News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Evading questions is part and parcle of your MO, so I'll repeat it very slowly and in plain Enlgish: why did you latch onto just that one precept which had the lowest participation?

BTW, what have you got against the poor Czechs?

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


But why did you choose and beat to death only that precept which shows only 40% regularly attend mass, not the one followed by 70%? Bias? Lying through omission? Trying to badmouth Polish Catholics? Zlata Praha awaits!

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


But they do: 70% make their once a year confession and communion. How is it that you have conveniently overlooked that fact and latched onto one enabling you to badmouth Polish Catholics. Praga Czeska czeka!

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


It is you pontificating until you're blue in the face about one liturgical aspect of Catholicsm. But Polish Catholicism is much more -- it permeates the totality of what Polishness is all about, its history, culture, traditions, even its eating habits. As an alien, legal or otherwise, you cannot divest yourself of the Englishness that have been imprinted on your being from birth. And you will continue to view Poland through the prism of your English mindset, preferences and prejudices.

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


But 70% do make their annual confession and communion. Why did you focus on the lower statistic pertaining to weekly mass attendance?
We all know why -- because then you could not say most do or do not do whatever complied with the tendentiously propagandistic point you were trying to make. But whether you like it or not, your host country is CATHOLIC POLAND, not Islamic Turkey, the atheist Czech Republic or Orthodox Greece. It is a bad and obnoxious guest who comes to dinner and belittles or ridicules his hosts, innit? BTW, Prague is a beautiful city. You'd surely feel more at home there amongst the godless beer-guzzlers!

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Another concoction of PF's wannabe self-styled theologian?

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]

So you are saying the annual confession and communion is no longer the bare minimum required to stay in good stead with the Chruch?

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Do you really see everything in black or whtie, either or. An integral, complete, married family has to involve battery and booze, and unwed mothers with a string of passing-through boyfriends provide the ideal conditions for child rearing?

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Meaning we can all look forward to more unwed mothers, bastard births, broken homes, confused fatherless kids, desertions and other hallmarks of egoistic "progress". Your long awaited degenerate, anarchised society is slowly taking shape. And you will soon have more marchers for your freak parade!

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Polish society is not limtied to "many young Poles". BTW PF is hardly a youth forum. I restate the original question: Is PF reprensentative of a cross-section of overall Polish public opinion?

That would mean a majority favouring PiS and 70% making their Easter duty. And do you believe the average PF-er's earnings are similar to those of the average Pole?

In case your'e curious, this is what Poels actually earn:

Struktura wynagrodzeń (netto) Liczba pracujących (skumulowane) Odsetek pracujących (skumulowane)
Poniżej 1181 zł ok. 800 tys. osób 10%
Poniżej 1423 zł ok. 1,44 mln 18%
Poniżej 2776 zł ok. 5,2 mln osób 66%
Poniżej 3549 zł ok. 6,4 mln osób 80,5%
Ponad 3549 zł netto miesięcznie zarabia tylko 19,5% pracujących
Ponad 7000 zł ok. 270 tys. osób 3,47%
Ponad 14000 zł ok. 48 tys. osób 0,06%
Ponad 19000 zł ok. 16 tys. osób 0,02%
-ródło: opracowanie Bankier.pl na podstawie danych GUS

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


No such allusions intended, but do you believe PF posters reflect a representative cross-section of Polish public opinion? (That's what the post was about, after all.)

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


But I have and I visit churches eversy Sunday, not only my parish but also other churches. Compared to churches in Sweden, Holland, the Czech Republic, Germany and elsewhere, Polish chruches are definitely fuller on Sundays. It is true that congregations have thinned somewhat since the early post-PRL period but not to the point of being nearly empty. So don't pull rank on non-Poland-based posters and flaunt the fact that you are "on the spot" and therefore presumably more credible. The credibility of anyone who regards Simon Mol as "a nice guy" has to be highly suspect!


Perhaps, but percentagewise far less untypical than your beloved freak parade types.


I presume that's also you view of your own mother and grandmother. A shining example of the kind of of filial love and respect demonstrated by the wayward and unchurched.


You will find that PF despite the name is populated largely by expats and non-Poles so the general tone of discussions is not typical of Polish public opinion. They tend to selectively focus on those fringes of Polish society that reflect the alien prejudices and ways they have brought here from their home countries.

Conversely, they often attack, belittle or deride typically Polish views, attitudes and traditions with which they do not identify.
PF may be helpful for practial things like train routes, how to rent a flat, hire a car, seek job openings, etc. but it does not reflect a representative cross-section of Polish public opnion.

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


Our court atheist, self-styled wannabe theologian and blowhard know-all has been harpng upon something he is obsessd with, but as usual he has no hard facts to back it up. Missing Sunday mass is a sin but so is stealing a KitKat from the corner shop. It is making a confession and receiving the Eucharist at least once a year that is the minumum required of every Catholic wishing to remain in good stead with the Church. JP2 reaffirmed that precept in his 1992 Catechism of hte Catholic Church.

By traditon this is usually done during the Lenten/Easter season, hence in English we speak of "doing one's Easter duty" or in Polish "odbycie spowiedzi wielkanocnej". But that is only a tradition - that requirement can be fulfilled at any time of year.

opiekun.kalisz.pl/index.php?dzial=artykuly&id=4359

Rather than Sunday mass attendance, which is not a minimum requirement, you may be interested to know that according to CBOS 70% of Poles make their Easter confession. A few more may fulfil the requirement at some other time -- the main thing is "at least once a year"..

News / There is no Poland without the Church! [178]


And it has worked for the Polish nation since AD 966. There must be something to it. You and jon must interact only with athies and libertines on the fringes of Polish society, giving you a skewed impression of what makes the real Poland tick.

Genealogy / I am of Polish descent (i am something called kashoop). Kaszub, Kashubian? [19]


BARTOSIEWICZ: surname of patronymic origin meaning son of Bartosz (or Bartson). A variant spelling is Bartoszewicz.
A Kashub is a reisdent of Kashubia who speaks Kashubian. Google those for details.

Genealogy / THE MEANING AND RESEARCH OF MY POLISH LAST NAME, SURNAME? [4500]


SZERWIŃSKI: variant oif Serwiński, derived from first name Serwacy, so probably originated as a patronymic nick.

SZEWIŃSKI: a toponmyic tag from localities such as Szewno or Szewnia.
More info at PM.

History / Kielce Pogrom - new findings by IPN [42]


Esepcially after the regime's goons spread the rumour that a Polish boy had been kidnapped by Jews.

History / Kielce Pogrom - new findings by IPN [42]


Since that's all you know, you need to be clued in. The so-called Kielce pogrom was engineered by the Soviet-installed commie regime to divert international opinion away from their rigged "3 x TAK" referendum. Moscow had its embassies, spies and sleepers world-wide and knew that any attack on Jews so soon after the Holocaust would spark an international outrage. The presence of Polish and Soviet security troops in the area of the Jewish émigré centre who did nothing to stop the attack is the best proof thereof. Then again, who knows who the attackers were? Or who the security troops were for that mattter. You can dress anyone in a uniform or plainclothes as required. A few were put on trial but the whole thing was one big sham.

UK, Ireland / Polish Nazi's humiliated in London - anti-Jewish demonstration [60]


Playing the naive village idiot again? For the same reason that Tusk teamed up with a bunch of hayseed bumpkins. The object of politics is to get elected and stay at the trough as long as possible.

Kaczyński is no excpetion but at least he does promise a better Poland for the average Pole than the Platfus scam artists playing footsie with bankers and corporate exploiters.

History / Kielce Pogrom - new findings by IPN [42]


That's not surprising. They knew that would divert world attetnion from the regime's shenangins. The NKVD/UB presence by that time was so ubiquitous that no grass-roots eruption would have been possible unless it served the regime's purpsoes.

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UK, Ireland / Polish Nazi's humiliated in London - anti-Jewish demonstration [60]


That's how your kind show szacunek (respect)?
BTW that's Kaczyński - you may not like him but don't misspell the bloke's surname!


The Polish for that is: Człowiek może wyjść z wiochy, ale wiocha z człowieka nigdy (nie wyjdzie)!

Stay on topic

UK, Ireland / Polish Nazi's humiliated in London - anti-Jewish demonstration [60]


That is precisely the point. A handful of idiots, whether paid by someone or not, represent a poltical cause which has less than 1% support in Poland and cannot even make it into the Sejm. Only those Brits who know nothing about Polish politics can see such rabble-rousers as a threat. Off topic content removed

Genealogy / Crest and the meaning of last name Sumski [33]

SUMSKI: probably a surname of toponymic origin from several localities called Sumy (catfish), now in Ukraine and Belarus. No coat of arms. Sum and Sumowski did have gentry lines amongst their members.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


You and your fellow-Brit bully legalist should reprot this to the police without delay. The law is being violated, innit?


WRONG AS USUAL!

arslege.pl/propagowanie-faszyzmu-lub-totalitaryzmu/k1/a292

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


What about those displaying swastikas and sickle and hammer emblems -- both banned under Polish law? You're the gung-ho legalist after all!

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Only local public opinion is sovereign. As it is, there is too much centrlaism in Poland. People live in their local communities which should reflect local needs and preferences. Poles are American wannabees but somehow they don't emulate American local democracy. American localities can vote to make their community "dry" (no alcohol sold within the town's limits) or "wet". They can vote to incresase school taxes or not.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Local pulbic opinion may have something to do with acceptance or rejection of a public eyesore. Not everybody likes to see hammers and sickles and red stars on their way to work or school.

News / Russian criticism of Poland - Soviet war memorial removal [332]


Yes, but Poland never played the role of one of history's two greatest monsters. Would you also like to see a monument to fallen Gestapo agents "murdered" by the "polnische Banditen or to the heroes of the holocaust -- the Germans who designed and ran the Nazi death camps?

P.S:One can plainly see that upon your miraculous re-emergence on PF you have fallen exactly into step with your fellow-Brit Bullies as a Cathophobe, homophile and Pole-basher. Par for the course, I reckon.

News / When will Poland take on the EURO? [47]


In life,politics and foreign affairs nothing is irrevocable. Never forget the Thousand Year Reich that lasted all of 12 years! Or Stalin's assurance that communism was the "wave of the future because progress is unstoppable" (incidentally one of jon's favourite sayings).