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I was also wondering whether Levi has ever been harrassed, threatened or assualted by Muslims. Also in the off-topic section he says he lives in Arabia. Why live amongst Muslims if you dislike them so much? At the same time I completely agree that Muslims who don't approve of alcohol etc should either put up and shut up or choose to live in an Islamic state instead.

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Now Polonius I read the article about that which you linked me to a few days ago, and it proved to be load of hot air that will come to nothing. Anyway, France abolished its incest laws in the 1700s and how many married/co-habiting brothers and sisters do you see there??

Again.....everyone back on topic

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No I'm afraid you can't do that.


Sermon on the mount Johnny and something for you to reflect on, on the Sabbath day:

'But I say to you, Love your enemiesand pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect'.

Not trying to be awkward here. But both yourself and Polonius base much of your reasoning on Scripture and you're understanding of Scripture is flawed. I know some people think the pair of you are hilarious but I'm a Catholic myself and to be honest I find your views upsetting. I've never in my life felt compelled to quote Scripture on a chat forum or anywhere else......As for Gumishu and his bizarre words about God not having power to change people's hearts???? And suggesting that we pray for Muslims to be wiped off the face of the earth? Where, in the name of the Almighty did you guys receive your Catholic instruction/education??

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Johnny, I'm sorry but God commands us to love everyone. Those who have no faith are particularly in need of your prayers and those who are not of the Christian faith, are not necessarily bad or evil people. I know you're not anti-semitic for example, but I know that you have a thing about Muslims. If you really feel that certain Muslims are a danger then you should be praying for them that they will have a change of heart and make peace with their Christian brothers. I have a very old prayer book/missal published in 1936, long before Vatican II, which instructs us very clearly. Q: Are those of other faiths dammned? A: Most assuredly not.

As for homosexuals or lesbians, many of them are Christians or have some religious faith. And even if they don't, they are God's children as much as you or I. He is their father and he loves them.

I would strongly advise you to try to go on a weekend retreat to one of the enlightened orders such as the Franciscans and seek counsel from them regarding the un-Christian feelings you are harbouring in your heart. I'm serious about that. It's positively sacreligious to be using your Catholic faith as a justification for your views.

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And we're off! I knew you'd be out of the starting blocks lickety split on this one. Off you go now and read the prayer of St Francis "Lord make me an instrument of your peace'.

News / Polish parliament refuses to consider shack-up draft between both traditional and same-sex couples [96]

Well now that's a bit of a leap of imagination, assuming somebody is in the closet. Polonius doesn't like any form of union between anybody that doesn't conform to the doctrine and dogma of the Catholic Church.

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It's known as a la carte Catholicsm where people pick and choose the bits of the religion that they want to follow and ignore the bits they don't. Most modern, progressive/reform Catholics are guilty of that including myself. It also works the other way with the very traditional ones who use certain doctrines to support their own agenda, but conveniently ignore the commandment to love your neighbour as yourself and deny their neighbour equal rights within the law. After all nobody is asking that same sex couples be allowed to marry in church, merely that they can have a civil marriage like any citizen.

Incidentally Harry, what about Judaism where a girl can marry at 12????? But I'd defy you to find a Catholic priest or a rabbi who'd actually carry out such marriage ceremonies. Of course these laws are hopelessly antiquated, dating from a time when life expectancy was low and people routinely married in their early teens. Look at Romeo and Juliet, she's fourteen and her mother is probably not more than thirty. Should be changed of course. We need a Vatican III.

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Polonius, obwiandonnelly's attitude is very cynical but yours is very unkind and not worthy of a Christian. To dismiss the marriage vows taken by people in civil marriages as worthless is not right.

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My personal definitiions of what is 'normal:

Heterosexuality is the norm because nature has created most people hetero.

Heterosexuality: Natural, normal
Heterosexuality with deviancy/fetishes: abnormal but acceptable between consenting adults
Homosexuality: Natural, abnormal (in that it deviates from the heterosexual norm)
Paedophilia: Unnatural, abnormal

Not in the least confused. Bob's your uncle, Fanny's your aunt.

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Yes, of course, not everyone has that attitude. What would your own view be Obiwandonnelly as to why Poland doesn't want to acknowledge co-habiting couples?

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Obiwandonnelly, I suspect you've never lived in Poland. It is a very conservative country and co-habiting couples are viewed by many as 'living in sin'. So the Polish parliament does not favour giving un-married couples equal status with their married counterparts. It would be seen as condoning 'immoral' behaviour. Like all people in power, their chief interest is staying in power and if they think that a change in the law would alienate their supporters and lose them votes, they won't change the law. Simple as that.

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Okey doke. It's all getting very complicated!

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Sorry Polonius, I'm not sure if you're asking me that question or just commenting on the thread in general? I know we're not allowed to use quotes if we're replying to the last comment posted so I was just checking.

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The law of gravity is natural thus cannot be changed by man, the laws of man are man-made, can be changed, have been changed continuously throughout history and will carry on being changed.

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Let's not over-complicate things. Clearly a man cannot be someone's mother nor can a woman be someone's father. Birth certs can simply be re-designed to add the neutral term 'parent'.

By the way what 'bills' and 'acts' about marriage are you referring to and in which country?

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Agree totally. It's ludicrous to refer to a man as their 'mother'.

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That's fine Polonius, no problem.

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Hi Harry. I just meant that the term concubine is used in Poland. I've heard some women referring to themselves as concubines. An elderly lady I know said she wouldn't be able to get guardianship of her grandchild because she wouldn't be considered respectable, being 'konkubina'. Sad isn't it?

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Are you addressing me Polonius? I sincerely hope not.

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Believe it or not Oldenglisbird 'konkubin/konkubina' is indeed the official/legal term in Poland for co-habiting couples. In the West we would consider concubine a very archaic term, and of course it referred to an illicit or not quite respectable liaison. We would regard such a term as rather offensive but Polonius uses the term correctly in the Polish sense.

Love / Are Polish men handsome to you? [182]

The 'poem' contributed by Veles is a re-hash of the lyrics to the song 'Rasputin' by Boney M.

There lived a certain man in Russia long ago
He was big and strong, in his eyes a flaming glow
Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear.

Classic bit of late 70s/early 80s disco cheese, complete with authentically Russian balalaikas and thoroughly pop-tastic. Check it out on You Tube and enjoy........

Life / The best online shopping portal in Poland? [41]

Try Allegro.pl. Lots of different online shops there.