News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Yeah...well....they come on their own....and most are actually still other EU members....but that source is drying up now slowly...


Or we just shrink to a sustainable level (Berlin is just to full already!)...but to keep our living standard we either need humans or robots!

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

...since demography is pointing downwards in all western countries (also the WWII victors) it points to something socially and/or physiologically and not politically.

More and more women want to have a life now and also the quality and quantity of male spermatozoes are declining (probably because of environmental and food toxins)....

*shrugs*

PS: Since to many people is one of the worst ecological problems a declining population shouldn't be so bad...once we have so much digitalization in place to supplant the lacking work force with computers...or we keep on importing the workers in masses as we do now...

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


So, you are one of the "no-borders" kind?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Maybe....but people sometimes don't work like that...as in rational...pragmatic...chosing what's best....

There was a saying in East-Germany back then:

"Wenn die D-Mark nicht zu uns kommt gehen wir zu ihr!" ("If the D-Mark doesn't come to us we go to her!")

Kohl never really had a chance to do things otherwise...also with hindsight.

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


I see it differently....wandering comes natural to people, especially the young ones. Not wandering means staying with mom and dad forever...no curiousity for the the world and it's possibilities at all. These people exist, but most move at least once!

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Cut from what???


But still Esken blathers again from socialism as goal...*epic eye roll*

*takes helmet and wanders grumbling off*

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Well...Ossis had a good comparison in Hungary, the socialist brother country...every holiday in Budapest was a little bit like in the West TV. And then you had to come back to the dreary, grey, stinking, detoriating East-Berlin with nearly empty shops and only a few kinds of cars on the streets...if that wasn't enforced austerity than what is?

Not at least that for starting reforms you have to admit that things are just not working...but the news paper told every day only about victories on the proletarian front!


He and all his standing ovations clapper in the Zentralkommittee...even today I could vomit hearing that kind of rythmic steady applause...

PS: Of course that austerity was only so bad for these poor chaps without any D-Mark or contacts in the West who could help out with packages...or Party fat cats with connections...

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...well...everybody has his dreams, I guess....

But now back to the real world!

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Yeah..but what? What do you see as necessary services?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


You mean these little hippie villages where they try to live the communist dream with sunflowers in the hair?

Okay...honest question....imagine from tomorrow morning on all taxes are voluntary...what would you give? And for what?

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Yeah....but if that's the rule then you can close down the nation!

If it's everybody for his own then there is no nation anymore....there is only a weak government and the rule of the one who can buy the most with his money.

That is diametral to your wish of a strong independent Poland. There would be a few rich and influential Poles with alot of weak, dependent Poles and no state which could do anything, especially concerning foreign powers.

They would actually do their thing with the powerful Poles...there would be no strong army...no strong security....the infrastructure would be destroyed in time and the country would be wide open for any foreigner.

Did you really did think it through what a weak gov means? And a gov without enough tax money is weak...it is a starving gov.

Maybe you personally would be one of the lucky ones and you could save alot of tax money, and maybe it would even be enough to pay for your own security forces prowling around around your fenced in house and the doctor when you need one, but the land you would be living in would be very instable and violent...and your country would have not much of a voice.

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Shouldn't the german tax payer say that????

Heh:)

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Yeah...and I'm not an expert on THAT! ;)

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Honecker surely was...

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


PS: I'm not sure what you mean by this....after all Germany isn't a socialist country....and just today the very capitalist DAX index thrived to new heights...

finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-dax-hits-record-high-032900637.html

Recently the state reached another income-record....it's so much that there are discussions now about what to do with all the money...so...that doesn't look like an impending collapse of the country because of the welfare costs.


...It is the third time in the last five years that Europe's largest economy closed the year with a budget surplus. The 2019 surplus overtook a 2015 budget surplus of €12.1 billion.....

dw.com/en/germany-posts-record-breaking-budget-surplus/a-51991140

Something doesn't add up here....

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"Freshly off boat" they live in a "Flüchtlingsheim" which is paid for be the state (also by me)....there they are housed and fed as long as the bureaucracy does it's thing and decides about their future status.

A regular EU-citizen does not. He is free to fight with everybody else for an apartement....


What promoting? It isn't exactly a secret...

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Yeah....well....EU membership and the free movement means that any EU citizen...say....a Pole...after working one year in Germany...get's unlimited access to the german Hartz IV, which is the welfare for the unemployed.

And even if you are looking but don't find any work you have access to the basic benefits. Which is in Germany often higher than a regular income in poorer EU countries....

So for the german social system it's not that much difference if it's a muslim refugee or an EU immigrant!

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

That's an interesting website to keep tabs on....the newest developments in green tech at a glance...and there is alot of stuff underway....

popularmechanics.com/science/green-tech/

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Who likes these "neo-marxists" anyhow....

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Not to mention at least half of the Poles would be deeply unhappy and resent the other half...


I doubt that is possible!

After all for that it doesn't need the "nay-sayer"....just the "yeah-sayer" cooperating and doing their thing. Poland can take part innit or not...but not stop it.

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]


Well, "going green" isn't an individual project of choice...

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...still cheering for the Mannschaft, so! :)

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And solar panels are for our geography not the best solution anyhow....but you get my drift.

Shuck out money NOW and live cleaner and cheaper later FOREVER!

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

So....investing lotsa money first into...say....solar panels would come alot cheaper in the long run, don't you think?

What's smarter now...to keep using a dirty but cheap energy source (which is not endless available) or building up a clean energy source which will only run out in a few billion years? (That won't explode and contaminate everything that is)!

News / Coal-Powered Poland Refuses to "Go Green". EU Ain't Happy. [304]

.....yeah...and then that thing explodes and Bratwurst Boy in Berlin get's radioactive contaminated and dies...THANK YOU!

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They probably wouldn't have problems with "donating" tax payers money to the newly installed "crown"...

Anyhow....I'm no longer discussing that puzzle, Maf's explanation makes sense...it's okay for me!

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Well, that's whats happening...

But if Maf is correct with the differences of western Catholicism and eastern Orthodoxia then that explains why german Catholics and even the catholic Pope think so differently about helping than you or this Konfederacia party...


worldvision.org/refugees-news-stories/what-does-bible-say-about-refugees


As I said before....GB didn't let monarchy stop it from becoming one of the oldest democracies...they are good for the yellow pages, not much more. Nobody has something against THAT! They don't disturb the political process!:)

But that's not what you have in mind...

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


And democracy decides which values are healthy and universal...that's the point! Not you or some autocrat!

Opening their arms and purses for poor strangers no matter the religion or color might be seen by others also as healthy and universal..


A democratic decision to end democracy? There is hopefully something written about it in your constitution....

Merkel is still quite popular....imagine she get's voted for "eternal Queen"....with alot more powers than she has now, no longer "hindered" by party politics and coalition partners and laws etc...

I doubt you would be happy about it!

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]

Now that is interesting, I didn't know that....

News / Polexit? Almost half of the Poles believe that Poland would be better off outside of the EU [548]


Imagine she would be a real Queen! :)

But there you have it, democracy is better! Every election is also a kind of hope...eternal monarchy just sucks!

I think that alone will make sure that the Konfederacija will never get anywhere...not even with polish Catholics.