Food / Polish Pizza !! The best in the world? [330]

Personally if there is one food I am not keen on in Poland it is pizza. They should stick to traditional Polish food over there as it is quite delicious.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

wbj.pl/article-55539-russian-response-to-smolensk-report-on ly-the-poles-were-at-fault.html

Well no surprise that MAK has rejected any part of the Polish Report that puts the Russians at fault.

Basically there are too many things mentioned in MAK that former pilots and other experts in this subject have said are wrong. I have watched it now on various Polish television news channels. I rightfully did not trust the Russian side from the start and was right to do so. PO was wrong to do so. We had an original Russian report that was putting all blame on the Polish side. We had a pathetic responce that also put most of the blame on Poland although they did mentioned that the Russian side also made mistakes. Despite the ass kissing from PO the Russians have dismissed the parts of the Polish report that put any blame on them

The Russian airport was apparently totally ready and had nothing wrong with it. Yeah sure because Russia can do no wrong. I suppose the recent airplane crashing or the 'Bulgaria' ship also had nothing to do with bad organisation.

Side Note - So that you know I am not against Russian citizens I am against the Russian goverment, I was against them and I am probably always going to be if they continue to be led by the Russian KGB criminals who run it.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You have to admit it is more the Russian side that do not want to accept blame here. I mean if you have a look at the report from Poland, that I am not sure I agree with but forget that for now, it basically puts the majority of the blame on to the Polish side. The Russians on the other hand still seem to be annoyed that there are comments made as to the airport being of a poor standard etc.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

I am not going to make analysis regarding the plane as I am not an aviation expert, nor have I seen and analyzed the evidence left over from after the crash. What I can say is that there is a fundamental problems in being able to even put together a report.

Poland has [still] not received all evidence since the crash, despite us now being close to 16 months after the crash. Whey thet have got is what the Russians have given them and we do not know if what they have given them was tampered with or not.

The other thing concerning me is that this is supposed to be factual based. How factual it is I am not sure but the fact that the Russians seem to be making conclusions with no evidence to back it up is very concerning to say the least. How can they say general Blasik was putting on pressure with no evidence? All they can say is that he was in the cockpit, no more. Yet they said that 'obviously' his presence in the cockpit would put pressure on the situation. They have no right to do this.

This is why I am unsure of Russian intentions and am sceptical about trusting them.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

I was wondering convex where are you from? I am asking out of curiousity. You seem to have an answer for everything, a bit like the Russians.

As for your comment about the right to assume there was pressure. They had not right. The presence of a superior is not pressure. Some people are very good at handling something that others would consider to be 'high pressure' situations. This is why a superior who is in the cockpit might be wrong but it is not in any proof of pressure. Like I said this is supposed to be a report of facts not conlusions reached from different situations.

By the way why did they not mention the so called 'pressure' on the other end?

Basically what the Russians said seem very convenient in concluding that Poland is totally at fault and Russia did nothing wrong. There is so much 'dodgyness' around this whole case that it is not unreasonable for a person to be suspicious. I mean the black box has taken an age to be given to the Polish side and when it was given it was just a copy, so still no original. There was something else that was asked for recently [not sure what it was, saw it on Polish news, a recording of some sort] that the Russians have said there is no use giving to Poland as it has nothing on it and have not handed it over.

Honestly if the Russians did not feel they were at fault from the start and had nothing to hide then why be so protective? Why not assist and say here is the evidence gathered, it was a terrible tragedy, very sorry fo you, feel free to go and investigate the cause of it. Not, go away, wait till it is checked here first and then you can look at it later on when it is time to.

If you ask me, and this is purely a theory, we have had too many instances in the past of wrong doing by Russia and in this case too many things do not quite fit in to place. The report by Macierewicz is something that you should look at as the Polish Report was always going to put more blame on the Polish side and this was said many times even before it was officially released. Before anyway says that Macierewicz has an agenda, his report is not to be taken seriously, read it. A report led by a PiS representative has got just as much right to be looked at as a PO report. I still think that it is a shame that a neutral team did not take charge that was neither from Poland or Russia.

UK, Ireland / Why Poles will never belong in England [283]

Why is it when I make a harmless, saracastic, joke about someone, for not being able to use grammar properly and therefore wanting to go to Poland and teach a language that you are not great at yourself is a bad idea, my post is deleted? Yet A thread like this and some of the pathetic responces like the ones above are not?

Life / Why Do You Love Poland? [907]

So anyway my reasons then.

Poland is great because of the

food [delicious]
pretty girls [most of them]
Catholic values [being Catholic it does mean a lot to me since where I live there are almost none]
language [I like it]
weather [In the summer it is hot and in the winter it is cold, as it should be]

Life / Do you think that Polish people are rude? [951]

I think it is slightly naive to try to generalise with 'people from here are nice' and 'people from there are rude.' It depends on the person, but I can say this, many Polish people in shops, do not understand the meaning of customer service. Having said that, at least if they are nice to me, I know it is sincere. A lot of Brits can give you all that 'how yoy doing mate' and then stab you in the back and twist the knife. Or not to be a little less extreme, talk crap about you to others.

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

It's frightening that there is still an opinion in Poland that if you are patriotic you are some sort of right wing racist. What is happening in Poland. It is starting to be like Britain where people are afraid to say anything in case they get branded a racist.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

It's amazing. In a world where generally speaking, unless a person is trying to sabotage their own nation [and there are actually a few leaders like this], most leaders tend to fight for their countries. In Poland, it seems every time the crash is mentioned it causes a shiver up PO politicians spines. They would rather just admit it was the fault of their own country and move on as quick as possible.

By the way, anyone remember the Barbara Blida case? You know, when she took a gun and shot herself. How long was that ranted about in the sejm? The SLD politicians spent ages 'investigating' [or trying to prove that PiS was somehow at fault for her shooting herself] this case. It was talked about for a very long time. In the end, after a long while, they could not find any proof and it was dropped. When the same is trying to be done here, a proper investigation, it gets shut down as being complete madness.

Law / The right to own guns: would you support such legislation in Poland? [2237]

I would, if only there were not so many insane people. You just know bad stuff would be happening if people could own guns. To be honest I think giving out driving licenses to people is enough, or even too much still, since there are so many psychopaths on the roads. I wonder if there is some statistic that shows Poland to be the worst for road deaths? It would not surprise me it it was.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

People should stop poking fun at a man for trying to get to the bottom of a tragedy that is still unresolved [it is not resolved because Russian and the Polish government say it is].

For a long time members of PiS did not openly say it was a planned attack. After a while though, with no detailed investigation and a look at the suspicious behaviour of the Russians on a number of issues, they are implying that it looks to be likely that it was murder, key being likely, not definite, but probable.

Oh by the way recently an Italians football player died on the pitch. There is a full investigation being conducted in to his death. It is standard procedure to investigate a death.

The Russians pushing experts away, not allowing them to look in to this is very suspicious to me. Is it not to you? It surprises me more people not complaining about the treatment by the Russians.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]


An early candidate for the most idiotic political post of the year.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Look I'm not going to be playing expert here by analysing stuff and deciding what sources are reliable and what sources are not? Here is what I know, as someone with no skills in anything airline related. The way the Russians reacted and the unwillingness by them to allow the Polish side near the scene is suspicious. The report they gave that put the blame entirely on Poland [including blatant lies] is suspicious if not, to be expected. The fact that Michael Baden [American expert involved previously involved in high profile cases] is also very suspicious. The fact that PO want this to be forgotten and not mentioned again is suspicious. Finally I think the constant lies of how 'digging this up' over and over is having a negative emotional effect on the families is odd to say the least. It is the families who want this to keep on being investigated.

I personally have not once heard a person from PiS say it was deliberate murder, they simply say that it is starting to look more and more likely that it could be. I think the term 'conspiracy theory' is overused now and it is very easy to commit foul play these days, knowing that many people will react to any suggestions 'something dodgy' by rolling their eyes and muttering 'conspiracy theories,' thinking they are too intelligent to fall for these so called 'theories.'

Genealogy / I love Asiatic influences in Polish peoples' faces [59]

I think it depends. Not keen on it that much. I do not mind an slight influence of Asiatic Indian but not keen on the white people that look Chinese [like Kazaks].

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Actually Sobieski that is not what I heard.

First of all the Russians pretty much took over the investigation, with the Indonesians just assisting them.

Secondly the Indonesians did not refuse to give anything back. From what I gather the boxes were apparently located in the sea and very difficult to obtain, so the Russians have not yet managed to get them back. I do not see any reason as to why the Indonesians would not want to give them back, while I can think of quite a few why the Russians would not want to give Poland their boxes.

When it is a clear [or at least most likely] accident, there are no problems in retrieving evidence, so why was is so difficult for the Polish side to get theirs and why did it take so long?

Apparently the Russians have also ordered that every piece of the plane be taken back to Russia [again, normal in normal conditions].

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Hey how about not having double standards and saying the same to Sobieski. I do not see him sourcing his information. Oh of course but what he says suits you more so you say nothing about it.

I use words like 'apparently' and 'from what I gather' as I am not arrogant and I do not falsely claim to state facts when I am not absolutely sure.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]


pawian my source is the Polish media although now that you mention it, who can trust them,or most media for that matter? So who can we trust, unless we actually go out and see something ourselves.


Oh you mean like the PO and Russian reports we already have so far? Yeah those are obviously unbiased. You can believe tt was a 30cm twig that did it, took the win right off and flipped the plane over.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

For those who understand Polish and are not able to watch TVP info, watch the above link. In the programs he basically states that he wanted to discuss his findings with experts in Poland but there were no takers. Not only that but the presenter of the program 'Bliżej' tried to get in contact with many of the people involved in the investigation so they could retort what was said by Binienda in the program and debate his findings but he was rejected by pretty much everyone he called [as you can see at the beginning of the program]. Binienda might be supported by PiS guys like Macierewicz but he seems like a legit guy to me who simply finds there to be some serious lack of logic to some of the stuff that is written up as what 'officially' happened.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

You have your opinions and I have mine. I think the 'wake' style is shocking personally. As for grief, It is not about a show. Seriously how can people have a laugh and a good time when someone close to them has died? It seems abnormal to me, almost inhumane. Not to say you should not move on with your life and people in Poland do but it takes time. Time is a natural healer, you do not spend the rest of your life grieving but you do not have to 'get on with your life' within a few days of someone's passing, do you?

Dude how is it possible you are Polish and hate your country so much? Unless you're lying and you are not Polish at all. You're a British Polak I assume. You can not seriously be attributing getting handouts and getting benefits of other countries as just a Polish trait. Try to find a country where you do not find lazy people who just want handouts. Generalising like you do is stupid. By the way could you tell me who helped Poland out of occupation in 1990 because I am sure it was not the great powers of Britain or the USA.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

gdyniaguy if you want to see my response go to the 'deleted periodically thread.' It seems the mods on here do not understand simple instructions as 'do not delete this it is my last off topic posts. Honestly I am starting to understand why some people do not bother with this forum.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Yeah funny that. You see my comment related to an off topic post originally made and you took it off, yet other off topic posts are still here. Seems fair right? It seems you pick and choose the off topic posts to take off.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

Look at all this off topic chat, none of it being taken off.

Double standards still here but forget it I am not bothered.

As far as the term Polak, I do not and will not consider it an offensive term and I do not care if you think it it. Polak is what you say to a Polish man in Polish. If Americans have decided that it is going to be an offensive term for someone who is from Poland, that is up to them. For me it is not. Anyway I call people Polak, that is the Polish spelling, not Polack that I believe is the offensive American one. It is stupid. It would be like me deciding that calling a person Dutch is a racial slur when in the past it was and is a normal term for a person from Holland.

By the way gdyniaguy I stand by the opinion that you do not know how to grieve. British grieving is have a party, celebrate the life of the one that has died and move on. The Polish way is grief, be sad that someone close to you has left, mourn [if you want] and then move on but return to the grave every so often to reflect and show some respect to the dead.

So really what you are saying is that Poland is an ass backward country because it is Catholic while the UK is way too sensible for this. Oh and since when does mourning mean that you have to wear black. Did I say that? Tell me why are exactly do you live in Poland since it is such a crap country stuck in some 'old traditions' according to you. You ever heard or respecting the traditions and customs of a place when you are there. If you do not like it, you know what you can do, go back to the great, intelligent, forward thinking UK.

By the way to the mod, once again checking to see if the double standards are still in place, I cannot use a so called 'slur' and yet this guy can make fun of Catholicism?

Off-Topic / Voicemail - paying every time I want to listen to a message? [8]

Yes sir I forgot that I was being assessed on spelling in this thread starting, 1 hour examination.

As for what it has to do with Poland, sometimes I wonder if you read posts or just skim them. I said, at the beginning, you know, that would be the right up there in the opening sentence, if you would be as kind as to look, that this has nothing to do with Poland. Thank you for pointing out the obvious, twice.

Off-Topic / Voicemail - paying every time I want to listen to a message? [8]

I was wondering what Polish people had to say about it. Is that good enough for you?

Feedback / I love this forum - It's so Polish: tolerant, inconsistent, amusing [252]

Merged: PF is Addictive

I got to say I joined a while ago just to take part in some topics and occasionally read some stuff, but like with many forums I have joined, I expected my post count to decrease slowly until I eventually leave. It has not happened. Yes occasionally I am away for a while, but I always return to check what is going on. It is one of my regulars as far as daily websites to check go [you know what I mean I am sure you have yours]. Is anyone else surprised to still be here as long as they are or have any of you seriously considered leaving, or even left, only to return again?

Law / Weapons laws in Poland. Carrying a concealed handgun? [918]

What about nun-chucks [spelling?]. You could be going to a fight class where you learn to use them?

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]


Oh go on you can to much better than that. PO does not want the black boxes to avoid a row in parliament? Tell me this is a joke.

News / Polish final report on Smoleńsk aircrash [859]

If Polish people do end up examining it then if they suggest nothing in particular, PiS will say they favour PO. If they say it might be the result of a bomb explosion, PO will say they favour PiS. So they need to be neutrals.