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If I'm agnostic, deist, atheist - can I say that to Polish people in Poland? [72]
I see very interesting thoughts here so I am replying profusely to most of them:
But as I am a merciful Christian, I will do it to you under narcosis.
That's so not Christian of you;).
Lets face facts dude, you cannot comprehend that its you who can be wrong as God's existence cannot be proved but it cannot be proved that God doesn't exist either.
You are dumb because you are unable to understand and comprehend that simple fact.
You just wrote that the chance is 50-50 or similar. I have no problem with that whatsoever. Personally, just looking around the world I think that everything points out that the chance is close to 0. You on the other hand you can
believe it's 100% sure that god exists - and I have no problem with that either. I also have no problem with Harry Potter fans, I just have less to talk about with them because I like to talk about facts and certain things. It helps credibility and the reason for discussing. Religion is interesting (for me at least), that's all. But to observe and study - not to follow/believe. I would loose all perspectives if I choose to follow, and why would I do that?
I'm shocked with your answers.
I take it as a compliment. Thank you.
You claim that they're worse educated
Mostly, yes. Very often. Where is the strongest support and blind following of the RCC? Villages I think.
believe in fairy tales
And
how do you call such stories? Immaculate conception, Noe's ark with all the animals, Adam & Lilith (that was actually cool!), then his second wife Eve giving start to mankind, Christ's resurection, Lazarus's resurection (for me it's a zombie thing, but hey, maybe I don't have enough faith for that), original sin, Half Blood Prince - oh, sorry wrong story, other "miracles", ten commandaments and all other things like that. It's just as believable as Voldemort's powers and shite like that.
How could you?
By the powers of mind and use of the Internet.
some spiritual faith or want to have a tradition they can relate with
Spiritualism has nothing to do with religion, it can be separate. And there are much nicer traditions too... your choice. On which I - and Johnny, or everyone can comment on. You commented on my posts too. I am not angry, even on Ironside, who lost his temper easily on me.
Isn't stereotyping a trait of uneducated and bigoted people?
I'd partially agree here, but I wasn't stereotyping - rather saying about stathistical majority. There are many exceptions too, which my views do not (or might not) not involve.
As for fairy-tales, those "fairy-tales" are sometimes needed for a psychological reasons. Imagine you talk with a terminaly ill person, would you have no heart and tell that person that there is no God and he is waiting for his ultimate end? Would you do that? If you did I'd say you're cruel person.
I already did that. If you respect this person, you say what you think, which in my case was: Grandma, I don't think there is anything more to life at all, as nothing suggests that. You are old enough to stop living in lies and false imaginations and there is never too late to start thinking instead of feeding youself with false promises and religious concerns. I hope there is no afterlife or I will be really dissapointed. We should take care of this life and not something we cannot be hoping for.
Believe it or not, she understood most of it and accepted my views. What she thought for herself is her own business, but maybe I opened her eyes, or induced some amount of critical thinking...
Personally I know two married couples composed of a Catholic and an atheist, so it seems there is no problem with accepting others' views even within marriage, so tell me why you can not accept it?
Accept what? Mixed religion couples? I never commented on them. Not my business. I have that situation in my family actually and I still think it was not my issue.
Some people need a hope
But hope is something different than false promises and fake imaginary friends.
It's just unclassy and wicket.
Now I feel abused and insulted.
I think it's a feature of an intelligent person to understand sociological phenomenoms and not to draw easy conclusions.
No, I do understand it and even more, it fascinates me. However, it does not refrain me from commenting on how it looks objectively, when you keep your feet on the ground firmly.
No, it's a toll of politics mainly and religion unfortunately isn't and never been free from politics. But it's not an idea which is wrong, it's just people who made wrong use of it.
Then why the heck even use it if "people are misinterpreting it" or "misusing in politics" etc.
Treat it less literal more metaphorical.
Yes, I heard that many times. Jonah living in a whale, and Noe's all species on ark are metaphors but scenes of murder, sodomy or incest are not (or they are inconvenient so let's also treat them metaphorically?). Can you rely with your life on a book that's mostly to be treated metaphorically as you say, but no one knows which parts are to be treated like this?
Religious people not always believe in all that.
Either they are Roman Catholics or not. You cannot be accepting half that you like and the other not fully. The RCC does not allow that. And people who do that (majority I suppose) don't have an understanding and sufficient knowledge of their own (supposedly) religion. How riddiculous. The more Christians read the Bible the more of them resign or at least start having serious doubts. But most of them haven't even read it, or other sources and yet they are blindly following - those I like to ridicule (on which you complain), as there is nothing in these respects I can admire or accept. If they treat religion as so important to them then why they know so little about their own religion, let alone others, to be able to compare, know what's better or worse - in all words: to have a BROADER view.
I heard about some surveys which exposed that most Catholics in Poland don't believe in hell.
So they know nothing about their creed! They should also believe in Satan, angels, archangels, hell, miracles, etc. You have no choice to pick parts you like in Catholicism! Who and whet do you fear if there is no hell and Satan???
They believe that God is so merciful that he forgives everyone.
That's creating their own religion. Catholicism does not leave room for your own interpretations. Either you follow or you're not Catholic.
