Law / Penalty points on driving licences in Poland [26]

All semantics anyway cos in Poland your points only stay in your license for a year. If it's touch and go with points you can always contest via the courts, and the process is so long that by the time your trial comes your points will have been wiped anyway. Explains the happy standard of driving. No one gives a **** about points here cos they don't need to.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

And now I'm just going to go back to lurking again and rolling my eyes from the sidelines.

Where's the facepalm smiley when you need one?

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


Again Polonius. Different feminists, different viewpoints.

There are pro life feminists, who would be rather unhappy at your depiction of them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life_feminism

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

I doubt Polonnius would advocate I-feminism because of its very strong pro choice stance.


And polinius, I have not officially declared you anything. If you wish to describe yourself as a feminist that is up to you!

Feminism simply asks for equality between genders. If you want that then you are feminist. The argument is how we reach equality and in what form

I consider myself Humanist first. But a liberal, sex positive feminist second because I concede that equality (how I would define it) has not yet been reached.

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

Click on the link provided. It's all there for you.

You, Polonius, are a cultural feminist.

Cultural feminism: Focuses on women's inherent differences from men, including their "natural" kindness, tendencies to nurture, pacifism, relationship focus, and concern for others. Opposes an emphasis on equality and instead argues for increased value placed on culturally designated "women's work."

As for i-feminsim
lmgtfy.com/?q=i-feminism

And yes, there is also Christian feminism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_feminism

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]


I didn't say I was offended. The shame belongs to those touting illogical rubbish which is gravitating around their own confirmation bias. So you can keep your label of "offended" and also keep your straw man effigies of "offended women" coming out in their droves.

There is no point in arguing specifics with people who when confronted with widely accepted accepted ideas and stats by the vast majority of sociologists, in response give out rather dubious statistics for rather dubious sources. In this way it's like trying to argue with creationists. It doesn't matter what evidence you show. It is simply ignored as people have invested too much ego and emotion into it.


As for this: as with every social, or political movements there are radicals in every corner. My question to you is what kind of feminist are you (as well as others) addressing here?

Social feminism?
Marxist feminism?
Sex positive feminism?
Reformist feminism?
I-feminism?
Radical Feminism?
Cultural feminism?
Difference feminism?
Liberal feminism>

Because all these groups have vastly different ideas of what feminism is, and how to tackle inequality, some of whom are also taking on angles of politics, gender, sexuality and race.

FWIW, I think modern radical feminists have done a hell of a lot of damage to the egalitarianism of feminist movement. As with most movements, the ones who shout the most get the most attention (and usually these people come from a biased position to start with). Other feminists are actively trying to repair the damage caused by these screaming idiots, but I don't actually expect the nuances and the history to be discussed here - partly because no one here seems to be bothered about reading any of the vast streams of literature on the subject - relying solely on "feelings" but mainly because of the vast lack of cranial ability of the most prominent "screamers" on this forum, and their inability to tell the difference between good and bad research.

For those interested, here's a link describing the different socio-political aspects of the feminist movement. Which ones do you agree with?

Knock yourselves out. Or don't.

sparkcharts.sparknotes.com/womens/womens/section4.php

Life / Professional feminists' of Poland meet-up [631]

I've been reading this thread from the beginning. I can't be bothered to contributesubstantially to various points made because there is too much frothing and obvious seething hatred from some posters on here. Also, good soundly reasoned arguments are ignored because they don't fit with certain viewpoints. Confirmation bias is rife while academic reading and a basic knowledge of sociology and history seem to be severely lacking.

It's really kind of sad that there is so much ignorance perpetrated by some of the most prolific posters. I puts Poland in a bad light and tbh I'm bored of posting here because of the astounding logical hoops some posters seem to jump through.

F-stop and Englishman, you guys have put un an astounding effort. Thanks for showing that not all living in Poland are bereft of critical thought.

Really some of the opinions about "women" on this thread are shameful.

Work / Teaching English in Poland....CELTA or TESOL certificate? [66]

I was talking about the CELTA itself. I didn't realise you had already started it.

Getting a job will be much easier with a graded pass, as in my experience most schools will forgive lack of experience over it.

Finding a job in March will be difficult but not impossible. I found one in February last year, but it was only a couple of lessons per week plus cover- not much to scrape by on but I was lucky because I had no accommodation costs.

I worked my bum off, and said yes to everything, and now I've got a pretty sweet deal. I work 9-5 ish with only one late finish at 7.45, 28 (actual) hours per week and I don't work weekends.

If you're lucky you might be able to wing a place in a school that pay your tax and ZUS directly. I did, and so I get a little less cash in my hand, but overall if you work it out on pre-tax I think it works out a winner, because I don't need to worry about getting sick.

Don't be afraid to say no to schools if their contract is shocking. You don't want to work for a school where the staff are taken the **** out of. One joker offered me 55pln per 90 minutes without paying tax or ZUS - all lessons were pre prepared (that was his excuse), another said that if I was sick during the contracted times of work that I would personally have to find my own cover. The money was better 40-50pln per 50mins but she didn't pay ZUS either.

This is in Krakow.

If you're not tied in to where you can work, like I am, I'd advise going to a smaller, less saturated place where demand for natives is higher. You'll command a better salary, and be in demand. Others can advise you on these places. I'm pretty much in the worst place for ESL, but I couldn't choose where to work.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Work / Teaching English in Poland....CELTA or TESOL certificate? [66]

Work hard and aim for a graded pass. Rule of thumb for the CELTA; IF you think "That'll do", it probably won't.

Prepare to have no life. Not even weekends.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Ray Comfort (The guy who produced this video), is a religious fruitcake, Young Earth Creationist, and a moron and has been debunked many times as evidenced by the debate between him and thunderfoot. He's an ill-educated nut. Ad-hominem? You bet! Doesn't make him any less of a repulsive individual though... no one takes him seriously.

Ladies and gentlemen I give you bananaman:

youtube.com/embed/YfucpGCm5hY

More Ray Comfort:

Here they talk about morality. There's a bit about abortion in here. This video is far better than the last one.

youtu.be/1Bn62F5pvp0

History / What do Poles owe to Hungarians? [233]

In Return the Poles never ratified the ghastly Trianon treaty. So the thanks are reciprocated.

Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [252]

We love you too!

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Why is it a good question? We could grow an endless amount of any type of cell in a lab. It's a completely pointless question. I don't even understand why it's being asked to be honest.

Why are we attempting to draw parallels between the human brain to that of a fruit fly?

Why are we trying to compare a small functioning brain of a completely different animal to a quite frankly small number of human brain cells which are completely non-functional? Are we going to start counting heart cells in petri dishes?

A fully developed human brain contains 100 billion FUNCTIONING neurons. WTF have fruit flies got to do with it?

A bunch of cells does or the number of them does not equate to life. Its the interaction which they have with other cells and in turn the outside world which is important.

Ridiculous.

Babies are born with all the brain cells theye are going to have, the same number as an adult.

A fully developed fruit fly's brain contains 0.0001% of the cells of a fully developed human brain (in numbers). But here's the rub..... It's a fruit fly.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Tbh I'm not sure what question Foreigner4 is supposed to be evading. How wrong is it is, IMO, a very good question.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

P3undone. I'm in my mobile so I'll respond with a list of what you could do later.

Needless to say, if I genuinely thought that the state were sanctioning murder, I would be doing a dam sight more about it than posting anonymously on an internet forum.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I understand it completely. It's perfectly o.k to view things both as a principle and in reality. Reality is always more complicated. So the two views aren't mutually opposing.

In principle Foreigner4 doesn't like the idea of abortion, however in reality he is aware of the thousands of different complications that can arise with outsiders forcing rather life changing decisions on others , and so doesn't do much about it.

People such as 4reigner in principle are against "the murder of unborn children" (paraphrasing him), but in reality don't actually do much about it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Insults..... nice!!! I'd like to congratulate you.

You seem to have missed a few things:


A pregnant woman also keeps a "developing child" artificially alive. Let it develop outside the womb and see what happens. A woman is the ultimate, organic life support and development machines.


WRONG. Life support machines are not just used in cases where the person would definitely have been dead.. at least get your facts straight before you type rubbish, and have the nerve to call me stupid. The people who go on life support machines have a very high percentage of survival. Otherwise they wouldn't be on there in the first place. Doctors don't hook up every dying person to them for a reason.


WRONG AGAIN. There is no guarantee a developing child will ever be alive, as between 50 and 70 percent of all first trimester pregnancies are miscarried, so a pregnancy is no guarantee of life.


So what? I haven't been pregnant, but that doesn't mean that I should be silenced? If you're going to hold that point against me I'd like to remind you that neither 4reigner or p3undone have been pregnant either, or any of the other men that support your point of view. I'm guessing you'll be telling them to butt out the conversation, on account of none of them having ever been pregnant.


Now you're just projecting. You have no idea, and cannot promise me anything. You seem very sure of yourself.


You call me stupid but post things that simply are not true. You say yourself that you "aren't interested in research" or what the vast majority of studies show, preferring to rely on your own anecdotes. You bring up some rubbish parallels about people on guilty people on death row like that's somehow relevant, and then call me stupid for talking about life support machines in a bid to redress the emotionality and balance. You are so sure of yourself that you dismiss anyone else as "not knowing the truth" when you haven't been able to prove either way what the proof is either.

Yes I'm stupid, stupid me. Call me stupid again. Go on. You can call me a c*nt too if you like. It won't make you or I any less right or wrong on this issue, will it?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

The guilty vs. innocent capital punishment thing cannot be compared because we know for a fact that people, whether innocent or guilty are actually alive, and have a personhood and awareness.. you all need to think of a better comparison where we don't know if the person is alive or dead.

If we are going to take it for granted that every possible human is alive - because we cannot measure it where life ends or begins where does that put your stance on the life support machines?

Do we let people on these machines perpetually live forever in our hospitals because we don't know if they are really alive or dead, or because we cannot be certain they they won't eventually recover? Even if brain function signals are zero?

If it's a case of not being able to measure for certain where life/death begins I guess you would be willing to also criminalise all those doctors that regularly turn off all those life support machines of the people in hospitals. They might still be alive after all, and anything other than letting them live would be murder - as they don't have a say either.

Life / Why is circumcision not practiced in Poland? [701]


Actually I think you'll find you're talking out your butt-cheeks. For this reason:

Most girls aren't American girls (that might be a bit hard for you to understand, granted), circumcision isn't practised in most of the world.

Circumcision reminds most civilised Europeans of child genital mutilation and therefore most would find it unscceptable. Unless of course they are into barbaric religious rituals.

Talking of barbaric religious rituals.... What do you make of the female genital mutilation practised in sub-saharan parts of Africa? Why is it different to circumcision?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Are you serious? That's offensive, distasteful and completely untrue.

Prove it.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


There's a Chinese saying, that if you have a choice between saving your mother, child, or wife/husband you shoud always choose the mother. You can get another husband, you can have more children, but you will never get a new mother. It's quite close to the reason that you state above.

I told this to one of my Jewish friends and he said it sounded like a Jewish joke.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


You can put me down for point G as well.

As for when it becomes killing. I'm still undecided, but for me it's somewhere between the development of the central nervous system and before the start of higher brain function.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


So do I. It's late and I'm tired. I don't think anyone should have to go through abortion. I think there needs to be more care involved. I don't think that women are psychologically examined enough before undergoing abortion. I think it's incredibly difficult for everyone involved and the number one thing should be compassion and understanding. I'm sorry if I offended you.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I said no such thing. I said that there are markers, and that all women need to be properly psychologically vetted and counselled before they go through such a procedure. And it should be for a doctor to decide.


I've linked to scientific university papers, wikipedia, and documents which are directly linked to the findings of the world health organisation, and the countries own internal figures from various ministries and departments. How are they questionable. Would you prefer me to pull the figures out of my arse as you are doing? You've provided no figures, no studies, you've talked about your opinion and given anecdotes, you haven't quoted anyone but yourself.

Where life begins is a real philosophical question. It's hardly nonsense. The great philosophers have been discussing it since time began. We base our modern laws on philosophy and science. From my perspective, you guys seem to be avoiding all the difficult questions, or just don't want to broach them, or are just plain uncomfortable discussing them. There's no corners. I haven't done any back-pedalling, I haven't changed any goalposts. I haven't used emotive language. I haven't tried to force my view onto anyone. There's no corner here. It's not a F*king boxing ring.


I'm not patronising you because of your experience. It's just you seem to think that your experience is the be all and end all, and anything else is a "dodgy paper", even if it is linked to real, scientific, university and NGO studies. I'm not asking you to believe me. I'm asking you to look at the studies.

Goodnight.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

Anyway. I've said all I have to say on the matter. I'm off. You guys can all congratulate yourselves - or whatever it is you do now...

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


Because it's not about me. It's about the personal feelings of the individual. I've already said that like, a million times. And I hate people trying to force their morality on others as if morality is set in stone - it's not that I'm defending abortion per se, I'm defending freedom of choice - and freedom of belief - especially on grounds without evidence. I'm defending the freedom for a woman to feel however she damn well pleases about her pregnancy - no matter how distasteful others might find that feeling.. It's not for me to dictate, and it's not for you either.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

I didn't mean to patronise you, but it's quite easy to do a google search, and I've been working all day.

Everyone is shouting here. Including men. I don't think they've had abortions either. We've already discussed the mental health of women regarding the issue.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]

bit.ly/U5jhiv

Educate yourself my friend.

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


I don't think anyone has made that point.


That's not what I said either.


I have no idea. There is no scientific consensus on it.

What I do know, is that if a person is on life support, and their higher brain functions are non-existent (vegetative states), then the family are asked if they wish to continue the life support.


Would you be willing to tell families who turn off the life support machines of their vegetative relatives, that they are murders and that the person is still alive, and that they are KILLING them? Or would you let them make their own damned decision?

Higher brain function controls the following:
Frontal Lobes
Parietal Lobe
Occipital Lobe
Temporal Lobe

Must we assign personhood to something which cannot and never has been able to form or store memories, has no emotions, no spontaneity, no recognition, that doesn't respond to any kind of stimuli, has never been able to and cannot recognise faces, or objects, or make sense of its surroundings, see, hear, or interpret any kind of audio-visuality? That if on a life machine, some would class as dead.

I honestly can't. Perhaps you can - and you have every right to. I'm not trying to change your personal perspective. What I'm asking is why should your perspective be legislated? How would you like it if I tried to legislate mine on you? I don't think you'd like it.

Didn't Jesus once say do unto others........?

News / Abortion still under control in Poland [2986]


It's really not worth providing facts here. Especially not to university papers, or health organisations. Facts get in the way personal opinion, and this should be wholeheartedly ignored.