History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [177]


Sorry, you're wrong this time. Here you have[/url]:
Bezpośrednie pochodzenie nazwy należy wiązać z Mazowszem, jako, że w dawnej polszczyźnie Mazur to mieszkaniec Mazowsza, czyli dzisiaj powiedzielibyśmy - Mazowszanin (nazewnictwo to było jeszcze w końcu XIXw., czego liczne ślady znajdujemy w powieści Chłopi Reymonta).

Mazurs of course gave former Prussia the name of Mazury due to massive colonization waves from XIV, XV and XVII centuries.
Mazurówka was (and in some places still unchanged) one of the most popular placename in Ukraine. First massive colonization in XVI-XVII centuries were made by peasants. poor noblemen and forest workers from Masovia.

pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazury#Etymologia_nazwy

History / Poland is great Mother of all Slavs from Baltic to Balkan [177]

Thank you, Crow. There was some period when it was true, indeed, in XVI-XVII century.

However I'm sorry to say that there are more Croats (38 men) than Serbs (1) in Poland now. I hope it's not anybody's fault.

However you can call Poland as a cradle of Slavs, because we have also:

164 Slovakians
14465 Czechs
37 Bosnians,
8467 Ruthenians[ and 4 Ukrainians
15 Belorussians,
6210 Russians,
4 Lusitanians (Sorabians),

But of course they all are outperformed by:

21534 Poles,
8407 Kashubians,
1796 Silesians,
25 Greater-Poles,

But Masovians rule with 66866 competitors.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]

There are 147 men and 165 women having last name Pudelski/Pudelska.
Here you have distribution where they are today:
It's difficult to decide from where they were.

Polonia / Polonia in Brazil? [14]

Hi, Zgrabne_Kopyto, sexy nick. If nobody of your target finds your post. Try, please, with:

dar-polska.org/polonia.htm
polonesesnobrasil.com.br

...and maybe invite them here.

Good luck

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4501]


It could be £aniewski [waa-nyef-skee]. There is 370 men and 429 women with this last name in Poland now: moikrewni.pl/mapa/kompletny/łaniewski.html.

The name could be a toponymic one from village name £aniewo, £anowo, £ania.
The village name could be from either łan or łania:
£an - measure of area used in agriculture until XIX century, equaled 18-24 ha
£ania - a hind

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


To make all Poles fled, of course. To have new 'clean' Ukraine, maybe a little devastated, but clean from 'alien' elements: Poles, Jews, Czechs, Armenian. It was inspired by Nazi ideology. It's indeed aggravating German guilt, but in no case mitigating responsibility of Ukrainian individuals steering nationalist organizations.

Germans wanted to exploit Polish-Ukrainian conflict to eliminate risk of effective resistance from local population by making all cooperation between Polish & Ukrainian underground organizations impossible.

If only Germans wanted to stop the massacre they could do something in this direction. But Ukrainians went to far in ethnic cleansing what jeopardized the balance. Germans tried some efforts to limit Ukrainian actions but it was too late - they started to lose the war and haven't enough soldiers.

And the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia unfortunately succeeded.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


No, they weren't worse than Nazi. They were just inspired. All started with Nazis and Soviets. Demoralization they spread was total. And many of these awful acts were stimulated and some also supervised by these totalitarian regimes.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I know Ukrainian, Seanus. My family is from Eastern Galicia and fled out from there because their life was in danger. So honestly speaking it's difficult to be patient. But I try. I suppose I'm reasonably enough to divide emotions from facts. I know history of the Borderland quite a little, maybe starting from Polish point of view, but I'm able to switch and evaluate it from Ukrainian side.

I can feel Ukrainian point of view about discrimination of Ukrainians in prewar Poland. Statistics (Polish) support many of their claims.

All my calm weakens when I heard that Klaczkiwśkij is a real hero for Ukrainian youth, while he was responsible for the UPA actions in Volhnynia.

All my calm weakens even more, when I see a writing sprayed on 12.05.2009 on the memorial plate to memorize Polish professors of Lwów Technical University killed by Germans. The writing is "Smert' Laham" ie. "Death to Poles". It was exactly the same war cry used by UPA formations during the ethnic cleansing in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia.

You can see on the lower part of the plate: Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński - the greatest Polish translator of French literature, and on the very bottom Kazimierz Bartel - 5 times Prime Minister of Polish Republic.

I'd prefer a discussion but it needs two parts.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


No. He's only showing how the Western powers don't care about how some facts in history look from Polish and EE perspective. However it's not a whining. It's a fact. Not even so sad, rather making discussion more difficult.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


Sorry, Seanus. You're right have a fun ;-)

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


It's quite simple. Our Past tense is originally a Past compound one formed of past participle and infinitive to be.

In Old Polish:
woman had to say: Ja poszъdła jeśmъ > Ja poszdła jeśm > Ja poszła jeśm > Ja poszłam

man: Ja poszъdłъ jeśmъ > Ja poszedł jeśm > Ja poszedłem
E in poszedła perished because it was in weak position (according to rule of the vocalization of even yers).
Next jeśm was just simplified and agglutinated to past participle. This rule works with other verbs also.

By the way there were also aoryst and imperfect but they died out in XIV centure. For Chist sake and good for foreigners. For example poszedłem was in aoryst: pojdziech

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


Spoils at German expense I wouldn't.
But I would deny spoils at the expense of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Romania, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.
If I my co-patriots had some tanks and artilleries they would deny more effectively.
Britons and Americans had all these weaponry and a nuke - and granted these 'spoils' for free. And it cost them much in effect during the cold war period. But it cost EE hundred times more.

Life / What is it with the Polish love of antibiotics? And Why do Poles get ill more? [40]


What the hell you mean Progressive Muscular Atrophy or Premarket Approval?

Language / Polish was chosen the HARDEST LANGUAGE in the world to learn... :D [1558]


Why do they say nonsenses like that. Everybody knows, even child, that negation needs Genitive instead of Accusative. It's so natural!

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


Where? I told you don't read carefully. It doesn't mean you are stupid, does it? In fact you look from your posts quite the opposite. Happy? ;-)


And I've read that we the people all have the same Forefather and Foremother: Adaś and Ewka.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


That's a point of view presented in their deceitful propaganda. We're not bound to see the same.
Yes, Soviets did have to fight. You haven't read about it? Not all Polish units fought because its commanders were deceived by Soviet propaganda and incoherent commands from the Chief Staff. However many did fight for example in: Border battle with KOP units, Battle of Szack, Kock, Defence of Grodno. It was big war operation, Soviet crossed Polish frontiers with 500 thousands soldiers.

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


No, it didn't. What I'm talking about is prehistory, which you like so much. Prehistory isn't history. And nobody is sure how to interpret what happened.

Believe me, you don't read carefully. I DO deeply respect whole Polish history. But I'm ONLY interested - without emotional twist - of all these tribes wandering to and fro. What the hell you may know for sure about Germanic tribes and I about Slavonic, before they let Roman or Greek describe them.

And what were the genes of these smart guys.
By the way which tribe do you prefer to consider as you ancestors?

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


So you're a Briton though ;-)
Yes they did, of course but after 8.05.1945 not as much as Americans.

And as you've mentioned Soviets.
They started war together with Nazis. You've forgotten?
I have respect for brave soldiers, but look they were from the evil empire. And in 1945 they weren't fighting for Soviet independence (ironic attribute for all these nations in Soviet captivity) but for new dependencies.


Illusive. Comparing to former power.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

It was wrong deed to act against your Polish allies who fought long, hard and bravely to save their independence.

Britain lost 2 times: in WW1 and WW2. Each time they tried to win the war, they needed help from younger cousins across the Big Pond. And each time they power diminished while American augmented.

If you're an American, I understand your line about Japan. Americans fought really bravely. Respect. Anyway, my comment was about Britons and their peace from Soviets, not about Americans and Japans.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]

Come on, Jonni. UK bought a peace and some semblance of Imperial reconstruction. However wrong deeds give bitter fruits. And Britons lost his Empire.

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


So it was sold cheaply, wasn't it?

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

Your citation patchwork became unreadable.
Klaczkiwśkij vel Kłym Sawur. The one source you probably mean were testimonials of Jurij Stelmaszczuk, one of his subordinates, chief of Turiw Group of UPA.

But it isn't only one source. Klaczkiwśkij was a chief of military organization in Volhynia and this organization made genocide. So who's responsible? Martians?

During the the 3rd OUN Congress in Zołota Swoboda on 21-25.08.1943
Mykoła £ebed and Mychajło Stepaniak criticized UPA tactics in Volhynia describing anti-Polish attacks as bandit actions. However a group of OUN activists defended Kłym Sawur demanding to repeat such tactics in Galicia. Most active defenders of Klaczkiwśkij were: "Horbenko", "Hałyna", "Iwaniw" oraz Szuchewycz (according to Stepaniak).

Don't append yourself to the list of defenders of killer.

Life / What is it with the Polish love of antibiotics? And Why do Poles get ill more? [40]


Somebody can call it a fashion. But I was instructed in this subject by one of doctors. It's just quicker. They want to save some time, because they allot only few minutes to diagnose a patient.

But you're right, old Poles (age of 60+) like to go to a doctor. Newer generations has no time to do it. However it is always a matter of personal attitude. In my family we do not use antibiotics for colds and flues and trying to be healthy with some success.

I was struck how different are Britons' and Poles' behaviours in dressing. Britons just toughen their children up from small, Poles are always well-packed as onion with all these shirts, sweaters, caps and scarfs.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


OK, You're right. I was wrong, even while kidding. You are definitely impolite.
And as far as modesty concerned, maybe you are modest in your real life. But something makes you show up here on PF and expose how brave you're in fighting with Polish (or maybe also French, German) infirmities.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

So let's analyze this war criminals parade (haven't you know any more appropriate to be you hero):

Roman Szuchewycz - vice-chief of Nachtigall Batallion, and next Schutzmanschaft Batallions merited in beating Jews, burning down synagogues and terrorizing Belorussian and Polish villagers, he accepted and defended methods of Kliaczkiwśkij when he was attacked by some more civilized members of OUN central authorities. And as a chief of UPA gave an order to expel or liquidate Poles from 'our [Ukrainian] lands'.

Dmytro Kliaczkiwśkij 'Kłym Sawur' - the worst from your list; the exact genocide maker - chief of the UPA-North group, responsible for the great carnage of Polish villagers or Volhynia in 1943-44; his subordinates and incited Ukrainian peasants killed 50-60 thousand Polish neighbors and in effect made fled the rest cleaning this area totally from Polish 'element'. From 1150 villages and colonies with 31.000 Polish farms Ukrainians under UPA totally destroyed 1048 settlements with 26 167 farms. From 252 churches and chapels 103 were burned down. They even wanted to wipe down any sign of Polish presence there. Let's cite an UPA order from February 1944: "7a. destroy all walls of churches and another Polish cult sites, b. cut down all trees near the [burned down earlier] buildings, so there will be no sign there were living somebody..."

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


And Polish fighters were right, Nathan. The only mistake is the name of the military unit.
It was so called 'Volhynian Legion' or 'Ukrainian Self-defense Legion' known officially in German sources as '31. Schutzmannschafts-Bataillon der SD'.

They were fighting from 15 to 23.09.1944 against Warsaw Uprising fighters from "Radosław" & "Kryska" Units.

So your nationals have their part in Warsaw Uprising.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


And you forgot to mention that Bandera was a chief of the terrorist group which made attempt on Polish Home Affairs Minister, Bolesław Pieracki and kill him in the very centre of Warsaw (Foksal Street). It was on 15.06.1934 and was the main trigger to open the Bereza internment camp.


Wołyń churches where orthodox, not Uniate, you should know this.

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


Don't forget late Ronald Reagan, who pressed Soviets economically with arms race in which they simply can't afford to participate. They had to remit. Once the screw was unscrewed the domino had to collapse and collapsed.


Once again you've misunderstood, BB.
I respect only whom I know for his works, fights, achievements - errors not, rather braveness to try. I simply don't know who were these prehistoric guys who were my 100th great-grandparents. I don't like to pretend I know, just as you entertaining yourself with. And this is what I think as meaningless and obscure: reaching unreachable and making history from prehistory.

I know my family roots since XVIIIth century and have more than 100 persons in my family tree. I'm proud of it and what they did. You're right they deserve it. I know where some of them fought and with whom, and why the other didn't fought anyway, and what they build and lost in the Eastern Borderlands.

But I know my limits. I'm proud of Kazania Świętokrzyskie, Rey, Kochanowski, Chodkiewicz, Żółkiewski, Zamoyski, Sobieski, even while the most of my family name bearers wasn't even in Poland while they were alive. I'm proud of the big state Poles managed to built, and I'm ashamed how they ended it. Enough?

History / Does Poland deserve credit for the 1989 Revolution? [87]


In any case. It's because sometimes the reason of pride is so distant, meaningless and obscure and moreover sensitive to revolutions in research. I just worry about you in case you're not so Germanic German. By the way, have you checked your DNA?

Yes, I am a modestly proud Pole. But I'm not looking for funny Sarmatians, Ants, Sklavinoi, Polans to define myself.


And who the hell is Arborrghini? Certainly I'm not a Lamborghini. Since there were so many ethnic influxes to Polish ethnos (and outflows from as well), so I feel no connection with these ancient unknown tribes. If you consider equal nation and language group, so you deeply wrong, as BB is.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]


How polite and modest you're ;-)


You've forgotten Martians and rainbow alliance...