History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


you said that one of his mottos was: freedom through genocide. Can you provide a link or you just basing it on a general interpretation of the history?

Bandera hated Poles just like many Ukrainians did and they had reasons. Retaliation is what happened.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


NO, I did not mean that. Of course you are free to interpret what I said they way you wish. Far fetched interpretation, but there is nothing I can do:).


I am glad we are on the same page:)

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]

an interesting story with a bitter sweet end.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


what I meant by being on the same page is that I agree with you that we both don't like wasting time on each other, so please keep the promise.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


we are not in court.


agree, therefore Ukrainians experienced genocide by Poles for centuries.


I have been on this board for a while and Ukrainians have been criticized on an ongoing basis. You don't expect me to take responsibility for the action of somebody else, or do you? I am not comfortable with the collective responsibility. I personally would never kill anybody, but a war and ethnic conflicts is a different story and I am not in a position to judge either side.


Ukrainians got their share from the hands of other nations. What boggles my mind is the fact that many posters here are playing victims.

I said it a long time ago: it is up the both of the governments to clear and apologize, only then both sides will be able to move on.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


NO, it was the Soviet government.


I think the the operating body (the Soviet government) was a crucial part of the Holodomor. I also think that there is nothing uplifting about starving people: Ukrainians or not.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I am chilled out. I am just not sure what you were trying to convey? Puzzled.

Travel / Poland wildlife and similar wild life where you live. [240]


lynx has a short tail and this one does not. Isn't lynx bigger then the domestic cat?

Travel / Poland wildlife and similar wild life where you live. [240]


well, that could have been a wildcat- ŻBIK in Polish. My cat had a marking similar to zbik.

News / Changing Face in Poland: Skinnhead Puts on a Skullcap [90]


like any fanatic denomination. End of.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


why? You have said it and I don't see a reason to repeat myself.


Sure. Orthodox faith is part of the Ukrainian make up and it has a long and strong tradition. I went back all the way to Kievan Rus because this is where that faith originated. Poles were too forceful with their Catholic Religion (just one of the reason for being disliked) on local Ukrainian population. One cannot force another religion. It always results in either covert or overt reaction. During the Lithuanian COmonwealth - the Lituanians let the Ukrainians to practice their won faith and often converted to Orthodox, which was very smart of them. Poles showed Catholic religion and eventually it ended up in the bloodshed.


I don't know. It takes time from what I understand.


UPA was good for Ukrainians and bad for Poles. There is nothing else to add in my opinion. We will always disagree on those matters.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

you should have stated how you wanted my answer to look like- it is indeed a good way to have a healthy discussion.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

It is an old and strong religion and should not be disregarded. Poles found out the hard way.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


he did not have to, he killed everybody on equal basis regardless of nationality.


It is your opinion and all I can say that it is not anybody's matter but the Ukrainians who believe in Bandera. He was a man of his times and if it was not him, another one would be chosen in his place. He merely reflected the sentiments amongst Ukrainians and it is one of the reason why many still think he is a hero. NKVD got rid of him, so he must have presented a great threat to USSR and it is not his nationalism, but his popularity. Stating that USSR has never been nationalistic does not change the fact that Soviet killed millions of people regardless of their nationality. Whoever was an enemy of the system - was to be rid of. Also, USSR would not thrive of nationalism since it would contradict the "ideology" of the many republics as one. Russification however was a form of nationalism.


nice try Sasha but I cannot see how that contributes to the discussion. All I can say that Ukrainians derive a lot of identity from Orthodox religion. What are you trying to say? Just say it.:)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]

Szarlotka went on a dry spell from Guinness, he mumbled something about a bet and as a result he has low tolerance to alcohol and started posting in Russian.

He deserves a Noble Price in the Literary Excuse Category;)

Off-Topic / PF - The Omnibus Edition [1502]


you are EXCUSED!!!!!!!!;)

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

agree. That is usually what Volyn threads are about on PF.

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]


I don't know what is though in the West, nor in Ukraine. I just know (studied the history of Orthodox religion in Ukraine) that it is part of the Ukrainian identity and whoever is trying to change it will be perceived as enemy.

The Ukrainian church had played a significant role in sustaining Ukrainian identity over the centuries.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

interesting the so many Poles have immigrated to other countries yet they want to keep their own insular to immigration.

On the serious not the amount of bulling other nations on this thread leaves ONLY bad taste in my mouth.

The only positive thing for Poland I can see in managing immigration is that it can learn from other country;s mistakes in handling the mass immigration and I still think that it will never happen to such a degree because Poland has less to offer to those who are seeking new home.

I guess the EU passport seekers will always be there.

Life / BEFORE Poland.. what did you do then and what are your plans now? [29]

TIT- who are you trying to impress? If you are a mean bastard then the eduction will not help you;)
kindergarden: from age 3 to age 6 _ I hated the Polish milk soup on the sunny days.
primary school: I loved the basketball team, but hated my Polish teacher.
Secondary school: well, it was even more boring and I hardly made it through because my math skills were really not up to par, but I loved chemistry.

College: lost of fun

university: stuck up/ inflexible profs and really lousy TA - overall - great experience/my first paper was handwritten and I got some strange looks from my peers.

and on, and on and on and on......

History / just before the war the Polish/Ukrainian szlachta learned Ukrainian [243]

many people from this period will always have bad memories and the only way to cope is to keep them alive, however, it is not serving either side in my opinion.

Once Polish are out of Ukraine, these wounds have a chance to be healed.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


you sound a little patronizing to me, but considering your previous posts I am not surprised and I find your preaching tone quite annoying.
It is easier for Poles to integrate because of the many similarities in their won culture, but when you mention a skin colour, I just cringe because you are wrong. There are many people who integrate, but only if you give them space, forced integration never works well, which Europe is a good example in comparison to countries who have a different immigration politics: Canada/US/Australia, and even there, there are many problems. However, with time they can be overcome. It does not happen in one day.

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


then there is nothing I can do about the way you feel. I have a different opinion. I don't mix with other races not because I have anything against them but because it usually boils down to having little in common with them.


they did in the past but this is NOT a topic of our discussion. I guess the reference to colonization rings the bell.


that is fine. I have a different opinion because I saw this approach work time and again.


you are wrong again. I live in the city with over 50% population being immigrants from all over the world:).


I a sure there are conflicts but I have never heard about this being a problem. I am sure there are gangs who fight each other but I think it is more based on the war for territory then because of ethnicity.


again, a patronizing stand on your part. White people /gangs fight each other too, as they did in the past. Just because there is a conflict, it does not mean that it is the end of the world.

To be honest, your posts are ridden with a dash of paranoia and fear. I cannot relate to it at all.
I like all ethnic groups/ I have never had a problem with them in the past. I am sure there are conflicts but often press blows things out of proportion.

Eg. when police in my country needs more funding, the press suddenly starts writing about the the ethnic crime and so on on order to get the support from the public. It is a form of manipulation I think, but the police ranks in my country decided to include the ethnic minorities for two reasons: one- political correctness and inclusion, another one: to find a way to understand a different ethnic culture and find a way to - well, lets say control them, or keep them in check. Immigrants are not gonna go away and those countries need to find more creative solutions to ease up the situation between the host country citizens and the immigrants. That is my take on it.


fair enough and I understand the frustration, however there will always be some tension between different cultures and the results will greatly be influenced how those tensions are handled. I know I am speaking in general terms but, I really don't know to what degree the problems of immigration effect your country. I need numbers.

I am more about finding a solution then being stuck in a problem fueled by fear.

Other races make you feel uncomfortable and I am not sure how you gonna handle it, but I sure would not want to be in your place to be honest.

Language / jak ulu? [9]


it is an expression and it means: the work is going as well as in a beehive- which means very busy.

Language / jak ulu? [9]

what did I say? LOL

UK, Ireland / Britain... What the Poles did for us. [444]


ah, no, add Irish and English as well, not to mention French;). Well, the governing system was, but the rest was the Native Nations invention.

Life / You are Polish if... [433]

some people are blessed more then others;)

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]

who? me? YES. 100%

News / Mass immigration to Poland - article and response [479]


invader? You have a funny way of putting it. Wait until I invade Ireland;) with my EU passport:).


and should not be discounted in this discussion. However, your negative stand on immigration is not something which should not be taken into consideration as long as you show a prove that immigrants are indeed are problem in your country. A real problem in a sense that it actually brings the economy, social life down. Mind you one of the largest immigration groups is from Ireland.


I just checked the statistic on immigrants in Norway and it adds up to about less then 10% of the total populations, with the Polish immigration % being the highest.


So if Dariusz has a case, it is a very weak one indeed.

illegal immigrants should be deported, but Polish workers in Ireland are not immigrants per se.

History / Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland [344]


99.99% do. Occasionally we get a lunatic who does not.