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Des Essientes   
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

firstly she is not black she is mulatto ( mixed race),

What century are you posting from, warszawski?

She, like all of the trash to come out of hollywood, loves attention.

She is from Barbados not Hollywood.
Des Essientes   
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

What century are you posting from, warszawski?

I most certainly can be honest about my opinions as to how famous musicians react to certain situations

hahahaha harry! What a silly claim to make! You can be honest about your opinions! Indeed you can, but you cannot, as I said, be honest about how Rhianna really feels because you do not know her, and creating a class of "famous musicians" that are somehow all alike such that your contact with "more than a few of them" makes you an authority on their feelings is just a silly fantasist joke!
Des Essientes   
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

Maybe in your part of the world mullato/mixed race is offensive, not in my mine part of the world.

The term "mixed race" is not offensive in my part of the world. Don't pretend that "mulatto" and "mixed race" have the same connotations in English now. They do not. The term "mulatto" is one of a series of racialist terms, of Portugese and Spanish origin, used in the times of slavery and segregation. "Mulatto" specified someone at least half black. "Quadroon" was reserved for people who were one quarter black and "Octoroon"for those who were one eighth black. Just as the term "negro" has been supplanted by the term "black" the term "mulatto" has been supplanted by the term "mixed-race" or "half-black". So too realize that if "black" only applies to people of purely African ancestry then few of the black people in the Americas would be "black" anymore. Caucasian and Amer-Indian ancestry is very widespread amongst black people in the Americas. Warszawski, if "your part of the world" doesn't understand that using the term "mulatto" is considered as boorish as using the term "negro" then so much the worse for your part of the world, but I somehow doubt that you're being accurate when characterizing your abode.

Just like walking the streets with a beer in Poland is acceptable, in the UK is not

Wow let's talk about an inept analogy! Using racialist terminology from the 19th Century is not at all akin to strolling the boulevard with an open container of suds, regardless of the country in which one saunters.
Des Essientes   
9 Jul 2013
Travel / Rihanna complains about lack of privacy on Polish beach [150]

I take it you haven't been to Saudi Arabia. Or the part of Palestine where Hamas is in charge.

Harry don't be so stupid. Alcohol is outlawed in some places in the world, but it never reminds people of the racial classification system that existed when people of African descent were treated as chattel. Thus warszawski's analogy is inept. Your bringing up the Saudis, and the Islamic Resistance to the Israeli occupation of Palestine, is yet another example of your creepy Arabophobic obsession. Get a life and stop making so many stupid posts on this forum, Harry.
Des Essientes   
16 Sep 2013
History / Poles and Russians -- love-hate relationship? [209]

something Slavic for DE and those who like Slavs here

Thank you for the poem Natasa.
Alas Slavophilia is in short supply here. People are free to calls Slavs racist but if anyone dares to say the same about a Western-European poster then they are threatened with suspension. The double standards of Orientalism are sadly present here.
Des Essientes   
20 Oct 2013
USA, Canada / Why do Americans (and Canadians) hate Polish people? [226]

Americans and Canadians don't hate Poles...

This is a cogent observation. The people that tease Polonians in this way are almost invariably stupid themselves. Upon learning that their interlocutor is of Polish descent, it isn't hatred that drives most of them to say something asinine, it is a sense of relief on their parts and a feeling of solidarity. Think of the scene in the film "Freaks" when the carnival workers chant "One of us!"

the best thing to do is ignore discrimination.

In the latter case one proverbial Polonian option is to wear brown shoes, so you won't have noticeable stains upon them after kicking an offender's ass.
Des Essientes   
31 Oct 2013
Life / Halloween vs All Saints' Day in Poland [48]

Halloween is only superficially about shallow consumerism. The deeper meaning of the holiday is about acknowledging the reality of death. Children face their fears on Halloween, engage in adventurous pranks and gorge themselves on the candies that they so enjoy, but Halloween is even more fun for their elders. Adults indulge their passions for creativity, and satire, in the clever costuming that they devise for themselves, and at the house parties and nightclubs they attend a delicious atmosphere humor, and eroticism prevails. Halloween is a celebration of joy and sex in the face of death and it is grand!
Des Essientes   
26 Nov 2013
History / Differences between Poland and Russia [43]

EuropeInterestingly though, except when talking about WW2, Poland is never mentioned in history classes in the west as far as I know.

The partitions of Poland are mentioned in high school history classes in the United States and the textbooks used often include a famous political cartoon, of the time, depicting three fat and ugly caricatures of the partitioning powers.
Des Essientes   
26 Nov 2013
History / Differences between Poland and Russia [43]

Where did you go to school?

I went to public high school in Southern California and the partitions of Poland were included in the history curriculum.

I know for a fact that there are highschools in CA, OR and WA which do not teach the partitions in their history classes/ curriculum.

Are you really sure that you know this for a "fact"?

Chicago by any chance?

Polish-Americans live throughout the United States. It isn't just in places wherein they are highly concentrated that Poland is mentioned in history courses. It isn't always lobbying by an ethnic group that gets its ancestral homeland's history included in curricula, and it most certainly isn't the case with respect to Polish history. The partitions of Poland are included in history courses in the USA because they are such blatant cases of the greed and immorality of autocracies. The republic of the United States uses the actions of Prussia, Austro-Hungary, and Russia as negative examples when educating her citizenry.
Des Essientes   
26 Jan 2014
News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

They call Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians "people of the book."

Zoroastrians are not called "people of the book" by Muslims. The book being referred to in that appellation is the Bible and not the Zend-Avesta.
Des Essientes   
27 Jan 2014
News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Claiming that there is a Judeo-Christian "tradition" is very misleading. The tenets of Judaism and Christianity are incompatible. Judaism rejects the central tenet of Christianity. The Christian belief, that God became manifest as a man on earth, is heresy for Jews. Judaism insists on an absolutely pneumatic God. This Jewish rejection of the divinity of Christ is heresy for Christians, and Christianity for the vast majority of its existence has considered the Jews guilty of the crime of Deicide. What kind of "tradition" is that? It isn't one by any stretch of the imagination.

Claiming that the "Judeo-Christian tradition" is a "fact" is as absurd as claiming that there is something called the "Hindu-Buddhist tradition" which is a "fact". Newer religions that radically break with the traditional beliefs of older religions cannot rightly be claimed to be continuations of these traditions. Claiming that the pneumatic God was made flesh, or denying the authority of the Vedas, are such radical breaks.
Des Essientes   
27 Jan 2014
News / Don't let Poland become like my country, France. [630]

Christ himself was a Jew.

Christ is a name from the Greek language. There may well have been a real person named Jesus who considered himself a Jew, but the Christ of Christianity is God made flesh, and that is anathema to Judaism. If Jesus believed what Christians believe about him then he was not a Jew.

Christianity is 'Judaic' in the same sense that Mormonism is 'Christian'.

Mormonism accepts almost all of the tenets of Christianity (save for the Virgin Birth) and just adds another narrative about Christ visiting the New World. Judaism rejects Christianity's central tenet. Christianity is not Judaic in the same sense as Mormonism is Christian.
Des Essientes   
30 Jan 2014
Genealogy / Do I look Polish? (my picture) [375]

One option might be to go to Ellis Island and enquire there, as that's where most were processed and admitted.

Going to Ellis Island would probably be pointless because her OP states that her family is from Baltimore:

city of origin in the US (Baltimore)

A lot of the Polish immigrants coming to the USA, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, had the port city of Baltimore, and not Ellis Island, as their landing point. All of my paternal great-grandparents arrived in the USA via Baltimore. Much of this Polish immigration through Baltimore was "illegal" and so there is no government record of the processing and admission of these immigrants.
Des Essientes   
28 Dec 2014
Life / Anyone like the Polish artist Zdzislaw Beksinski? [5]

I like Becksinski, inasmuch as anyone can like supremely eerie depictions of a dessicated dead world. Are his paintings visual metaphors for a morally decrepit society, or has he actually painted the aftermath of the coming nuclear apocalypse, or both?

Such contemplation may leave one in need of a laugh. Here are images, contributed to a Chicago based satirical website, that utilize some of Beksinski's most famous compositions to parody a strange Polish advertisement:

somethingawful.com/photoshop-phriday/invest-eastern-poland/2/



Des Essientes   
29 Dec 2014
History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]

The Poles came from the same places as others. People kept moving onto other places where there was more food, more to hunt and gather, and less crowding.

If the Polish Slavs are the autochthonic population of Poland then they did indeed arrive as hunter-gatherers many thousands of years ago, but if Slavs had been in Central Europe all along then why are they not mentioned in any written sources until 550 AD? The more widely accepted theory is that Slavs migrated into the area not as hunter-gatherers but as horticulturalists and herders during the Fifth Century.
Des Essientes   
30 Dec 2014
History / Origins of Polish Slavs [138]

Here is Jordanes' text in English translation:

Within these rivers lies Dacia, encircled by the lofty Alps as by a crown. Near their left ridge, which inclines toward the north, and beginning at the source of the Vistula, the populous race of the Venethi dwell, occupying a great expanse of land. Though their names now vary amid various clans and places, yet they are chiefly called Sclaweni and Antes.
The abode of the Sclaweni extends from the city of Noviodunum {New Town, modern Isaktscha, Romania} and the lake called Mursianus to the Dniestr, and northward as far as the Vistula. They have swamps and forests for their cities.
The Antes, who are the bravest of these peoples dwelling around the bend of the Black Sea, spread from the Dniestr to the Dniepr, rivers that are many days journey apart.

harbornet.com/folks/theedrich/Goths/Goths1.htm

Yet, ancient chroniclers name people living in Central and Eastern Europe befor 550 AD

Very true, Herodotus writing in the Fifth Century BC mentions several peoples in the area (including a race of seasonal werewolves) and Tacitus wrote of the Venedi at the end of the First Century, but the text above from 550 AD is the oldest one to use the name Sclaweni.

Such an argument is irrelevant. According to many specialists, those names are of Indoeuropean origin.

The names of Polish rivers meaning nothing in Slavic languages is not irrelevant, even if they are of Indo-European origin. Names from different branches of the Indo-European language family would be consistent with the widely accepted theory that posits Indo-Europeans migrating in waves, with the Slavs being the last wave.

If they are so old, we may say they may have been formed in a language which is now called the Proto-indoeuropean language.

One may say this, but although Poland has been proposed as the Proto-Indo-European Urheimat, the most popular candidate for this place is the Pontic-Caspian steppe. Others argue forcefully for Anatolia.
Des Essientes   
4 Jan 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

like 90% of EE are slavic and for common folk in western Europe EE are Slavic

The combined population of Rumania, Hungary, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia is around 36 million. There are estimates that place the total number of Slavs in the world at 350 million people, but that includes Southern-European Slavs and Russians East of the Urals. I wonder what percentage of "Eastern-Europe" is Slavic if one includes the Wends, Czechs, Slovaks and Poles as Eastern-Europeans.

So I guess it boils down to the "economical difference" nowadays.
Europe A (the West) and Europe B (the rest) lol

.if poles were as rich as germans,we would be considered western europeans.

Poland's wealth relative to countries farther West is not the reason many consider Poland part of an "Eastern-Europe". It is the fact that Poles are Slavs and they speak a Satem tongue which speakers of Romance and Germanic languages find exotic.

You really shouldn't have a chip on your shoulders about this. "Eastern-European" is not a derogatory term.
Des Essientes   
5 Jan 2015
History / POLAND: EASTERN or CENTRAL European country? [1080]

I was taught in primary school that Poland is in Central Europe and I will stick to that till the day I die

Please understand that "Central Europe" is not a term that is used much in the USA. In accordance with simple binary thinking, Americans divide Europe into East and West. In the USA itself the "Mid-West" is on the Eastern side of the center of the country and "Central-America" is an isthmus far to the South. You really shouldn't believe that Americans are somehow stereotyping Poles as barbaric or impoverished when they call Poland Eastern-European. I understand the inveterate Polish desire not to be lumped in with autocracies like Russia and Belorussia, but you shouldn't assume that Americans see "Eastern" European culture as a monolith even if they are using one term to refer to it geographically. They haven't been educated to discern a distinctly "Central" part of Europe as you have.
Des Essientes   
11 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

Are you sure about that? I've been living in Warsaw since 1997 and I have never seen a homestead here. There's a Viking village in Zoliborz and I think there used to be a Native American themed thing in the Wilanow area, but I've never heard of a homestead. Are you sure you aren't confusing Warsaw Poland with another Warsaw somewhere?

An new poster with family living in Poland chooses to refer to their abode as a "homestead" and this it the obnoxiousness she is subjected to. That really is too bad.

my great grandmother's maiden name was FlorjaƄczyk, her whole family was from Poland.

You are 1/8th Polish.

you're wrong, saying that you shouldn't have pride of where you or your ancestors originated.

You are right.

what makes people think that ethnic Poles 500 or 1000 years ago are even comparable to the ones alive today? They have nothing in common

Ethnic Poles today are descended from ethnic Poles of previous generations. They have their genetics in common and anyone who has ever witnessed family resemblances knows that this is not nothing. What makes you want to believe that large branches the human family tree cannot be described in terms of ethnicity? You are aware that we all ultimately trace our roots back to Africa:

I hope you're a proud African lady then... :)

I hope she is too and I also hope that she is proud of her Polish heritage. Her great-grandmother was Polish and her exponentially great-grandmother was African. There is nothing wrong with being proud of one's family.

The members of the Polish diaspora that come to this forum are often quite surprised to be met by this weird gauntlet of people telling them Polish descent is a myth. It isn't.
Des Essientes   
11 Feb 2015
Genealogy / How Polish am I? What is the correct formula? [58]

the term 'ethnicity' becomes meaningless the further you go back in time or the longer someone's descendant is separated from the original group.

Ethnicities are branches of the human family tree and everyone's descent goes back to a time before current ethnicities existed, but that doesn't makes the term "Polish" meaningless for a person coming on to this forum with a Polish great-grandmother.

Ethnicity in the genetic sense and in most cases also in the cultural sense is lost over the centuries for various reasons. One being that people tend to mix.

Ethnicity in the genetic sense is never "lost" as long as the bearers of the genes continue to reproduce. Mixing doesn't negate ethnicities just as marriage doesn't negate families. I fear you are trying to understand ethnicity with some sort of creepy fixation on "purity". Are you of German descent? Maybe it is in your blood......

you are not a Polish American, but an African American. That's what I meant: where do you draw the line?

Why do you think that one cannot be both a Polish-American as well as an African-American? Why must a line be drawn? If lines are necessary then of course they are drawn nearer one's immediate descent just as is done with terms like "immediate family" and "distant cousin".

In the vast majority of cases, it's either Americans or Canadians who come up with this idea of an invisible bloodline/ cultural tie to the old countries (not only Poland) that they, their parents, grandparents, great grandparents (...) have never seen in their life.

Bloodlines are not "invisible" nor are cultural ties. People of Polish descent have ancestors that participated in the Polish experience and thus being interested in Polish history and culture is a completely reasonable thing for people of Polish descent.

. I know that people here in the US tend to define themselves through heritage, but for me personally that's a strange idea

People in the USA define themselves in myriad ways. For most of them their ethnicity is just one aspect of who they are. Pretending that one's ethnicity, such as "Polish-American", is somehow the be all and end all of one's self-identity is a severe misunderstanding of the role played by ethnicity in America and elsewhere.

You misunderstood

You set up false dichotomies, build straw men, and goosestep.
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

And of course, last but by no means least, the government commission to investigate of possibilities of deporting Polish Jews to Madagascar, the 'Madagascar plan', which the Nazis took up and then turned into the Lublin und Nisko plan before turning to the Final Solution.
That enough for you?

It is enough to say that using the slippery-slope fallacy to blood libel Poles is a particularly disgusting example of Holocaust fetishism.
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Harry, when you use a slippery-slope fallacy to blame Poles for the Holocaust it is blood libel. You brought it up and you should be ashamed of yourself. You have done this in the service of your fetish, the Holocaust. Holocaust fetishism exists and your disgusting post is a clear example of it.
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Harry, I have already quoted the post in which you stupidly use a slippery slope fallacy to implicate Poles in the creation of the "Final Solution". The reader can see this above. Acting like a petulant baby about it won't get you out of the disgusting hole you have dug for yourself. Lie in the mud.
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Here, again, is the post in which Harry implicates Poles in the creation of the Final Solution:

And of course, last but by no means least, the government commission to investigate of possibilities of deporting Polish Jews to Madagascar, the 'Madagascar plan', which the Nazis took up and then turned into the Lublin und Nisko plan before turning to the Final Solution.
That enough for you?

What do you think reader? Am I right? If not, then why does Harry mention the "Madagascar plan" in conjunction with the "final Solution" and why would a plan that was merely investigated, and not implemented, be "by no means the least" part of a terrible past for the Jews in Poland?
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Harry now claims he mentioned the Madagascar Plan in conjunction with the Final Solution in order to contrast their vast difference! What an asinine attempt to backpedal! Harry, are you taking lessons from Netanyahu?
Des Essientes   
9 Apr 2015
History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

How many "guts" does it take to be a German, whose government perpetrated the worst genocide in the history of mankind, to lecture Poles on not being culpable enough?