshold - Prog - Porog
Expression - Vyrazhen`e - Vyrazhenie
Eternity - Vechnoshch - Vechnost`
Garlic - Chosnek - Chesnok
Divide - Delit` - Delit`

English - Czech - Russian

Island - Ostrov - Ostrov
Tender - Nezhnij - Nezhnyj
Hand - Ruka - Ruka
Sound - Zvuk - Zvuk
Many - Mnogo - Mnogo
Door - Dvere - Dver`
Hope - Nadeje - Nadezhda
Forehead - Chelo - Chelo (archaic)
Jaw - Chelest - Chel`ust`
Cheese - Syr - Syr
Speech - Rech - Rech
Circle - Kruh - Krug
All - Vshe - Vse
Against - Proti - Protiv
Pipe - Trubka - Trubka, truba
Flour - Muka - Muka
Father - Otets - Ot`ets
Light - Svetlo - Svet
Do - Delat - Delat`

English - Slovenian - Russian
Mister - Gospod - Gospodin
Star - Zvezda - Zvezda
Glass - Steklo - Steklo
Skin - Kozha - Kozha
Speak - Govorimo - Govorit`
Speak - Govorimo - Govorit`
Propose - Predlagati - Predlagat`
Propose - Predlagati - Predlagat`
Search - Iskanje - Iskat`
Street - Ulitsa - Ulitsa
Zukeross - | 4
28 Oct 2012  #7
Hi

I`m from Poland and sorry but i cant forgot what Russian did in Second War and after. They destroy us. We hate each other :D

But i can smoke or drink with Russians people its no problem ;)
peterweg 36 | 2,316
28 Oct 2012  #8
Poland's eastern neighbors, with whom relations have been troubled in recent history, (Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians), as well as Jews, Chinese and Vietnamese, belong to the third category. Poles are as likely to feel negative as positive towards them.

Poles More Tolerant
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #9
I`m from Poland and sorry but i cant forgot what Russian did in Second War and after. They destroy us. We hate each other

Could I know how old are you? Do you remember something that happened 70 years ago? And what exactly Russians did wrong in WWII against of Poles? And why do you believe that Poles and Russians hate each other? Did you encounter any Russian who told you that? I know a lot about Russians and Ukrainians and from what I know they are

absolutely not trubled with any hate towards Poles are any other European nation.Well maybe with exception of Germans in some rare cases. Maybe such reaction was provoked by some racism that this Russian experienced in Poland? And does you relation to Ukrainians differs somehow to relation to Russians?

About the same feelings we have for oceans and mountains.

According to this genetic map of Europe (enlarge image)
news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2008/09/02-02.html
Poles and Russians are one of the most closest nations in Europe genetically.
Their icons are even overlapping! (I think they meant ethnical Russians and not
just citizens of Russia).
Polish lang. seems to be suspiciously similar to Russian, basic and older
vacabulary is either identical or very similar. And isn`t Russians made so many
wondering acheivements that somebody not to be proud to be somehow close to
Russians? For example: First man in the space, first artificial satellite, first TOKAMAK,
largest hydrogen bomb and the largest country in the World.
And didn`t Russian saved Poles from total distruction? For example: they saved them
from full scale Tataro-Mongol invasion, they saved them from Swedes (Poland was devastated
by Swedes), they saved them from German Nazies. I guess you know that Nizies planned to
eliminate 80-85 % of Poles and rest of them either sterilize or send in Siberia?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

And didn`t Russian supplied Poland during times of Comecon with cheap gas, oil and all the
resources and instead bought Polish production goods for a full price? And protected their
border from another Nazi invasion?

As I know Poland received its name from tribe of Western Polianes who lived there.But beside
Western Polians there were also Eastern Polianes who according to wikipedia:
``Polans were dominated by Rus Waregs (Vikings) and played a key role in the formation of Ukrainian genetics.`` en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polans_(eastern)

And Ukrainian lang. seems to be even closer to Polish in some vocabulary aspects than Russian.
And didn`t Poland conquired and ruled substantial part of modern Ukraine for a hundreds of years?
And didn`t they received all the products and spoils from it?

Russians, Ukrainians and Poles all claim that borsch and vodka is their national food and drink and invented
by them and only by them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_block [EXT]

I didn`t understand exactly what was primary guilt of Russians in the first two cases.They protected
Polish borders for free of charge and do you think that this is Russians who organized Kachinski
crash???

What is concerning to Katyn massacre, there is still lot of misterious.For example majority of Polish
officers were killed from German weapon (including heavy machine gans) what was quite not typical
for NKVD. Up to date Russia recognized that death of only under 2.000 of Polish officers from NKVD
have some documentary evidence and not over 20.000 as total number of estimated.For example:
``Chief Military Prosecutor Alexander Savenkov announced that the investigation was able to confirm the deaths of 1,803 out of 14,542 Polish citizens who had been sentenced to death while in three Soviet camps``.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

And who actually were exactly people who gave order to execute Polish officers? Were they ethnical Russians? And what
relation does it have to modern ethical Russians and modern Russia???
There is also serious claims that even those small documentary evidence (with orders of Josef Stalin and Lavrenti Beria)
was complitely faked.Therefore the Katyn case completely failed in Russian constitutional court. (many years ago).
As I know recently Poles applied in European court in hope to receive 100 billions USD from Russia (the case already failed)
because of Katyn.But in the same time I didn`t hear that any Pole would apply in court agains German Nazies who killed in WWII

at least 2 millions of ethnical Poles.There should be millions (!) of families in Poland who lost some relatives in that massacre.
This is where a real field for a courts and reparations! Doesn`t it seem to you?
Grzegorz_ 51 | 6,163
28 Oct 2012  #10
have Polish people towards
Russians and Ukrainians?

Russians: neutral
Ukrainians: neutral
Russia (state): negative
Ukraine: neutral

Pretty much like that in most cases I think...
legend 3 | 664
28 Oct 2012  #11
Well I am not in Poland, but am ethnically Polish. My view points wouldnt change regardless where I live.

For me its a sad thing Poland is "sucking up" to Germany and USA and there appears to be some hate to the Russians.

Because of geography/politics Germany-Poland-Ukraine/Russia have had LOTS of conflicts. Those were sad events.
But I think its time to move on and fix these problems.

Someone told me that the German-Polish relationship is based more on economy than real friendship. Not sure how accurate that is.

There was an interesting article or video (cant remember) which showed the Polish relationship to neighboring countries. If someone has it that would be great. It had the percentages and details.

WWII happened over 60 years ago. The Germans killed more Poles than the Russians did over decades during that war.
Communism is still fresh in many peoples mind. Those were rough times (which is why my family left Poland to Canada). Many Poles feel that Communism halted the potential progress Poland might have gained under different circumstances.

There were also other conflicts historically for 1000 years. Its a huge topic.

Let me say this that I value Russians more than average Pole views on Russia. I think as Slavs Poland might gain more from having close neighbour friends.

I mean what the hell did the West to do help Poland in WWII? Nothing. Today Poland is just a shield against Russia/Iran or whatever "enemies" there might be.

The situation (and "hatred") between Poles-Russians is kind of like Croats-Serbians. I feel these are the two largest examples of conflicts between Slavic nations.

With that said there are some Poles who are okay with Russians and some who dont like them.

I used to think a Slavic Union might be good thing, but these conflicts are very deep in the hearts of Poles/Russians/etc.
MiedzyMorze might be a better type of Union. It includes all of Eastern / Southeastern Europe excluding Russians.

I feel anything is better than NATO. I simply hate NATO for the amount of deaths and carnage it has done to the world.
If Warsaw Pact is over, really NATO should be ended too.
Wulkan - | 3,251
28 Oct 2012  #12
And would you claim that famous expression of Gagarin ``Poekhali !`` is not intelligeble in Polish? The verb ``Ekhat``` is the same in both languages

I don't know what are you talking about... and him.

youtube.com/watch?v=MzzBr65ZFwM
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #13
Communism is still fresh in many peoples mind. Those were rough times (which is why my family left Poland to Canada). Many Poles feel that Communism halted the potential progress Poland might have gained under different circumstances.

I`m really sad that Poland was not able to go a way that majority of Polish polulation would chose.But mostly this is due to one person who (after everything that USSR experienced in WWII) decided that Polish government should be pro-Soviet and only, - Josef Stalin.

But it would be too much to say that what experienced Poland was a Russian ocupation.There was no USSR citizens in Polish government.Everithing was ruled by ethnical Poles.Many people supported Comunist party of Poland (especially in 1940-s).And take in account that in 1945 the capitalism still didn`t demonstrate high life standards anywhere in the World and many people in both Poland and USSR seriously believed in future of comunism.What is concerning to life standards in particular Comunist country then, as I could understand, it also depended a lot on aptitude of local government and people. I know almost for sure that in some Comunist countries such as Eastern Germany, Czech republic, former Yugoslavia and Hungary life standards were substantially higher than in USSR.And up to now are remembered as quite prestine. I do not know if Poland was one of them. In some of those countries people were allowed to immigrate more or less freely.For example is you watched movie Kolya [imdb.com/title/tt0116790] which depicts pre - 1989 Czech rep. it is mentioned that some relatives of main hero have immigrated in Western countries.Still USSR did not dictate to Poland what to do on each occursion.For example when some influential Poles decided that Władysław Gomułka who served in USSR camps before should become Polish national leader, Nikita Khruschev was angry and thought to enter army, but Poles threated with army too and USSR was enforced to give up.

In comparison to USSR comunism in Poland was a bit different, some private property both in cities and villages was permitted.And so-called comunism existed in Poland 44 years only (1945-1989) or even less and Poland is already 23 years (1989-2012) is completely independent country (how they call it).Did it acheive so high life standards that you would want to return back in Poland?

I`ve read that somewhen in 2012 official unemployment in Poland peaked at 13.3%.I saw some video about sad Polish woman who said she is unemployed and have no money for food and kindergarder for her children.I wonder what was unemployment in Poland before 1989?And how much would you have to pay for kindergarden during comunism? Well, the info that I have about Polish economy is very controversal.Some pro-Western sorces claim it make large successes in economy and even enter World markets.

I wonder with what products - the Cracow`s kielbasa? Unfortunatelly, I still didn`t hear a lot about Polish cars or electronics.
And also we have to remember that pre - 1939 Poland was not a democracy. From history of Poland: ``In 1935 a new Polish Constitution was adopted, but Piłsudski soon died and his protégé successors drifted toward open authoritarianism.Opposition voices were increasingly harassed or jailed, a situation that was not surprising in view of the regime's growing fears over national security.``

``As happened elsewhere in Central Europe, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, the attempt to implant democracy did not succeed.`` ``Polish agriculture suffered from the usual handicaps of Eastern European nations: technological backwardness, low productivity, and lack of capital and access to markets. The former German areas in the west had better rainfall and soil quality and were the most productive, while the former Russian and Austrian areas were below-average.`` ``In the east by contrast, Ukrainian and Belorussian peasants tilled for Polish landowners and no serious moves toward land redistribution were taken.``

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918%E2%80%931939)#From_democracy_to_authoritarian_government
So nobodies knows exactly what way Poland would really go...

The Germans killed more Poles than the Russians did over decades during that war.

I have doubts that ethnical Russians comitted any deliberate mass murder of Poles ever in history, all such claimes should be
analyzed and proved.

The situation (and "hatred") between Poles-Russians is kind of like Croats-Serbians.

I would tell that in difference from Croats - Serbians who have recent hatred escalation, Russian-Polish hatred is not mutual since Russians have no any backward thinking about Poles.Well, they realize, of course, that they likely to experience some kind of racist treatment in Poland or from side of Poles but I would not tell it leads to some real hatred.The best think that Russians,Ukrainians and Belorussians could ever experience from side of Poles is a treatment on idividual basis and without collective prejudice.

I don't know what are you talking about... and him.

I have to explain. The famous expression of Gagarin ``Pojekhali``
means ``let`s go`` in Russian.This verb is formed from word jezdit` which also exist in Polish. For example Jeźdić, wjechać, etc.
The interview with Gagarin contains lots of newer vocabulary and words formed from borrowed roots.I didn`t claim that spoken Russian should be strongly intelligeble for a Poles.To understand if those languages have common roots you have to make some linguistic researches.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
28 Oct 2012  #14
Up to date Russia recognized that death of only under 2.000 of Polish officers from NKVD
have some documentary evidence and not over 20.000 as total number of estimated.For example:

They have Stalins signature for the death sentence of 22,000 Polish officers and of course most of the bodies have been counted. Russia has also admitted responsibility. At the same time around 1.5 million Poles were deported to Siberia where half died in the two winters they were there.

Please don't try and make up excuse for Stalin as its not believable or acceptable.

But it would be too much to say that what experienced Poland was a Russian ocupation.

Right, the hundreds of thousands of Russians soldiers on Polish soil, directly controlling the Polish army and killing thousands of Poles who resisted is not an occupation? Poland fought the first Soviet invasion in 1939.
sofijufka 2 | 191
28 Oct 2012  #15
I have doubts that ethnical Russians comitted any deliberate mass murder of Poles ever in history, all such claimes should be analyzed and proved

o really? And what about massacre of Praga[1794], an suburb of Warsaw?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Praga

After the battle ended, the Russian troops, against the orders given by Suvorov before the battle, started to loot and burn the entire borough of Warsaw (allegedly in revenge for the slaughter or capture of over half the Russian Garrison in Warsaw[6] during the Warsaw Uprising in April 1794, when about 2,000 Russian soldiers died[7]). Almost all of the area was pillaged and inhabitants of the Praga district were tortured, raped and murdered[citation needed]. The exact death toll of that day remains unknown, but it is estimated that up to 20,000 people were killed.[4] Suvorov himself wrote: "The whole of Praga was strewn with dead bodies, blood was flowing in streams."[8] It was thought that unruly Cossack troops were partly to blame for the uncontrolled destruction.[9] Suvorov tried to stop the massacre by ordering the destruction of the bridge to Warsaw over the Vistula river [10] with the purpose of preventing the spread of violence to Warsaw. Other historians dispute this
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #16
After the battle ended, the Russian troops, against the orders given by Suvorov before the battle

Suvorov tried to stop the massacre by ordering the destruction of the bridge to Warsaw over the Vistula river

You see, it was not deliberate.Under deliberate I mean something that was pre-planed as an ethnical cleansing of
Poles by Russian government or any more or less organized Russian force.

At the same time around 1.5 million Poles were deported to Siberia where half died in the two winters they were there.

Could you give me a reliable link about it? Is it mentioned in wikipedia?

Please don't try and make up excuse for Stalin as its not believable or acceptable.

I`m not going to exuse Stalin on this forum, but the topic I started was about relation of Poles towars Russians and Ukrainians.
And what was nationality of Stalin?
Those document that allegedly were signed by Stalin quite possibly are fake.The circumstances of Katyn case is still seriously disputed by some Russian researchers.I could propose you movie ``The Katyn meaness``

youtube.com/watch?v=nK3fmBh4uzQ
The movie is only in Russian.But if you live in Poland I guess it would not be very difficult to find older person who speaks Russian.I would tell immediately that I do not take everithing in this movie as a granted truth, but in second part of movie they provide interesting argument why some Katyn documents or witnesses could be fake.The authors of movie are inclined to believe that majority of Polish officers were killed by German Nizies and they decided to hang this massacre on ``bolsheviks``.

And is it mentioned in wiki about Stalins signature for death of 22.000 Polish officers?Could you give me a link to it and give exact citation?
sofijufka 2 | 191
28 Oct 2012  #17
Could you give me a reliable link about it? Is it mentioned in wikipedia?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_transfer_in_the_Soviet_Union

derekcrowe.com/post.aspx?id=31
info-poland.buffalo.edu/classroom/sibir/gehenna.html
bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/83/a7652883.shtml
vimeo.com/36160916
wajszczuk.v.pl/polski/drzewo/czytelnia/michael_hope.htm
Wulkan - | 3,251
28 Oct 2012  #18
But not all of them are as similar as Russian and Polish.From my knowledge of Slavic languages I would tell that Polish is closest to Russian after Ukrainian.

LMAO! this is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. However you was not far off claiming that Ukrainian is closest to Russian cause it's actually second, right after Balerusian. Number 3 and 4 goes to Bulgarian and Macedonian with 90% of shared vocabulary with Russian, place number 5 would go to Serbian over Croatian that is number 6 due to the latin alphabet used in the last one, and now eventually you could argue that Polish is the 7th closest language to Russian.

I used to think a Slavic Union might be good thing

lol man, it's like admitting that you used to be insane. You better keep it to yourself.
peterweg 36 | 2,316
28 Oct 2012  #19
The authors of movie are inclined to believe that majority of Polish officers were killed by German Nizies and they decided to hang this massacre on ``bolsheviks``

Nobody outside of Russia believes that the Soviet Union was not responsible.
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #20
Number 3 and 4 goes to Bulgarian and Macedonian with 90% of shared vocabulary with Russian, place number 5 would go to Serbian over Croatian that is number 6

I wouldn`t advise you to take those statements as granted.This site was not created by people who`s first language is Russian or other Slavic languages.While I do not argue with their statement that at least 60% of Russian and Polish vocabulary is similar, I would not tell that Bulgarian or Serbo-Croatian is any closer to Russian than Polish.It would be even unlikely because those countries are more distant from Russia than Poland.I heard most of Slavic languages and saw them in writen form.I would tell that with exception of Ukrainian and Belorussian the only Slavic language which is at least somehow intelligeble to me is Polish.Bulgarian of course have lot of similarities too, but both pronounciation and vocabulary is more difficult intelligeble than Polish.I would not even tell that Belorussian and Ukrainian are more identical to Russian than Polish.They have their own specifics in how words are pronounced and writen.For example many Belorussian words sound quite awkward to me.My native languages are Russian and Ukrainian.If we take the very basic vocabulary (like ones that I provided in a text file), then it is difficult to find more striking similarities as between Russian and Polish.Even regardless different pronounciation and stresses.

Poland fought the first Soviet invasion in 1939.

Also I do not justify any invasions we have remark objectively that if Stalin would not capture Eastern Polish territories the same thing
would certanly do Hitler with even more disastrous consequences to local population.And what was use of Polish resistance to Soviets if in the same time Polish army didn`t want to make any serious resistance to Hitler? All Polish comandment escaped only under sight of German army. And those territories were populated also by Ukrainians and Belorussians.Why would Russians suppose to allow Hitler to massacre them?
Wulkan - | 3,251
28 Oct 2012  #21
This site was not created by people who`s first language is Russian or other Slavic languages.

I don't know what site you are talking about, I made my statement based on my life experience and I also checked what Russian native speakers think about it in yahoo answers and majority would mark Polish at 7th place in similarity to Russian. I'm sorry to disapoint you but I think your judgement is skewed cause you speak Ukrainian too which is a bit more similar to Polish than Russian is.
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #22
I made my statement based on my life experience and I also checked what Russian native speakers think about it in yahoo answers and majority would mark Polish at 7th place in similarity to Russian.

I advise you not to spent time on different forums where different loosers stick around and do some research yourself.
For example: use google translator and enter some word in English and check how it sounds in Polish, Russian, Bulgarian, Serbo-Croatian and any other language. Polish is 7 place to Russian? Eyewash.After which exactly languages? Mongol and Tartar for sure?

When I stated similarities between Russian and Polish I didn`t take in account alphabet similarities.What is use of cyrilic alphabet in Macedonian if I can`t understand too many words?And in the same time I could read in Latin alphabet and understand more Polish words?

To sofijufka:
You provided many links to info but doesn`t it seem that they even contradict each other?For example: One article states:

In 1992 she bought a camera, taught herself the craft and started recording the testimonies of the dwindling witnesses to the Siberian genocide. Around 20% of those deported were Jewish; of the 1.7 million total, it is estimated that around 400,000 survived.

So total nuber of dead victimes suppose to be 1.4 millions.
While wikipedia article states:

Previously it was believed that about 1.0 million Polish citizens died at the hands of the Soviets,[12] however recently Polish historians, based mostly on queries in Soviet archives, estimate the number of deaths at about 350,000 people deported in 1939-1945

I wonder how they so mercifully reduced number of total dead from 1.4 millions to 1 millions and after to 350.000?
Do you seriously take those numers as granted? And maybe with time they will reduce them for another 300.000?
And what was actually a sense to deport peaceful Polish or Jewish population in Siberia for a certain death?Why not to use them usefully for example for military production works during the war?
Wulkan - | 3,251
28 Oct 2012  #23
Polish is 7 place to Russian? Eyewash.After which exactly languages? Mongol and Tartar for sure?

I already wrote it:

1.Belarusian
2.Ukrainian
3.Bulgarian
4.Macedonian
5.Serbian
6.Croatian
7.Polish

And in the same time I could read in Latin alphabet and understand more Polish words?

because you speak Ukrainian too which borrowed many words from Polish...

use google translator and enter some word in English and check how it sounds in Polish, Russian, Bulgarian, Serbo-Croatian

I don't need to use google translator, I have Russian people at work and I don't understand them and vice versa apart from ocasionally hearing some similar words which usualy happen to be false friends.
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
28 Oct 2012  #24
1.Belarusian
2.Ukrainian
3.Bulgarian
4.Macedonian
5.Serbian
6.Croatian
7.Polish

Surely Montenegrin and Bosnian are higher on the list, too?
boletus 30 | 1,366
28 Oct 2012  #25
One of the methods of measuring the linguistic distance between Polish and other Slavic languages is based on phonetic similarities. The data was collected by calculating frequency of occurrence of certain speech sound chains of consonants and vowels, which included nine basic phonemic patterns typical for Polish: labial, apical, palatal, guttural, sonorant, occlusive, fricative, voiced and vowels. This is a work of Yuri Tambovtsev, from Novosibirsk Pedagogical University, Novosibirsk,

hss.fullerton.edu/linguistics/cln/SP10PDF/Tamb-Polish.pdf

There are probably many other linguistic distance measures. I am not particularly supporting this point of view but since it seems reasonably interesting I decided to demonstrate one of the tables taken from that work:

Distances between Polish and other languages
The ordered distance series (TMB coefficient) between Polish and the other Slavonic languages on the basis of the nine phonetic features is the following:
Polish - Czech (9.32)
Polish - Slovak (11.99)
Polish - Sorbian (15.60)
Polish - Belarusian (17.11)
Polish - Ukrainian (23.72)
Polish - Russian (24.99)
Polish - Slovene (25.46)
Polish - Old Russian (30.54)
Polish - Serbo-Croatian (34.81)
Polish - Bulgarian (53.60)
Polish - Macedonian (66.29)
OP Vlad123 7 | 204
28 Oct 2012  #26
Surely Montenegrin and Bosnian are higher on the list, too?

Eyewash.None of Southern Slavic langauges are even closer to Russian than Polish.
Neither in vocabulary or pronounciation.
Ironside 48 | 9,707
28 Oct 2012  #27
And didn`t Russian saved Poles from total distruction

Are you taking the ****?
If not educate yourself before posting rubbish that Russia and soviet were continuously and generously helping Poland. Geee!
delphiandomine 83 | 17,626
28 Oct 2012  #28
Polish – Czech (9.32)
Polish – Slovak (11.99)
Polish – Sorbian (15.60)

Yet - funnily enough - to my ears, Slovak and Sorbian are easily understood, but Czech is much harder. Even in reading - Sorbian is much easier than Czech.
Wulkan - | 3,251
28 Oct 2012  #29
Eyewash.None of Southern Slavic langauges are even closer to Russian than Polish.Neither in vocabulary or pronounciation.

rather then arguing with facts better tell us what are you trying to prove with your bigotry.
Lenka 2 | 1,405
28 Oct 2012  #30
I like Russians and Ukrainians (in my imagination that is, since I don't really know any) and as to the language...
Not one of my friends can understand a Russian sentence.Before I started to learn Russian I could only hear single words but after I learnt a thing or two Russian vocabulary was quite easy.The thing is that you have to learn some rules and then it's like opening the door-suddenly you see all the similarities.I have to disappoint you Vlad -most Poles don't understand Russian and Czech or Slovakian would be much more legible to them.

I used to think a Slavic Union might be good thing,

Incarnation of Crow :D

P.S.Vlad pls don't say that we were saved by Soviet Union in WWII.We were stabbed in the back is more like it.


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