History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

And that justifies killing of innocents Jewish women and children by Poles?

Please, don't bother using numbers that are unconfirmed and taken from estimates and statistics. Statistically, more Germans died in WWII than Poles and just as many Germans are estimated to have died in post-war expulsions as Poles during the entire war. Also, numbers-wise, the biggest victims of WWII were Russians - and the number of Russian who died freeing Poland from the Nazis was bigger than the number of Poles killed by Soviets.

In addition to that, Chodaczkiewicz, although a great historian, is a Pole and clearly biased towards Poles - he highlights the numbers that are favourable to Poles and lowers the numbers that are unfavourable. ALWAYS.


Do you even know what this word means?

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Yes, there were Jewish communists and yes, it would be better if there were less. However it's impossible to say that communism was somehow a 'Jewish' thing. Perhaps you're right and Stalin did put Jews in positions of power because he freaking felt like it, but it's not like seats were given to every Jew that Stalin could find. And it's DEFINITELY not like every single Jew just dreamed of becoming a communist. Please remember that there were also many Jews who took part in anty-commie protests and lots of Solidarity members were Jewish. You can't equate communist sympathies with nationality!

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

In that case I suppose you will be happy to know that after 68 security services became exclusively Polish. Polakomuna.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


Here's your answer. They didn't think in terms of nationality then.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Well, it's the same guy who's bragging about his daddy in communist militia and uses the 'our strets your houses' proverb as if it was positive. Can he get even more stupid?

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

ender
Sorry, could you explain your post to me? I don't understand the context, I'm afraid. What house?

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

1jola
You missed my point. Jewish communists were acting on orders from Poles with the approval of Poles and for as long as Poles allowed them to. So there's nothing to compare, the only thing which their existance proves is that nationality doesn't make anyone a saint or a murderer.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

1jola
They were acting with full approval of their Polish commie collegues and then they were kicked out. I hate them, but I'm far from appying collective guilt.

yehudi
Fair point.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


Ridiculous.
But the author of this blog actually BRAGGING about his communist daddy is just as riddiculous.


Obviously not. But have YOU actually read this nonsense? The author of that blog is a person who dedicates all of his free time to find as much sh*t on Poles as he can, no matter if it's true or not, just to show 'those nasty Poles' in a bad light. He's the exactly same kind of person as our dear forum antisemites.


Dude, it's a Holywood production. There's no place for actual moral complexity there.


327 confirmed, 1000/2000 estimated. Out of 180,000–240,000 Jews who survived. And it was 2/3% of total victims of post-war violence. I understand that Jews felt threatened but feeling threatened is a completely different thing from actually being in a mortal danger.


Szmalcowniks are described as a Polish phenomenon even though Anne Frank didn't survive a war because she was betrayed by a Dutchman. Also post-war violence is called a Polish phenomenon, not a Romanian, Slovak or Ukrainian phenomenon although pogroms and killings of Jewish returnees happened plenty of times over there too. And yet, nobody cares, because Poland is treated like some sort of symbol of antisemitism.

Genealogy / Easy way to find out which Polish coat of arm/Clan you belong to. [105]

markskibniewski

Hello there, relative. My family has this CoA except ours looks slightly different due to marriages with other noble families. Unfortunately I don't know much about it other than that it's actually a very common CoA and our former president Jaruzelski had it too.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

In Jedwabne's case a bunch of moronic Poles were definitely perpetraitors. The rest of the town was simply too scared of the Germans' reaction to stop the slaughter. But you can't call them ALL just bystanders.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Ironside
And I think you just don't understand my point. Read some of my earlier posts and you'll see that I'm always very much against applying colective guilt to my own nation. I just think that the rare, but definitely true cases of wrongdoings and shameful incidents need to be acknowledged.

Grzegorz
I agree completely. So what's the problem?

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

What I mean is that a big number of defenceless women and children were killed by people of Polish ethnicity solely because of their nationality. We could argue about the circumstances but the fact still stands.

And by THIS kind of argument I meant the kind of argument that lasts three pages with repeated use of statements which were used in other three-pages-long argument from another thread.

Life / Why do people think that I'm Polish ? [92]

I have asiatic folds too. Apparently it's quite common among Polish people. Epicanthic folds are also known as 'Mongolian eye folds' which kinda explains a lot.


My family from both sides has black hair. I'm being asked if their dyed all the time.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Sigh. No, I don't want to get into THIS kind of argument again so I will just say that I'm absolutely certain that Jedwabne and Kielce did happen and nothing you say can convince me otherwise.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]


I certainly hope you meant something else by this.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

yehudi
Such incidents did take place and it's very saddening but I don't like the way this subject is usually brought up. People usually make it sound as if postwar murders were a rule, not an exception, carried out by the whole Polish population, not just a handful of degenerates, with the blessing from the rest of the population (maybe even handing out rewards for every Jewish head) and of course limited only to Poland and to Jews.

Barney
I agree. The author of this article is spot-on.

History / Have Poles blood on their hands? :) [496]

Ah, I didn't mean Jews from Central and Eastern Poland. And it's not like I suggested that it was the Jews who dispossessed Poles. Rather the opposite, really, if someone buys a house with their own money then obviously it's theirs, nothing evil or sinister about it. I was just poking fun at the guy who uses a proverb that was born out of resentment for a perceived injustice to battle the exactly same kind of injustice.

History / Poland: Her heroes and her traitors [214]


Add also "Swedish", "Mongolian", "Ottoman" and everyone else who has ever invaded us.


Aw, I'm not a good Pole then. I can't remember the last time I prayed to Światowid.

Travel / Is it safe to travel to Poland? [194]

dtaylor5632
Also, we eat their babies.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

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Well, with your edit it doesn't matter anymore

BTW I am not tolerant. I am a raging anti-antisemite.

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Yeah? Which ones? Am I not one of them?

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]

Sorry, my confusion came from the statement by a PF member 'Socrates'.
But I'd rather you weren't. I hate it when some Poles give the rest of us an image of an intolerant nation. I always get a feeling like the only way of countering it would be becoming a philosemite but that would be just silly...

History / Polish hatred towards Jews... [1290]


Again? Weren't you Greek not so long ago? I wish I could change my nationality so easily;)
I would have become Jewish, just to spite you.

Language / Why in the world there are three ways to write simple U ?!?! [54]

I meant the phonetic pronounciation. You don't pronounce 'k','g' or 'h' but you add 'a' for some reason. In Polish nearly every sound is transcribed and only sometimes one or two letters are pronounced a tad bit differently.

Language / Why in the world there are three ways to write simple U ?!?! [54]

I remember learning about the difference in pronounciation in different regions in Poland on one of my linguistics lectures. So it all depends I guess.

I also learned that there are three ways of pronouncing 'e' in the English language and pretty much from anywhere you can expect a surprise attack from 'shwa'. Phonetically, English makes much less sense than Polish. How the hell does 'knicht' become 'nait'?

Language / Why in the world there are three ways to write simple U ?!?! [54]

...WHAT? How is '£' similar to 'U'? It's a completely different sound!


These are not similar in the slightest!

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You've been living here for 4 years and you can't hear the difference? Unbelievable!

Life / Russian Language - is it offensive if I speak it to Polish people? [69]


No. Our famous dislike for Russians is only skin-deep, nobody takes it seriously enough to feel offended only by the language (which sounds very pretty to a Polish ear anyway). On the other hand there's a general belief among Poles that foreigners think of Poland as a village in Russia with no distinct culture or language, so if you try speaking in Russian right away without asking if people understand, they might have the impression that you can't tell the difference between Poles and Russians and THAT might be insulting.


Yes, with everyone under 30.

News / The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland [240]

Harry
So it's better to attack a whole nation? I shall remember that, my dear Moral Guardian.
Nice try, but I won't be provoked. I've read enough of your posts to conclude that reasoning with you is like trying to reason with joe pilsudski.

News / The "Arbeit Macht Frei" sign theft from Oswiecim, Poland [240]

Magdalena
It's Harry. What did you expect?