Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

O, tu są Żydzi wspomniani odnośnie tych marmurów świętokrzyskich (a konkretnie zygmuntówki) chociaż jako rzemieślnicy, a nawet mistrzowie kamieniarscy:

surowce-naturalne.pl/swietokrzyskie-marmury-i-wapienie-maly-przewodnik-po-polskich-zabytkach-cz-i/

"W pierwszej połowie XVII wieku w Chęcinach pracowali kamieniarscy mistrzowie z całego świata: Włosi, Szkoci, Flamandczycy oraz Polacy i Żydzi."

Taka ciekawostka - ten marmur zygmuntówka został użyty do wykonania pierwszego/oryginalnego trzonu słynnej kolumny Zygmunta III Wazy wzniesionej w 1644 roku w Warszawie - stąd się wzięła jego nazwa - "zygmuntówka" :)


I piaskowce :)

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

@Alien, jeśli chodzi o "Wietrznię" to tam wydobywano wapień. W świętokrzyskim wydobywane są głównie wapienie (bloczne zwane są marmurami świętokrzyskimi), granit zdaje się też, ale nie wiem jaką historię mają te wszystkie kopalnie.

Świętokrzyską ciekawostką jest krzemień pasiasty - nasza ziemia jest jedynym miejscem na świecie gdzie on występuje :):

turystyka.wp.pl/polski-diament-w-paski-najpiekniejsze-okazy-sa-warte-wiele-tysiecy-zlotych-6757552403827296a

Ale nie wiem czy Żydzi mieli z jego wydobywaniem cokolwiek wspólnego. 🤔

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

@Alien, pisze o tym w artykule, do którego podałam link:

"Żydowscy przedsiębiorcy rozwinęli na dużą skalę eksploatację surowców naturalnych, z których produkowano materiały budowlane."

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

@pawian, szczerze mówiąc nie wiem, ale domyślam się, że pewnie też (chociaż jak to wyglądało procentowo - nie mam pojęcia). Z tego co wyczytałam to przenosili się do Kielc np. z okolicznych, mniejszych miejscowości:

dom-kielce-planty7.pl/historia-kieleckich-zydow/

"Rozwój żydowskiej społeczności Kielc nabrał nowego rozmachu po 1905 roku, kiedy to do miasta przeniosło się wielu mieszkańców zniszczonych pożarem Chęcin. Liczną grupę przybyszów stanowili chasydzi, którym przewodził Chaim Horowic."

'W branży tej szczególnie wyróżniała się znana i bogata rodzina Zagajskich, właścicieli kamieniołomu "Wietrznia".'

Teraz to jest rezerwat przyrody i część Geoparku Kielce:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rezerwat_przyrody_Wietrznia_im._Zbigniewa_Rubinowskiego

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

@Alien, tak, wiem. Przeca jestem z Kielc :P

Jeśli ten temat Cię ciekawi to możesz poczytać w Wikipedii:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom_kielecki_(1918)

Tamten z 1918 roku był taki bardziej polityczny, mam wrażenie, niż ten z 1946, który chyba bardziej bazował na takim prymitywnym, "ludowym" antysemityzmie.

Btw, pewnie niewiele osób wie, że przed wojną w Kielcach mieszkało dużo ludności żydowskiej - 35%. Jeśli dobrze pamiętam to procentowo więcej niż w Krakowie i Warszawie. W Kielcach było to dosyć młode osadnictwo, rozkręciło się na dobre chyba dopiero w XIX wieku, jeśli dobrze kojarzę. 🤔

Żydzi w Kielcach byli właścicielami banków, fabryk, prawie połowy sklepów w mieście, mieli swoje szkoły, bibliotekę, była wydawana gazeta w jidysz - "Kielcer Zeitung", była duża synagoga i domy modlitw, oczywiście, itd. Trudno to sobie teraz wyobrazić...

Więcej niż w Kielcach (ponad 40%) ludności żydowskiej mieszkało np. w Białymstoku. Taka ciekawostka - w pogromie białostockim było z kolei tło rosyjsko-carsko-zaborowe:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom_bia%C5%82ostocki

Po polsku / O co chodzi z tymi Żydami. [144]

Nie wiem kiedy to było dokładnie, ale pamiętam, że kiedyś był news w lokalnych kieleckich wiadomościach, że izraelska młodzież spotkała się z polskimi uczniami w szkole.

I takie coś:

kielce.naszemiasto.pl/goscie-z-izraela-w-kielcach/ar/c3-584480

Language / How to pronounce "y" in Polish? [28]


"Y" in "myth" is the closest to Polish "y", imho.

Real Estate / 60% increase in rent (Warsaw, open-ended contract) - do I have to agree? [9]

@Michael1976, in case of an open-ended rental contract it's 3 months, unless your contract with the landlord says otherwise (it can be longer).

The rules concerning the increase in rent are regulated by law:

bankier.pl/wiadomosc/Podwyzka-czynszu-za-mieszkanie-Sprawdzamy-na-jakich-warunkach-wynajmujacy-moze-to-zrobic-8239584.html

For example, the landlord is allowed to increase the rent based on the inflation from the previous year (so from 2021 in your case).

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [283]

@Miloslaw, yes, but he was raised in Poland and his mother was Polish :)
And check this thread out:

historycy.org/index.php?showtopic=107960

UK, Ireland / Polish immigrants in the UK - victims or criminals?! [283]

@jon357, yeah, parents don't expect their kids to call them like that here - in Poland it would be viewed as messed up.

In the past kids would call their parents "pani matka" (madame mother) and "pan ojciec" (sir father), but even then it depended on the family, it seems. For example, Chopin referred to his mother and father as "Mama" and "Papa".

History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

@pawian, thanks, but I'm not an expert ;) Maybe I will be one day, though, who knows lol :))

History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

@KorkiTaczer, I don't recall Tusk calling "commies" and "traitors" anyone who would criticise or oppose PO.

And how do you know that Hoc was a "a KGB operative"?


Did Hoc do anything wrong?


I don't know, do you think Hoc can be compared to, for example, the founder of the best and most famous Polish Special Forces unit (GROM)? Do you know what general Petelicki was doing during communist times? He was spying for PRL on Solidarity people who were living abroad. And yet, after the end of communism the Solidarity elites accepted him, even that nutcase Macierewicz - when Macierewicz was the head of MSW in the 1990s he could boot Petelicki out, but he didn't do that. What's more, Petelicki said that at some point Macierewicz saved GROM.

How do you explain that?

History / Poland rightwingers` bonds with PRL communist regime [191]

@KorkiTaczer, but pawian doesn't mean that basic compulsory military service during PRL - Michał Jach was an awarded professional soldier for 25 years who left the army as a major only in 1994 :))) Better do some research before commenting ;)))

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@gregy741, noone was banning Russian language and shelling cities in Donetsk and Luhansk regions before Putin sent their soldiers there and to Crimea either.


I wrote "if they wanted it".

Besides, Chechnya expressed it's desire to be independent twice (two wars). What do you think about the fact that Russia didn't respect that desire and leveled Grozny to the ground just to keep Chechnya in Russia? Are you OK with that?


That's exactly what Russia is doing to Ukraine - arming brainwashed, Nazi-like psychos and sending them to burn, rape and loot in Ukraine.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]


Russian propaganda is full of hate, lies and evil, it's Goebbels-like these days and so it deserves that "SS".

@gregy741, no. Are you going to answer my question?

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@RussianAntiPutin, for RuSSian propaganda it doesn't matter that Wałęsa is an erderly former president who can't do anything. They're overblowing it on purpose.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@Crnogorac3, Serbia doesn't exist. It is a Russian territory where the Serbian people are the majority. As Russia says, this is how Serbia will do.


RuSSian propagandists don't seem to realise that they're showing to the world what hypocritical mindf*ck they're suffering from lol They're condemning Wałęsa, calling for kidnapping and bringing him before court, offer 5 million euros for his head just for what he said. While Putin is actually really doing it to another country - Ukraine. They're outraged at Wałęsa just saying it, while their own president is doing it.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@gregy741, I'll comment once you answer my question :):

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@gregy741, Wałęsa talked about dismembering Russia (making it a smaller state, and, hence, with smaller population) in case the political system/regime couldn't be changed. He was talking about all those "ethnic" republics in Russia getting independence. Surely, you wouldn't be against that, if they wanted it, considering how much you support the "independence" of DPR and LPR?


Unlike in Russia in Poland governments change. Tusk's party during campaign promised to pull out Polish troops out of Iraq and that was one of the reasons I voted for his party. So, unlike Russians, Poles are reformable and able to change their governments - so there's no need for "dismembering" of Poland, according to Wałęsa's logic.


Wałęsa wasn't calling for mass murder, you idiot.

News / Piotr Kraśko - road to perdition [9]


Yeah, I am disappointed with him. He seemed like a nice, decent, warm guy. There was also news recently about Tomasz Lis being accused of mobbing, sexism and homophobia by his employees. He was showing a different face to the "outside world", of course. It's kind of scary - you don't know who people really are...


As for trees - since PiS came to power there has been a problem with trees disappearing from forests into unknown destinations, while the prices of wood keep getting higher and higher in Poland.


In case you haven't noticed PiS has been in power for 7 years already and they've become the new elites. And, unfortunately, they surpassed the previous government in all the crappy stuff possible - nepotism, greed, fishy shenanigans, arrogance, lies, hate, stupidity, hypocrisy, lack of professionalism, wasting public money, etc.

Sadly, our elites, whether those are politicians, journalists, TV presenters (Jarosław Jakimowicz from TVP, for example) celebrities (Beata Kozidrak's drunk driving, for example) or the Church, are the reflection of our society. So, there's nothing to be happy about or to gloat about. It's depressing.

Po polsku / Wolności słowa w Polsce nie ma?? [93]

@Cojestdocholery, ale w USA też są ograniczenia, więc tam też nie ma absolutnej wolności słowa. A więc według Twojej logiki też można by powiedzieć, że w USA "nie ma wolności słowa". Co oczywiście byłoby głupotą, bo jest. W Polsce też jest, a to że jest więcej ograniczeń niż np. w USA i Tobie osobiście wydają się chaotyczne, czy nie rozumiesz z czego wynikają, nie oznacza, że wolności słowa w ogóle nie ma lol Bo jakbyś wtedy określił to co jest np. w Korei Północnej? Tam to dopiero naprawdę nie ma wolności słowa. Więc jakbyś opisał różnicę między Polską a Koreą Północną w tym zakresie? I w Polsce i w Korei Północnej nie ma wolności słowa, tylko że w Korei Północnej nie ma jej bardziej? lol

Dlatego uważam, że Twoje stwierdzenie, że "w Polsce nie ma wolności słowa" jest bez sensu. W Polsce jest mniej wolności słowa niż w USA, ale ona istnieje.

Po polsku / Wolności słowa w Polsce nie ma?? [93]


No to jeśli według Ciebie w Polsce nie ma wolności słowa, to nigdzie jej nie ma. Już Ci napisałam, że w żadnym państwie nie ma absolutnej wolności słowa. W każdym są jakieś wyjątki. W żadnym państwie nie ma też absolutnej wolności osobistej, bo wszędzie są jakieś prawa ją ograniczające - nie możesz kogoś zabić, zgwałcić czy okraść, bo masz akurat na to ochotę.

I co to znaczy, że jest "uznaniowa" według Ciebie?

Po polsku / Wolności słowa w Polsce nie ma?? [93]

@Cojestdocholery, wolność słowa w Polsce jest, ale nie absolutna - są pewne ograniczenia, np. dotyczące propagowania totalitaryzmów lub nawoływania do nienawiści na tle różnic narodowościowych, etnicznych, rasowych, wyznaniowych albo ze względu na bezwyznaniowość:

statystyka.policja.pl/st/kodeks-karny/przestepstwa-przeciwko-13/63613,Publiczne-propagowanie-faszyzmu-nawolywanie-do-nienawisci-art-256.html

Nie sądzę żeby istniało na tym świecie państwo gdzie by istniała absolutna wolność słowa. Nawet w USA są pewne ograniczenia, np. dotyczące pornografii dziecięcej.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@Velund, you didn't answer mafketis' question.


So? At some point Kaliningrad belonged to Poland, at another it was a feoff to Poland. Should we take it back? lol

Also, Soviet Russia accepted the independence of both Estonia and Latvia in 1920 and later the USSR also recognised their independence in 1991.


But the US PAID for Alaska, so, you know, maybe you'll get lucky enough and Russia won't reach for it with it's sticky fingers, haha :D


Check this out:

mobile.twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1514590348852580352

'A Russian man is facing a criminal probe for passing out free copies of George Orwell's "1984." His crime? "Discrediting armed forces of the Russian Federation."'



Insanity...

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]


Poland didn't invade Germany to "save" Poles living there. Nazi Germany invaded Poland giving the same reasons that Putin gave for invading Ukraine. Poland was reacting to a German invasion, it was defending it's territory, just like Ukraine is.

And Ukraine isn't invading Russia.

Also, that's some really bad/stupid comparison with Hitler - if he wasn't defeated many more people would die, actually - not only Jews, but also Slavs. A completely different situation than with Zelensky and Ukraine. If Russia pulled out of Ukraine - the killing would stop. So, perhaps it's you who should ram your head against a wall (I doubt it will help though).


Russia started it in the first place!


Indeed.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]


My observation is that his feeling of superiority and having more rights than other countries is flowing out of pro-Putin Russians on this forum and out of those pro-Putin Russians I and other Poles discussed with over the years. Plus lack of moral values, empathy, respect for human life, etc. When you combine all of this you get what you can see happening in Ukraine...


Noone would die in Mariupol if Russia didn't attack it. Noone would die in Ukraine if Russia didn't invade it. This is a simple fact. This is the reality that you are in denial of. You don't save your people by killing them. Russia claims it invaded Ukraine to save Russian speaking people, but as result... many more Russian speaking people are dying daily. Where is logic in this?


Lies, lies, lies.

And countries have the right to defend themselves from an invasion, ffs. The blood of people of Mariupol is on Russia's hands.

*this feeling of superiority

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@gregy741, I'm not writing any "pseudo intellectual dribble" or "idiotic rusophobia". I'm presenting facts to you.

I presented to you and others what Wałęsa and Morawiecki really said.

I also debunked your lie that Russian was banned in Ukraine or that Russia is "saving" Russians in Ukraine.

Which reminds me - gregy741, could you answer this question?:


Are the lives of people in Mariupol somehow less valuable to Russia than of those living in Donetsk and Luhansk republics?


Exactly.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]


You seem to forget how much death and persecution the Soviet Union and it's communism unleashed upon this planet. But, yes, there are some similarities in Russian and American outlook which is why the US is hated in some parts of the world. So don't be surprised that Russia is hated in some parts of the world too.


Are you talking to Morawiecki or to me? You do realise that it's a quote from Morawiecki, right? lol


Yeah, and even though in Russia there are, in theory, other official languages in various republics, the reality is that the education is mainly taking place in Russian. A quote from Wikipedia:

"Every year the Russian Ministry of Education and Science publishes statistics on the languages used in schools. In 2014/2015 the absolute majority (13.1 million or 96%) of 13.7 million Russian students used Russian as a medium of education."

And in Karelia (a historical province of Finland) the only official language is Russian.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]

@gregy741, don't be an idiot, or don't pretend to be one. Noone said that "russian cultural world must be destroyed". Morawiecki said that "Russkij mir" ideology should be rooted out through de-Putinization of Russia. It's all in that first Polish article I linked to. Just read it.

A quote from that article (from Morawiecki):

"Putin's 'Russkij Mir' ideology is an analogue of the 20th century communism and Nazism. It's an ideology with which Russia is justifying imaginary rights and privileges for it's country. It's also the basis for the story of a 'special historic mission' of the Russian nation. In the name of this ideology Mariupol and tens of Ukrainian cities have been razed to the ground"


You mean listening to that Russian guy on Russian state TV, surely? You know, that one who said that 2 mln Ukrainians should be killed?


Lies, lies. Noone needed to be protected, defended in Crimea, etc. I'd like to remind you, again, that it all started with Crimea - Russia invaded Crimea in February 2014. Why? Was something bad happening to people in Crimea? No. But it's a strategic territory and that's why Putin wanted it.


Because part of Ukraine is historical Polish lands. Of course, majority of Poles were deported from there by Soviets or were either massacred or fled UPA's ethnic cleansing. So, you could say that there's no reason for Poland to take those lands, since few Poles live there nowadays. But Russia is also invading lands where majority of people don't want their forced version of "Russkij mir". Russia tried to take Kyiv. Russian army is occupying, for example, Kherson, where many people were protesting against the Russian invasion and were waving Ukrainian flags. So why are they taking lands where they are not wanted? Who are they "saving" there?

And how did Russia "save" Mariupol by razing it to the ground and by killing it's people? Could you explain this to me, gregy741? The lives of people in Mariupol are somehow less important than of those living in Donetsk and Luhansk republics?

And Russian language wasn't banned in Ukraine. Stop lying, gregy741.

News / Lech Walesa urged to "reduce Russia" to 50 million people [366]


No, he didn't say that. He meant the "Russkij mir" ("Russian world") ideology:

"»Russkij Mir« is a cancer that should be rooted out". The prime minister about the criminal Putin's ideology:

polskieradio24.pl/5/1223/Artykul/2955486,%C2%BBRusskij-Mir%C2%AB-to-rak-trzeba-go-wykorzenic-Premier-o-zbrodniczej-ideologii-Rosji-Putina

About the concept of "Russkij mir" in Wikipedia:

pl.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russkij_mir_(ideologia)

Quotes by Morawiecki:

gov.pl/web/primeminister/prime-minister-mateusz-morawiecki-during-the-strategic-ark-conference-i-call-for-isolation-of-the-president-of-russia

"Criminals must be judged, and the Russian World ideology must be defeated and eliminated," assessed the Prime Minister.

world-today-news.com/polish-pm-wants-to-destroy-russian-world-kremlin-responds-with-lightning-speed/

"Russia's world is a cancer that poses a deadly threat to the whole of Europe. Therefore, it is not enough to support Ukraine in its military struggle with Russia. We must completely eradicate this monstrous new ideology," he said.

And just like in case of Wałęsa, Morawiecki's words were a reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and to what happened in Bucha, Irpin, etc. It's because Russia justifies invading and dismembering other countries with this "Russkij mir" ("Russian world") ideology:

dgap.org/en/events/russkiy-mir-russian-world


LOL
You're such a stupid hypocrite, gregy741 :D


I didn't associate that guy with all Russian people. I was showing his "performance" as an example of what's going on on Russian state TV - how far gone it is.