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Trevek   
10 Apr 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

that's kind of what I was getting at with your "rock n roll" example. How that element of culture actually gets expressed in daily life in the U.S. is something pretty hard to define. Overall though, I think I see what you're getting at.

Agreed, but then we could also say there is no single R'n'R, I mean there are so many sub-genres and, in the early days, regional variations. They just come from a source which was formed by the "American experience" and operate with an identity known as Rock'n'Roll.

This is kind of what I'd say American culture is, it is something formed from the experience of different original/migrant cultures under the heading of "America". It only exists because "America" made it exist and evolve. It is only defined because those within it define themselves as "American" and recognise others, who may express it differently as fellow "Americans".

So, when Pip says

sorry, Canada and America are not the same culture.

, I'd suggest the main reason they aren't is because they recognise themselves as Candadian and American. Otherwise, apart from certain regional/ethnic areas, how exactly is the culture so different? Would you also say that the US culture on the Mexican border is the same as that on the Canadian border? Does the culture change noticeably and radically when you cross into Canada?

To use the comparison of Ukrainians, Germans is not a solid comparison because of the language difference, for one. However, in some cases, like Lemko, Hutsul etc, they were defined as Polish or Ukrainian at different times of the 20th century. Likewise, Mazurians and Warmians have skated the thin ice of being "German" or "Polish". Likewise, what happens when someone talks of "Slavonic culture"? Usually the idiosyncracies are overlooked in the search for a common culture.
Trevek   
10 Apr 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

There is but it's not what you make it out to be.
When you write that American culture is rock'n roll, what do you mean by that exactly?

Not so much much that American culture is rock'n'roll, rather than r'n'r is an element of American culture.

Well, all these styles are hybrids of other styles which have developed from American society, so original R'n'R came out of a meeting of a variety of other cultures (Black, Latino, White Southern rural), just as things like Blues developed from rural Black and White music, which transformed again when it moved into industrialised northern cities like detroit.

The popular cultural aspects of America reflect the social in many ways.

Of course, I haven't been to America, although I have relatives in Canada :-)

The thing is, when people talk about a "national culture", quite often it doesn't exist as a homogenous thing. I mean, you could ask, "What is Polish culture?" but the answer will differ at least slightly in different parts (so in warmia-Mazury they don't eat as much sheep cheese as in the Tatra mountains... indeed, there are hardly any sheep in WM). Likewise, the industrial culture of places like Śląsk are almost non-existent in places like Suwałki.

So, it doesn't take much to consider there isn't a single "American Culture" which is reflected across the board, except, perhaps, in some philosophies and ideologies (although that would be varied too).
Trevek   
10 Apr 2012
Life / Polish word for 'queue' [18]

Personally I was gasping with horror when I saw English not washing their hands after walking out of toilet. I guess it's a matter of cultural difference then. Diversity.

I'd be pretty shocked too, as it certainly isn't a cultural thing (I know hardly anyone who doesn't do it). Maybe it's that the state of some public toilets in Poland they thought it safer not to chance washing their hands.

As for queueing, my "favourite" is when there is a whole line of people and one person says, "I\ve just got a question..." and the assistant stops serving to deal with that one person!
Trevek   
7 Apr 2012
News / Controversial exhibition of Hitler's Art in Szczecin, Poland [14]

''About 110,000 Japanese Americans and Japanese who lived along the Pacific coast of the United States to camps called "War Relocation Camps,"

Agreed, as the actor who played Mr Miyagi spent his childhood in one.

However, I said "Holocaust", which, if some historians are to be believed, you DO have to be Jewish.
Trevek   
7 Apr 2012
Travel / Any Anglican churches in Poland? [35]

Are there any Anglican churches in Poland?

The way the Anglican church is heading, with defection to Rome, the nearest Catholic church will soon suffice.
Trevek   
7 Apr 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

Poland does not need immigrants.

Funny, in 17th and 18th century, Poland was doing pretty well from Scottish and Dutch immigrants, as well as being pretty multicultural in itself. Multiculturalism as a reality works... as a political policy, perhaps not so much.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't both the orthodox and protestant church (or their church services, respectively) made illegal in Poland-Lithuania and Poland during certain time periods?

Well during the counter reformation Poland refused to play and a lot of protestants came to Poland to escape persecution.
Trevek   
2 Apr 2012
Language / How similar are Polish and Romanian languages? [75]

I can tell you one thing, oldest letter of Romanian language was written in Serbian language,

Isn't Moldovian just like Romanian with a cyrillic alphabet?
Trevek   
2 Apr 2012
News / Controversial exhibition of Hitler's Art in Szczecin, Poland [14]

It is just another stupid decision. Why put it there? It is bound to annoy people?

Even if this was a joke, as suggested, then why shouldn't it be exhibited in Poland?

If the items had some kind of link with szczecin, why shouldn't they be shown there? I mean, there are museums to Auschwitz etc... and a Holocaust museum in USA, where there weren't even camps...

Why should an exhibition about AH be so contraversial, it's not like it would be glorifying him, is it? I mean... If I look at a painting by AHJ am I going to start getting a strange urge to raise my right arm and shout "Seig Heil?"
Trevek   
30 Mar 2012
Language / How similar are Polish and Romanian languages? [75]

as well as a sign of national identity and an ancient link to scriptures

I believe there is something in the Scriptures about the Tribes of Isarael returning and all speaking the one language (rather than the babel).

Glad you and I agree on the Irish "question".
Trevek   
29 Mar 2012
Language / How similar are Polish and Romanian languages? [75]

Maybe some Paddy can explain why the Israelis succeeded where the Irish failed to turn Gaelic into a living, main language.

Gaelic is a living language. It is also an offical language in Eire, used in education and government.

Israel had the situation where there were many people coming into the country who spoke different languages and needed a lingua franca. As many/most Jews would speak some Hebrew because of its use as a ritual language then it probably wasn't too hard to start using it as a day to day and administerial language. gaelic, on the other hand, was/is competing with English which the vast majority of Irish already spoke in some degree. Also, many Irish spoke no Gaelic at all so it was harder to make whole generations suddenly start speaking it when they could already communicate with other Irish people in English.

Couple this with the probable (?) lack of interest in Gaelic following the years of degredation/persecution under british rule, leading to it being considered a rural peasant language and something to be ashamed of.

(and I'm not irish).
Trevek   
29 Mar 2012
Travel / Any Halal Restaurants in Krakow? [34]

A bit far to travel, but there is actually a Halal kebab place in Olsztyn. The owner is Egyptian and has a certificate from the Imam in Warsaw to certify he uses Halal.
Trevek   
23 Mar 2012
Life / Poland needs more immigrants and their children - which nationalities are the best? [518]

No we don't. We don't want become another UK with a lot oriental restaurants and pubs but no hardware shops.
Where buying a door lock is pain in the @$$ in the city with 200k inhabitants.

Don't worry Peter, I doubt Olsztyn will get many. Olsztyn now has an international reputation as a place full of racists thanks to pizza boy.
Trevek   
19 Mar 2012
History / Poland and Britain started WW2 [307]

Funny thing... The British Ambassador asked the Polish consulate for Gdansk if he wasn't worried about the obvious military build up in gdansk, including a few warships and a brigade of SS a few months before the outbreak of war. The Polish consulate replied "wars aren't won by a few tourists".

Bet those words were ringing in his ears a few months later...

(British government Blue Book on the outbreak of war. 1939)
Trevek   
16 Mar 2012
News / What is the population of Poland's non-european minority? [142]

Interestingly, the disparity seems to be dropping these days. My old uni is now 8000 for a year, but only 9250 from international students.

Interesting indeed. Is that non-EU? Of course, with the tightening up on international student visas and the drop of UK students, they probably have to keep the prices lower for non-EU.
Trevek   
16 Mar 2012
News / What is the population of Poland's non-european minority? [142]

It's likely that some training is needed but honestly are these highly skilled positions they just can't fill no matter what? It is more than likely the pay is just too low.

True... but in Britain they call it "The-british-don't-want-to-work-syndrome" It translates as "they don't want to work for crappy money so we'll hire migrant workers who do".

It is more than likely the pay is just too low. It really is time that employers here started paying employess a wage that reflects the cost of living in Poland. Employers and business owners have always tried to pay as little as possible and then complain about the state of affairs in "THEIR" country but never spread the wealth. You think that changes or stays the same with immigration?

Well, it can change with migration into a country... the wages in a UK factory that I worked one summer (as a factory hand) hadn't moved in something like 5 years (probably because they worked with temps and the migrant workers would accept minimum wage). I have British friends who had to lower their prices because "we can get three Poles for your price"

I have spoken with people in Poland who find some firms do a crap job... then complain that they can't get the workers these days.
Trevek   
16 Mar 2012
News / What is the population of Poland's non-european minority? [142]

With all those people leaving Poland, why would many people want to move there?

To fill the workplaces left by Polish emigres. I've heard of several firms complaining they can't get good labour.

I once taught English to managers in a big international firm in Poland. They said they had to get engineers from Lithuania "because all the Polish engineers are serving beer in London".

And British universities have been conducting educational fairs in India throughout the year (Why the hell they want Indians,who dont mix well,Dark skin to STUDY IN THEIR SOPHISTICATED IDIOTIC COUNTRY?

Becasue foreigners pay upto 4 times more for their course!
Trevek   
14 Mar 2012
UK, Ireland / Polish is an official language in the UK? [68]

It may or may not be a genuine sign, but considering all the Poles in the UK, there is NO excuse for such mistakes these days;

Well, how about this mistake in Wales:

The English is clear enough to lorry drivers - but the Welsh reads "I am not in the office at the moment. Send any work to be translated."

When officials asked for the Welsh translation of a road sign, they thought the reply was what they needed.

Unfortunately, the e-mail response to Swansea council said in Welsh: "I am not in the office at the moment. Send any work to be translated".

So that was what went up under the English version which barred lorries from a road near a supermarket.

"When they're proofing signs, they should really use someone who speaks Welsh," said journalist Dylan Iorwerth.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7702913.stm
Trevek   
13 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

They should have bombed German military installations as they promised.

Well, they bombed German naval targets on September 4th and continued sorties, even bombing the Ruhr and Monchengladbach in early 1940

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bombing_during_World_War_II#The_Western_Front.2C_1939_to_June_1940
Trevek   
12 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

There are many words in the dictionary to describe your goverment before during and after world war 2.
I'd choose vile.

As is your right (and it's nicer than many other words some would use).

However, you might also consider that Churchill didn't just have Poland to worry about... he had a whole empire to try to save. Not that makes him any better or worse for his actions, just helps explain them a little.
Trevek   
12 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

So, Britain is getting their arse kicked across Germany, North Africa and Asia, and they are to be blamed for not wanting to upset their most powerful ally in Europe.

Some historians believe that the Western front in WW1 would have been lost if Germany hadn't taken troops away to fight the Russians in the Mazurian lakes. Following Russia's withdrawal from WW1 it was only the arrival of the Americans which saved Britain and France. Of course, this would never have influenced any decisions 25 years on...

Always a good laugh to see people offering holocaust denial websites as proof of anything!

is that Irving's website? The guy who opens one of his books by saying the Polish cavalry attacked gGrman tanks because they thought they were made of cardboard.

Funny how all it takes to change his mind about the Holocaust is a spell in an Austrian jail. maybe we should put him in a Spanish one and he'll say the Spanish killed Sikorski to get Poland to free Gibraltar.
Trevek   
12 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

zero died for Poland they died to keep English empire hold on to their colonies

and how many colonies did Britain have in Europe at that time (not including the 6 Counties!). If Britain hadn't entered the war on Poland's behalf, is there any evidence that germany would have taken their colonies? there was more threat from Japan on that score.
Trevek   
12 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

I for one certainly do not have anything negative to say about British service personal in world war 2.

The comment was not aimed at you.

Britain (or France, for that matter) NEVER lived up to the pact and never sent any military help:

Hmmm, considering Britain was almost obliterated by the Luftwaffe can you imagine how far any attempt to send military aid would have got? Maybe they should have just sailed it in through Gdansk...
Trevek   
12 Mar 2012
History / A little reminder for those Brits that ***** about Poles [143]

Yet, you have the nerve to act surprised the Poles refused to join you in your little victory parade ..... do you have any SHAME???

You scummy litle turd!

How many thousands of British and Empire troops died attempting to honour a treaty with Poland? How many British civilians died in bombing raids on British cities because Britain entered a war which neither they nor Germany wanted?

Germany never thought Britain would make a stand on behalf of Poland and didn't want to go to war with Britain.

My mother lost family in that war and my father's brother and father were fighting in that war... for what? To be called "traitors" by someone who'd probably have been sucking Stalin's haemmorhoids of he'd been around at the time.

Good people fought and died in that war, good people who could have made a decent contribution to life if the bloody politicians had got it right. Good people who fought (and died) side by side with brave Polish service personell. Don't you dare, you whiny, turd sucking piece of scum, call those fallen and their families "traitors"!