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1jola   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

And who are you to tell me to leave?

I am not telling you to leave, read what I wrote, but since you are calling me a liar, take up the challange or apologize.

After all, you said yesterday:
M-G, you forgot to address the issue.
1jola   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Sure, and I, as Dutch citizen was Walesa's right hand. Get a grip. If you think that anybody believes that nonsense, you're even more stupid than I already thought you were.

I will prove to you on this board that what I say is true. In fact, at that time I was only a Polish citizen and not an American one. There is a price to pay though. If what I say is true and I can prove it by one of our posters in Warsaw verifying it, let's say Jonni or Harry, you will leave this forum for good. Still laughing?

But besides all that nonsense of being a fighter pilot and all,

I was not a fighter pilot, but I can also prove I trained astronauts and cosmonauts in my later jobs. Your call center job just doesn't seem all that exciting now, does it, pumpkin?
1jola   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

You do realise this film was made at the height of the Cold War? Any country from the Eastern Bloc was an enemy for the Americans back then.

Thanks for replying, pumpkin, and the only reason I'm replying is that you provide a venue for answering dumb wanna-be Jews as yourself. The film Sophie's Choice was made in 1982. I, as a Polish citizen, was in the US Air Force from 1980 to 1984, so during what you called the height of the Cold War. So, the US government did not see me as an enemy, quite the opposite, but you think that Hollywood did.

The fact that Hollywood films portray Poles and Poland in a bad light is irrefutable and it has nothing to do with Cold War but rather with hatred for Poles. There are racist Jews, you know, and you as someone proclaming antiracist views should not blindly defend them as you do just because they are Jews.

My discussions with you are about to end; you are wasting my time, and quickly becoming the laughing stock on PF.
1jola   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Indeed. No argument here. The Pianist is one of the few where there is a decent reflection of reality of that period. When I saw it, I was surprised that not all villans were Poles as expected from a Hollywood production.
1jola   
13 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

I'm sorry. I made a mistake here. In Sophie's Choice(Oscar winner), Sophie visits the ghetto in 1938?!, and her Jew hating father hints the Poles had plans to exterminate the Jews before Hitler, some secret document existing to prove this extreme lie. Definitely Oscar material.

The Polish flag flying in a death camp is portrayed in QB VII. A friend, a Polish historian from Sweden, wrote:

The movie QB VII (1974) is based on a novel by Leon Uris. In this movie we have a Polish doctor who co-operates with the Nazis and performs terrible experiments on Jewish inmates. Most of the Nazi-characters are in the background and the focus is on Poles. In one of the movies end scenes we can see a Polish flag raised above a death camp.

This is nothing new. I goes back some time.

M.M.B. Biskupski's Hollywood's War with Poland, 1939-1945. amazon.com/Hollywoods-Poland-1939-1945-M-B-B-Biskupski/dp/0813125596

Product descripion:

In During World War II, Hollywood studios supported the war effort by making patriotic movies designed to raise the nation's morale. They often portrayed the combatants in very simple terms: Americans and their allies were heroes, and everyone else was a villain. Norway, France, Czechoslovakia, and England were all good because they had been invaded or victimized by Nazi Germany. Poland, however, was represented in a negative light in numerous movies. In Hollywood's War with Poland, 1939-1945, M. B. B. Biskupski draws on a close study of prewar and wartime films such as To Be or Not to Be (1942), In Our Time (1944), and None Shall Escape (1944). He researched memoirs, letters, diaries, and memoranda written by screenwriters, directors, studio heads, and actors to explore the negative portrayal of Poland during World War II. Biskupski also examines the political climate that influenced Hollywood films.

This sort of thing is a recurring theme in most Hollywood films.
1jola   
12 May 2010
Life / Anything like netflix in Poland? [27]

Try LidlMovies. It's the same idea as Netflix, but I don't know if they have it in PL yet

He is looking for info from people who know, which is unfortunately not you.

M-G (always glad to help)

Why don't you?
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

That's leaves Poles...yes, sometimes it's that easy!

Only a conclusion an uninformed person would make. It's not a crime to be ignorant of certain things, especially when they are of no interest to that person.

Still a little miffed about this morning where you came out all guns blazing without any ammo? Get over it.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

And 3 per cent was determining what happened with the remaining 97 per cent? Don't think so.

How many Germans did it take at Auschwitz to gas a million Jews? The reaction to your answer will be: You must be joking.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

and there couldn't be that many Jews left in Poland after the war (communist or not) to single handedly terrorizing the Poles.

I'll have to run a thread on this and explain the Ministry of Public Security in the years 1940-1956. Looks like this a blank for most of you.

Face it guys, the biggest part of the terrorizing after the war did non-jewish Poles, your very own people, I don't know why some of you have such a problem with admitting that.

Face it, you know nothing about who was terrorizing who.

In East-Germany for example the worst bootlickers of the Soviets were ex-Moscow hardcore Stalinists...Germans!

I might be shocking to you, but Poland was not Germany.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

whereas upper Nazis gave the Poles a chance by simply telling them to stay away from the Jews and nothing would happen to them. But I guess you're not smart enough to grasp that concept.

You really do think it is all about the Jews. Since Poles didn't help the Jews enough, as the current mantra goes, how did 3 million Poles get themslves killed?
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

You could go back and forth on this without consent. One could argue the Jews were safely working for Hitler in the ghettoes in 1940 and 1941 while Poles were fighting the enemies. That would also take care of M-G's repeated claims that Jews had no chances of survival. Some did, but how? Oh yeah, the Nazi Schindler.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

So Hollywood has to popularize the mass murder of Poles?

No, but they are popping out Holocaust flicks at at a steady rate. We would be satisfied if they only wouldn't put Polish flags waving in a concentration camp. I think that was is Sophie's Choice.

Agnieszka Holland is making a Holocaust film a the moment; it must be a run for an Oscar.

6 million Jews, of which there were 3 million living in Poland, not being recognized by many Poles as Polish citizens, should not be counted as Poles.

I'm sure you will find people in Holland who consider you a filthy Jew and not a Dutchman. For this reason you should be called Jewish, but not Dutch, following your reasoning.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

The Jewish prosecutors on the Polish side were not interested in Katyń at Nuremberg and raised no substantial objections that the Germans did it.

You got the name, you got his position....it's all there, if you deny it it's your problem, not mine!

That's right, I have his name and now you do too, but you wrote the camp was run by:

The camp was being build under the overseeing of the SS, but ruled and run was it by the Reichs departement for the fight against youth criminality, a special departement of the female criminal police...."

so your source is completely wrong.

Since you're admin, can you bring back my hussar? Give yourself a helmet too.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Yes?
And communist Poland wasn't interested in hunting war criminals?

Postwar Poland's Justice and Security system, at the decission level, was staffed by Jews. At that time, they were more interested in chasing down Polish soldiers from AK and falsely accussing them of being fascists(sic) and often setencing them to long prison terms or even death. Chasing sadists who committed crimes against Polish children was not their priority.

I would say the Chief of the Criminal Police of Lodz...at least that's what the source calls him.

I don't care what you would say. If you have a name, give it.

And no...I'm not interested in your polish text...that is rude!

Oh, I'm sorry, but I do want you to read how Germany treats organizers of concentration camps for children. You become a respected politician.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Or after the war Eugenia Poll who was able to work and live in Lodz until the 70's when she was finally comprehended and sent to jail?

And what does that tell you, I wonder?

Again...your historians must have some sources...they should be in german so no need to translate them for me!

According to you who was the camp commandant?

Poll was in communist Poland. Hans Muthesius did really well in free Germany as a prominent politician. You can look him up on German wiki yourself.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Look at the sources....the documents are all there!

What do your sources say about inmates who reached their eighteenth birthday? Our sources say they were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz.

As to the

The camp was being build under the overseeing of the SS, but ruled and run was it by the Reichs departement for the fight against youth criminality, a special departement of the female criminal police...."

There were also female sadists by was not run by them.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

The camp was being build under the overseeing of the SS, but ruled and run was it by the Reichs departement for the fight against youth criminality, a special departement of the female criminal police...."

That is clearly wrong.

The only thing they got right is that the internees were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz on their 17th birthday.

You mean it is not mentiond on the one German wiki entry which basically downplays it, kind of like The US Holocaust Museum, but not as severely. It is described by a Polish historian in the text I refered to earlier. Pay attention. I also linked on AHF to a German text; I kind of doubt you have read it.

It's official goal was to protect Germans from criminal polish youth.

That's nice to know, but we are not interested in Nazi propaganda at the moment.
1jola   
12 May 2010
History / Poles and (Polish) Jews... Victims of war... and beyond [380]

Even in the exclusively Jewish Lodz Ghetto there were dozens if not hundred's of Christians among the victims (Jewish Maids, spouses of Jews, second/third generation Christians etc).

It was a concentration camp fot Polish children inside the Lódź Ghetto. If interested, I ahve posted about it before.

... and on PF, on this thread, starting with post #309:

The Polen-Jugendverwahrlager der Sicherheitspolizei in Litzmannstadt was built in the fall of 1942 inside the £ódź Ghetto on the order of SS Reichsfuerher Himmler. Complete with 3 meter walls, guard towers, and SS staff, this concentration camps housed Polish children aged 8-16, and in the girl section as young as two. All children worked 10 to 12 hours a day on starvation level "meals," were brutaly beaten, and sometimes murdered. It operated inside the ghetto till the end of war. German and Polish sources list it as a concentration camp, but Holocaust sources seem very reluctant to even mention it so don't expect to find a lot of information on it. I'm not aware of any books in English on it, but there is a German book and one Polish one. The Polish text is:

Józef Witkowski: Hitlerowski Obóz Koncentracyjny dla małoletnich w £odzi, Breslau (Wrocław) 1975

The USHMM (US Holocaust Memorial Museum) lists this book in their bibliography and describe it as such:

Concerns the identities and fates of the children of the 'Polen-Jugendverwahrlager' (='Holding Camp for Polish Youth') in Lodz, Poland, an orphanage created by the Germans for non-Jewish Polish orphans, which was located adjacent to the Lodz ghetto, and whose internees were for the most part later sent to Auschwitz.

First of all, they failed to translate the tittle, which is 'Nazi concentration camp for youth in £ódź." All of the sudden the Nazis are Germans, and the concentration camp is an orphanage(sic) for orphaned Poles. It was not adjecent to the ghetto, but was inside the ghetto walls. The only thing they got right is that the internees were transfered to Ravensbruck or Auschwitz on their 17th birthday.

Had this been a concentration camp for Jewish children, you, dear reader, would have heard about it. As it stands, there isn't even a wiki entry on it.
1jola   
9 May 2010
History / Why Poland is not Russia [223]

Why Poland is not Russia

That is an extremely difficult question for Westerners...ans Southern.

Let's try some easier ones first:
1jola   
8 May 2010
Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

What is strange in his name that it is not written SWAROWSKI or SVAROVSKI. The -ski is clearly a Polish root. Maybe Polonius3 can help on this one.
1jola   
8 May 2010
Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

...as Torq pointed out, it is like winning the lottery of life. I'm not saying that all Austrians are smutne chuje.
1jola   
8 May 2010
Genealogy / IS SWAROVSKI POLISH? [19]

Seeing as his name includes a letter which doesn't exist in Polish, it's unlikely he is Polish.

Is seeing that General August Emil Fieldorf's name doesn't sound Polish, you know very well that he was.

I'm sure Swarovski, like many Austrians, wished he were Polish.
1jola   
7 May 2010
Law / What are the bike laws in Poland? [30]

Are you saying that PIS or their ilk did not concoct this law? It's new, but not that new...Surely Platforma have better things to do with their time than harass people?

Article 178 is from year 2000, but I think it was in effect earlier. PiS was in government for a short period of time starting 2005. So either the communists or SLD brought this law about. What Ziobro(PiS) wanted was stiffer penalties for drunken drivers(it had nothing to do with cyclists) and I think you will agree that was a good thing. Holiday statistics confirm this is a huge problem. I don't drive to my parents graves on All Saints weekend because I don't want to join them yet.

PIS or their ilk

It is for sure the communists or their ilk (their ilk being SLD and their friends now called PO).
1jola   
7 May 2010
Law / What are the bike laws in Poland? [30]

Doug, you broke the brews for the ride back:

youtu.be/TT1ziEV_-Lo

It's a stupid law concocted by PIS

Who told you this?
1jola   
7 May 2010
Law / What are the bike laws in Poland? [30]

Get off your high horse. We don't see such a ridiculous law in other countries.

And you know laws in how many countries?

Me and hundreds of thousands of others believe that there is nothing wrong with cycling on a country road or through the forest or on cycle paths after a couple of summer beers.

Every drunk pulled over has only had a couple beers, and hundreds of thousands believe they are safe on the road while pissed.
1jola   
7 May 2010
Law / What are the bike laws in Poland? [30]

As to "drinking and riding " when the law is ridiculous (PIS again I believe)

You believe wrong. Anyway, do you think drunks belong on public roads?

Edit:

Oh, I'm sorry, you do.

you just have to blatantly ignore it.

1jola   
7 May 2010
Law / What are the bike laws in Poland? [30]

Bike paths are increasing all over the city, but we all use sidewalks as the street traffic can be dangerous in places. It would be very unusual to get a ticket, but legaly possible, and at that point it is best not to argue, because you might just be a victim of patrolman's ticket quota. :)

When I was ticketed for jaywalking, the first thing they told me was the range of fine they are allowed to impose. It was all friendly and routine, and it went something like this: If you argue, it's 150 zł, if you don't, it's 80 zł. The choice was clear.