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DOBZYN, PLOCK ? Need more information


SoaringSoftly 2 | 15
14 Jul 2011 #1
Just learned that my great-grandfather was born in Dobzen, Plock. Can anyone enlighten me? I know that Plock is a city but I don't know about Dobzen. Any ideas about how to do further research? He was born on 3/29/1873. I am uncertain about his religion. He died in the United States as a Catholic but I think only because he married my great-grandmother who was a devout Catholic whose ancestors were from Poland but I don't know where in Poland and have been unable to find out.

Thanks! I love this forum.
Wroclaw 44 | 5,387
14 Jul 2011 #2
Dobzen, Plock

u are missing an 'R' Dobrzen

have a look at this. what u want is probably on the list, but with a different spelling.

traveljournals.net/explore/poland/locations/d/29.html
teresa55 - | 46
15 Jul 2011 #3
Look at : archiwum.plock.com/index_g.php
OP SoaringSoftly 2 | 15
28 Oct 2011 #4
Not finding the name here but so much of the site is in Polish which I can't translate.
boletus 30 | 1,366
28 Oct 2011 #5
I know that Plock is a city but I don't know about Dobzen.

This is most probably a town "Dobrzyń nad Wisłą" (Dobrzyn on the Vistula), 32 km downstream from Płock. The Polish wikipedia has some info here: pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrzyń_nad_Wisłą, the English one has only some scarce information here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dobrzyń_nad_Wisłą

[I was about to recommend to you the Polish official site of the town of Dobrzyń nad Wisłą, dobrzyn.pl, and suggest google translation of some of its selected pages, but for some reason the site crashed twice my WI-FI connection. So be warned.]

There are altogether eight Dobrzyń places in Poland, but the only realistic alternative for your search is Golub-Dobrzyń (actually two twin towns on both sides of Drwęca river) since it is not that far from Płock (85 km due North) and it used to be part of Russian Płock Province during Partitions.
OP SoaringSoftly 2 | 15
2 Nov 2011 #6
Thank you so much for the information! So Dobrzyn nad Wisla is probably not the one he was born in even though it is only 32 km from Plock? The one you think is the most realistic is probably the one as my grandfather stated on many documents that he was born in "Russia" and you state that Golub-Dobrzyn used to be part of the Russian Plock Province about that time. How does Pomerania figure in? My great-grandmother stated on her emigration docs that the last place the family lived was "Pomerania". That would have been in 1885.

How do I do further research on any Catholic church records from Golub-Dobrzyn? I'm not finding anything on familysearch.org nor ancestry.com for this family.

Thank you so much!
Yeah, my computer crashed on the site you mentioned too!
boletus 30 | 1,366
2 Nov 2011 #7
I am sorry, there was some miscommunication here: I really meant that both towns/settlements are equally good candidates for your search - as opposed to other places from distant parts of Poland. Both are relatively close to Płock, both used to be part of Russian Province of Płock. I really have to add one thing with respect to Golub-Dobrzyń: Golub used to be in Prussian Partition, while Dobrzyń was in Russian one. Drwęca was a border river at those times. This may have something to do with your grandmother's reference to Pomerania. And historically, dating back, both towns were subjects to frequent border wars between Poland and Teutonic Knights.

I am not involved in any genealogy project, so I have no family search experience and I cannot provide you with any standard feedback regarding availability of records. All I can suggest is based on some common sense. To start with, you may try to dig some information about the perceived size of your grandfather's "Dobrzyń". Dobrzyń and Wisłą - even though historically old - is actually very small: it currently has 2,246 inhabitants. The "Dobrzyń" part of Golub-Dobrzyń, on the other hand, has 10,071 inhabitants. Apparently this "Dobrzyń" is few times bigger than the other one. I can only assume that the similar ratio existed in 19 century.

The next thing to check concerns religion. You seemed to be implying that your great-grandfather became Catholic just of the great devotion to his wife. So what religion was he born into? This might be an important piece of information. For example, Golub-Dorzyń is accessible via JewishGen Locality database, suggesting that there were Jews living in that area. Check for example this: data.jewishgen.org/wconnect/wc.dll?jg~jgsys~community~-502272, or this: jewishgen.org/jri-pl/town/golub-dobrzyn.htm.

I should also add that - as suggested by other posters here - the name "Dobrzeń" could also be considered as one of the candidates. My cursory search shows that there are two such places, but they are located in Silesia and Opole Voivodship - South-West, way away from Płock.

Good luck.

Dobrzyń and Wisłą

My overzealous, self-correcting editors drive me crazy sometimes: this should obviously be "Dobrzyń NAD Wisłą", not "Dobrzyń AND Wisłą". I am sure I typed "NAD".
Wedle 16 | 496
2 Nov 2011 #8
Dobrzyń nad Wisłą had a very large jewish population before WW2. It was a wealthy trading port on the Wisla in times gone by.You can still find the ruins of a castle built by the Teutonic Knights

Here is a link [castles-of-poland.com/?idzamku=dobrzyn]

Here is another link for you to look at jpreisler.com/MyWebsites.html
catorssell
6 Dec 2014 #9
I am researching my great-grandmother's family in Poland. There are 2 names: Jagielski (Jagelski) and Jankiewicz. Three different ships manifests before 1900 for 3 siblings list Dobrzyn as their residence. I don't know if it's Dobrzyn nad Wisla or Golub-Dobrzyn. Two family stories might help determine which location. My great-grandmother said she embroidered or monogrammed clothing for royalty. So would there be a castle nearby? My great-great uncle was said to have run off with money his uncle gave to him to go to a port to pick up merchandise. Instead he went to England before coming to America. I need to find out which Dobrzyn before I go to Poland. I need to know what happened to the parents Maryan and Rozalia (Jankiewicz) Jagielski. Where would I write for information?
Polonius3 1,000 | 12,448
6 Dec 2014 #10
JAGIELSKI: root-word jagły (millet cereal); most likely this originated as a toponymic nckc to identify an inhabitant of such villages as Jagiele, Jagielno, Jagiełła or similar (Milletville, Milletburg) - 1 noble line

JANKIEWICZ: patronymic meaning "son of Janek" - 1 noble line.

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jwdupon - | 4
21 Feb 2015 #11
I am currently indexing the Catholic birth records in the parish of Ligowo, which is about 40 km North of Pl~ock. In this database, I found the marriage for Maryan Jagielski, son of Ksawer Jagielski and Katarzyna Gruszczynska, born in Jarczewo, age 19 and Rozalia Jankiewicz, daughter of Walenty Jankiewicz and Rozalia Malinowska, age 21, born in Kurkocin on 26 Nov 1862 in Osiek, Ligowo parish.

Children born to Maryan and Rozalia:
1. Jan, b. 4 Feb 1864, Osiek (married Franciszka Skurzynska on 29 Apr 1883 in Gojsk)
2. Maryanna. b. 12 Mar 1866, Osiek, (she married Jan Wierzbicki on 29 Jan 1883 in Osiek)
3. Feliks, b. 31 Aug 1868, Osiek
and
Bronislawa, b. 15 Feb 1878
I'm still working on this project and will post any additional children in the next few weeks.
aprilvince - | 1
2 Nov 2019 #12
Merged:

is Bialasy a town within Plock?



Is Bialasy a town within Plock?
johnny reb 18 | 3,675
2 Nov 2019 #13
To the best of my knowledge, No - Bialasy is north of Plock district.
I haven't been there though in years so my memory of it has faded.
Białasy is a village in the administrative district of Gmina Szczutowo, within Sierpc County, Masovian Voivodeship, in east central Poland.
kaprys 2 | 1,880
2 Nov 2019 #14
@aprilvince
It used to be in Płock Voivodeship.


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