Real Estate / A plot in Lesznowola near Warsaw - Bargain or not? [15]


Nothing is ever too far fetched, if you have the power and motivation.

If I was in the market for building a house today in Warsaw, I would take into consideration that all the best plots in Warsaw have gone, you are left with lesser plots only. I would be more inclined to buy a plot with an existing house, then demolish and rebuild or refurb. Otherwise the safe option is to spend the next few months finding your ideal home and negotiate.

Polsyr, knowing Warsaw quite well LesznaWola would NOT be my ideal location, maybe PIP can enlighten you as she live quite close to that area a few years ago.

Travel / Decentish, cheapish restaurant somewhere near Warsaw? [8]


Ocywizna is quite new built over the las couple of years, it is just off the main road immediatly before Magdelenka. I have never eaten there it looks nice though, typical wooden Karczma.

Travel / BIG LESSON (I visited and was threatened in Poland) [71]

So how did the ' rub' work on you . Peter.

Travel / Decentish, cheapish restaurant somewhere near Warsaw? [8]


I have eaten at both of them, both good Karczma food, the litmus test for me is always the ' Zurek kielbasa ' both are good. Different settings of course. Klepisko is close by the marina at Zalew Zegrzyńsk. ZALEWAJKA is on Old Lasu in Konstancin, so its off to the forest afterwards to walk off the food. Enjoy.


If you go out to Konstancin, be sure to go to starapapiernia.pl/u-nas-znajdziesz 38. Jan Piekarz - piekarnia. The best bakery in Warsaw, the MAKOWIEC is the best I have tasted, a lot of people claim it is ' the jewish bakery ' not sure about that though.

Travel / Decentish, cheapish restaurant somewhere near Warsaw? [8]

Have a look at these two places,

gospodazalewajka.pL

GOSPODĄ ZALEWAJKA, UL. OD LASU 23 KONSTANCIN-JEZIORNA

klepisko.pl

Klepisko, karczma Zalew Zegrzyński (lake)

Real Estate / A plot in Lesznowola near Warsaw - Bargain or not? [15]


Polsyr, just food for thought - Wy would you want to go through the hassle of building, when you can buy something that is already built and just do improvements or an extension. This advice may save your relationship in the future...

Travel / BIG LESSON (I visited and was threatened in Poland) [71]


The only solution is to deal with honest people.

It is the difference between Asians ad Europeans, as an asian you go on a forum to call him out and put shame on him, as a low life he has already crawled to you for money and you have given it to him, so he is just going back for a second pop, these type of leeches will suck you dry, I have met many Americans, who have similar traits, tall stories - no substance, they are parasites and have no honor, you will find them all over the world, not just Poland.

Real Estate / A plot in Lesznowola near Warsaw - Bargain or not? [15]



What is the status of the land at 135 PLN m2, I believe it could be rolna NOT budwlana?

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]


We also require a period of continuous cold weather below -5 degrees to kill the virus's that sweep in from the East.

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]


I always believed the frost issue or " natures thinning ' was an issue once budding had begone, mind you the winter has been so mild up to now.


I much prefer snow on the ground from December to March, rain, sleet, slush NOT for me.

I would say that rain,sleet and slush are weather types that force depression. Snow gets the happy vibes moving.

Law / Opening a Polish Bank Account by a foreigner in Poland. Recommendations. [299]

Go to your current bank and ask them who the corresponding bank is in Poland and can they arrange an introduction for you.

UK, Ireland / English dad, Polish mum are parting. What about the child? [27]



Mum50, jonnyM has avery good point here, it is always a very stressful time during any breakup, the most important person is your grandchild and his/her happiness and development. You are a mother, therefore you can think this through from a mothers perspective. If the decision is for the mother and child to return to Poland, then you will have the issue of language development, I assume your son and yourself would like to communicate with your grand child in the future. There are many bi-lingual kindergartens, so maybe this cost could be your sons contribution, your grandchild will very quickly loose his/her english unless he/she is immersed in it.

If your sons ( ex partner) is not from a financially secure family, it will only be a matter of time before, she considers her life in England to be better, at least if she is allowed to go, she may realize it is better to return to the UK in the interests of the child. Remember she has already left Poland once for a better life.

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]


WP, they say, if you make four you will stay for more. A deciding factor will always be the children and education, most people I know in Poland prefer the kids graduate from a university outside of Poland. UK/USA.I would not want my children to be formed 100% through the Polish education system, most of the leading Poles in business were educated in part, outside of Poland.

There are many foreigners, who have already partially moved on from PL, their spouse may remain in PL with the kids, their workplace is Russia,Ukraine or Khazikstan.


Enjoy, a bit of shopping therapy too?

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


In theory, Pip is correct.

How can you call a bubble until it has popped, you may believe that Poland is going through a ' Economic bubble' this is not a property bubble as truly defined, you can say ' The USA went through a property bubble because it has popped. I would like to know, how much has the money supply increased by, in Poland since 2003 and are we in an illusionary period of wealth in Poland?

Any idea?

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]


"In the next 12 months the average price of an apartment will fall 4 percent," Bartosz Turek, an analyst at property agency Home Broker told the daily Puls Biznesu.

thenews.pl/1/12/Artykul/81760,Property-prices-seen-falling-5-10-percent-in-2011

Real Estate / Residential real estate values go down in Poland [455]

Undervalued Real estate markets:

ryankett.hubpages.com/hub/3-Seriously-Undervalued-Property-Real-Estate-Markets

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]


Agreed, there is also limited choice, the theater is good for what you get.


Maybe not paupers, certainly not to the same standard they have here though.


It is not a problem for standard procedures, if you need a specialist, most go overseas.


Yes a Polish solution for Poland, there are plenty of young Polish real estate professionals out there who are more than capable of changing the future. It is only a matter of time before the Polish " Young Turks" take over, this is not Russia.


Agreed.


There is still opportunity if you look hard, although there will be better opportunity in other European countries over the coming short -medium term

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]


When you retire, you choose a country that has a good infrastructure, especially hospitals and health service. Although Poland is cheap and real estate is still affordable to many, it still does not offer the quality of life you consider normal in many other countries.


I personally do not have a problem with Poland's greed mentality in every day business, I can sort the wheat from the chaff in daily life here.


I hear you.


I am not crying poor, I have decided it is time for change. Furthermore if someone has the foresight to plan ahead, this should be considered a quality and not frowned upon.


I invested into Poland,created jobs and paid taxes, now it is time to look at pastures greener.


A lot of the multi's invested in PL with one eye on the east, there will be some restructuring going on in 2012/2013.

USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]

Short visits to Scotland and Ireland, you will find parts of Canada there, a change is as good as a rest.

If you are not aware of it, this place is worthwhile visiting for fresh ideas idealhomeshow.co.uk If you are a business owner the entrance is free.

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]

One must always go with the gut feeling, I am starting to sense a real loss of direction for Poland as a whole. The country especially Warsaw was geared up to become the new financial hub for east/west trade and finance, with the current plans of the Russians I do not see this becoming a reality (opportunity lost). Now as Poland searches for its new identity in Europe I can only foresee a atmosphere of disagreement in Polish politics, as they try to identify their future path, nothing comes easy in Poland and personally I am not prepared to sit around for the next X years while the debate plays out. Poles are their own worst enemies and history has proven this to be fact, there are too many opportunities out there in the world, to get caught in the domestic crossfire here in PL.

Life / Who's Leaving Poland? [138]

Merged: Who's Leaving Poland? ( continued )

The original thread was started by ' FUZZYWICKETS ' back in June 2010. So here goes 2012 new year, I have now decided to start my exit plans from Poland, I no longer see the country in the same way I did years ago, Poland has been very good to me and I have very much enjoyed my time here, I will always have fond memories of our life in Poland. We will keep a place here just for visiting, it will probably take a period of two years for us to fully exit Poland as the children are still in schools and we are involved in various investments here. The main reasons for leaving Poland is there comes a time in life when you must lay down your long term plans for life, Poland was only about money and making it quickly, the country no longer offers the same opportunities as it did, therefore it is much more interesting, to be somewhere that offers more opportunity, either for the family or self development. The current financial crisis in Europe will present some very interesting opportunities in many countries in the EU, therefore it makes complete financial sense to exit Poland and look for value. If the EU does break up I would much prefer to be in the UK,Switzerland or Austria over Poland, even Spain would be better at least it is warm.

I would interested to know if there are many other people out there in PF land, now planning their exit from Poland and the reasons, why?

USA, Canada / Moved back from Canada to Poland:). Here are the reasons why. [868]


Poland will never be home to its foreign contingent, I am constantly reminded I am not Polish, there is so much complexity about the Poles and Poland even they continue to be perplexed by it, the communist/socialist past stills runs deep in the veins of most Poles over the age of 35, it is restraining Poland's future potential, a classic example of this is Poland's road reconstruction over the last four years.

The need to get away from Poland and recharge the batteries, is the main thing that has helped me survive here,Poland is a wonderful country and has some beautiful places to visit,putting aside the everyday problems created by its nationals, it has the possibility to be one of the jewels in the crown of Europe.

News / Will EURO 2012 be a proud moment for Poland and its people or set back Poland 20 years? [86]


Try the Ukraine, then you won't complain.


If there are tips involved Poles provide excellent service.


Better to pay for clean toilets,than enter a sh1tfest.


All countries have hooligans.


50% of the teams will be excluded in the first elimination.


I say you need to get out a lot more and see what is going on around you, it may not be as efficient and organized as Germany, then how many countries are?

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

Excellent point, its is the force that you will meet with, when Pols believe you are denying them their history or culture, they have lost so much over the centuries now they are unprepared to let go, we could use Radek Sikorski and his recent comments on Poland's inclusion within Northern Europe, this has been met with vehement criticism from all levels of society in Poland. In many countries it would have been considered a 'rallying call' or 'back to business comment'.

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]


I quite often visit the UK, therefore it is quite easy to stay in touch with the reality of what is ' moving on ' in my country of Birth. I can imagine it would be very difficult to stay in touch with reality, if you only used the internet,newspapers or others peoples point of view as your source of real information. With time all tradition and values become more modernized with the next generation, this is what is called progress. Some people are willing to accept it, others believe nothing will change unless they change it, then one day they must wake up...


Agreed, many of us have worked very hard to purchase our property here in Poland, with no leg up from family.


This may also be true, I have no source or statistics, people will find a solace or escape in many different ways.

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]

It also works both ways Pip, if foreigners choose to settle in Poland, until the point they have been given Polish passports they are guests of the country and should therefore act accordingly and respect the tradition and values of the host nation, as a good guest should. If I invited someone into my home I expect them to follow the rules of our home, if they are rude or made negative comments about our family traditions,beliefs or values, they would be asked to leave and NOT return.


I can see your angle on a culture-less McDonalds society, it reminds me of a true story about an English guy in Warsaw, every time he would pass the McDonalds with his two boys, he would shout out ' its the devils food ' this became a family joke,his boys are now 11 and 17 and do not eat Mc Donalds, the English guy is a agnostic, so it was not about religious beliefs.. In respect of economic uncertainty and increasing church attendence's. Recession turns peoples lives upside down. It helps them realize that they don't have a sufficiency unto themselves. Not having a job, not being able to pay the monthly bills, wondering where the grocery money will come from, these are all things that cause even those that are furthest from God to question their own self-sufficiency. They come to a point where they realize that they can't do it by themselves and seek a higher power.

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]


The above is a fair point, I am not going to suggest for a moment that all priests are good ones, there is enough factual stories to prove that some priests over the years have abused their positions, in 2012 who can you trust, can we trust politicians, bankers,doctors,lawyers,accountants, 20 years ago if you qualified in any of these professions, you would be considered a pillar of your community, a forthright person. It is even worse in the USA, you can actually get ordained online: themonastery.org/?destination=ordination

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]


I think a lot of people talk sh1t about what the church expects, I have also heard that it is a ' shame on you ' to give anything less than 20 PLN per family when visiting church on Sundays. As a family of four we give the small change we have in our pockets, normally between 5-10 PLN. We assist other families through the church, who have real needs, not because we feel morally bound to do it, more because we want to do it.

I have also been at dinner parties and having drinks with Polish people, when they start to joke about what the priest requested, I have never experienced that in Poland so I can't confirm or deny, although I think mostly it is just ' tall stories'.


We have had different experience's in Poland, your experience sounds more like being on the receiving end ' Hyacinth Bucket ' from keeping up appearances.

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]


I don't know what you are talking about here JonnyM, it is only the priest that visits your home, there is no gathering,someone in the building arranges the time for the neighbors and he visits everyone individually, it is a private blessing for the household only.

Life / K+M+B-2012 - formula on flats in Poland [63]


As I understand in Poland,you give what you can afford there is no set fee.