News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Yes, I admit that my unrefined opinions were overshadowed by extremely intelligent and up-to-point remarks of Alligator and Boletus. Their comments here are simply exemplary. :):):)

And me? I am just a little boy from Poland.

And everything what I can say is one thing again: Rymkiewicz is a disgusting opportunistic azhole.

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More great songs

rocking

Don`t be afraid, I am with you all day:



Frankie



Jesus the Lifeguard loves us



and a lovely ballad
You will take me to the other side, I shall follow you to Heaven

News / The spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party [91]

Never mind.

So, let it be that you are a journalist and not a miner. :):):):)

It means I am gradually withdrawing from this thread.

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The guy is so hopeless that I am really amazed we are spending so much time in this thread. :):):)

However, we are probably driven by the need to entertain ourselves with certain suppositions posted here:

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A very important remark. Exactly, the American context of such cases is different than the Polish one. Dess, don`t be so narrow-minded, show more reason.

But you won`t.


Come on.... that is so pathetic that I am gonna cry.


If I had really insulted you, I would have been banned and my post would have landed in the bin. Nothing like that happened.


And if they sued me for calling them maniacs, I would win too, after bringing to court today`s revelations from Brussels.

My God, don`t they realise they are obsessed?


Bol, it is all useless. The addressees of your explanations reject reason and have only one answer:

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First of all, Rymkiewicz is biased himself.

Secondly, his words sound unbiased only to his kin - aggressive patriots who woke up after communism collapsed because earlier they had been busy making careers in the communist state!


You can`t say everything in a public debate. There are still limits. Lying is punishable.

Imagine GW accused Rymkiewicz of szmalcownictwo during WW2 - that he gave away Jews to Nazi Germans and took money for it. If GW editors weren`t able to prove it, they would have to pay a large amount of money in compensation after a lost lawsuit.

Rymkiewicz did sth like that when he accused GW of various dirty things.

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If you mean aggressive loudmouth patriots, then yes.

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Which was considered defamatory by the editors.


That is your private opinion which I dare to disagree with. And the Polish court did, too.:):):):)


Why don`t you quote PiS leaders who abused their opponents? :):):):)


I dare to remain doubtful about this revelation. :):):):)

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hmm, strange, but I dare to disagree. :):):):)


Come on, you can`t really believe it. :):):)


DeSS, don`t be silly. :):):):) There is freedom of speech in Poland.

However, there is also freedom from slanderous accusations.

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Iron, don`t be so fast! :):):):) It isn`t what I finally posted! :):):):)

I do appreciate your concern for Poland. You are a real Polish patriot.

But let me assure you - we are doing fine. :):):):)

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Wrong! Read my post above where I stated that Rymkiewicz isn`t a private person but works for an extreme right wing paper.


Unless they are another paper`s journalists/editors.


I don`t think so.

What about you?

:):):):):):):)

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Nope, it isn`t.
Slanderers are sued in every democratic country, also in US. The fact they are nutters doesn`t exempt them from legal responsibility for what they do or say.

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Stop being impervious to reason, Des.

Alligator, in a very intelligent manner, is trying to explain certain things to you but you won`t listen. Wrong! Do you really need to add fuel to the myth of dumb Polams? Whose interest does it serve? :):):):):)

All states except Arizona, Arkansas, Missouri, and Tennessee recognize that some categories of false statements are so innately harmful that they are considered to be defamatory per se. In the common law tradition, damages for such false statements are presumed and do not have to be proven.

Statements are defamatory per se where they falsely impute to the plaintiff one or more of the following things:[7]
Allegations or imputations "injurious to another in their trade, business, or profession"
Allegations or imputations "of loathsome disease" (historically leprosy and sexually transmitted disease, now also including mental illness)
Allegations or imputations of "unchastity" (usually only in unmarried people and sometimes only in women)
Allegations or imputations of criminal activity (sometimes only crimes of moral turpitude)

ehow.co.uk/how_6131277_sue-small-claims-court-illinois.html


We live in Poland, not US. Why don`t you accept it as an obvious fact?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation#Poland

In Poland, defamation is a crime that consists of accusing someone of a conduct that may degrade him in public opinion or expose him "to the loss of confidence necessary for a given position, occupation or type of activity". Penalties include fine, limitation of liberty and imprisonment for up to a year (Article 212.1 of the Criminal Code). The penalty is more severe when the offense happens through the media (Article 212.2).[63] When the insult is public and aims at offending a group of people or an individual because of his or their nationality, ethnicity, race, religion or lack of religion, the maximum prison term is 3 years.[64]

Rymkiewicz isn`t a private person. He publishes for far right papers where he spreads his slander.
Liberal newspaper wins media libel war
30.11.2011 15:51
An appeal court in Warsaw has ordered the right-wing Gazeta Polska newspaper to print a correction statement after libeling Adam Michnik, editor of leading liberal daily Gazeta Wyborcza.

The case relates to an open letter written by 76-year-old poet Jaroslaw Rymkiewicz which accused Gazeta Wyborcza of being tainted by communist ideology.
"Adam! Once, long ago, we were friends. Now you want to take me to court... because I wrote the truth: that you - you and your people - are the ideological heirs of Rosa Luxemburg," the poet declared, referring to the Polish-Jewish communist revolutionary.

Yesterday's ruling follows on from an earlier hearing this April, in which Gazeta Polska was ordered to publish material submitted by Michnik's lawyers.

However, the editorial office of Gazeta Polska declined to publish the texts, which led to this month's hearing.
Supporters of Rymkiewicz argue that the case represents the stifling of freedom of speech in Poland.

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Utter bulshyt. :):):):)

I am a soloist and that is my biggest problem. :):):):)


Des, I suggest you go for a relaxing walk in the park and come back to the forum when you cool off a little. You are obviously very agitated. :):):):):)

See you tomorrow, hopefully in a better mood. :):):):)


You should see the herd mentality of Rymkiewicz`s supporters who came to court..... :):):):):):)

Watch from 4.15



:):):):):):):)


Nothing. I am turning in. :):):):):):)

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Yes, and they will lose because I can prove I am right. :):):):):):):):)


:):):):):):):):)

Sorry, I can`t stop laughing when talking to you. :):):):):)


Tell me more.... :):):):):):)

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You are wrong, I don`t cherish hatred to anything and anybody. Stop judging me by your measure. :):):):)

Feeling utter disgust at unintelligent maniacs isn`t hatred yet. :):):):):):)


Yes, I am an ardent cheerleader of PO as the only force able to stop PiS from ruling Poland again which I think would be much more disastrous than in 2005-2007. :):):):):):)

PS. Ok, I admit, I hate historic ignorance. :):):):)

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Yes, someoone`s private speech should be free as long as someone else`s private rights of freedom from slander and false accusations aren`t violated.

Simple.


Even cranky old men have to learn that they need to be more careful.

Now, a more interesting matter arises.

Rymkiewicz commented on the court`s ruling with a traditional Polish saying: Musi to na Rusi, a u nas jak kto chce. Must is in Russia, in Poland as you wish., suggesting he won`t obey.

If he doesn`t apologise, should he land in the slammer? What do you think?

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OMG. :(:(:(:(:

Iron, stop defending Rymkiewicz. He isn`t worth your time and energy, really. The guy seems obsessed with his cheap envy of people who fought openly against communism and rotted in prisons, while he was making a career at a communist university.

Alligator, I agree with this:

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Nope, the ruling was all right as Rymkiewicz wasn`t able to prove that the paper`s editors hate Polish and Christianity as "the spiritual heirs of the Polish Communist Party."

The editors took an offence, sued him and won. It is normal in a democratic country.

A remark:

Where was Rymkiewicz in 1968 when Michnik went to prison for the first time?

Where was Rymkiewicz during Solidarity times of 1980s when Michnik spent 4.5 years in prison?

The answer is: nowhere near those important events. He was a poet and literature interpreter, making career at the communist university.

Today he spits venom on people who weren`t afraid to oppose communism openly.

Isn`t it pathetic?


Sorry but this is too ridiculous to discuss. (:(:(:(:(

Po polsku / Cinkciarz - nastolatek nie znal tego slowa [14]


Tak. Oglądnij Sztos: świetny

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:):):):):)

I did a little more research on Rymkiewicz. I already wrote he sounds like another PiS activist.

But his Ode to Jarosław Kaczyński is really beyond any limits:
wierszeosmolensku.blogspot.com/2010/11/ur.html

That is nuts!

Po polsku / Cinkciarz - nastolatek nie znal tego slowa [14]

Wypadło i nie zna.
Wielu słów nie zna bo PRL skończył się 23 lata temu. To szmat czasu.

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Nope. Such heroes were Walęsa and the Pope. :):):):) plus Gorbachov doing the inside job. :):):):):)


Yes, I am sorry, but it was Varsovian who started writing bullshyt. I had to react..... :):):):):)

Excuse me, please.


My attitude is superior because it is based on my personal experience, historical knowledge and emotional intelligence. :):):):)

A forgotten note to Varsovian:

Man, start reading books on the modern history of Poland. Then you will learn some facts and such ignorant entries of yours won`t take place:


They were allowed by communists to function as normal people in 1970s in order to receive Westers credits. Gierek`s regime tried to look civilised and pretended to follow the democratic standards and abide by human rights. In 1980s the " idyllic cohabitation" of Michnik and Jaruzelski`s regime ended because communist Poland was bankrupt and Western loans were halted anyway, that is why Michnik was imprisoned for 4.5 years without a sentence.

PS. Actually, a lot of normal Poles were allowed to go travel abroad in 1970s.

Come on. Have you ever read at least one historic book in your life?

I hate such ignorance.

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Yes, more meat!


What? You don`t like sticks?

Here you are: Meat without a stick:

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Don`t be silly. Michnik was detained a few hundred times by communist secret police and spent about 6 years in prison altogether.


Oh, I see. It seems like a personal issue between you and Michnik based on primitive envy. When Michnik was in the slammer throughout 1980s, you enjoyed life in communist Poland. :):):):):):) How many times did you perform in school celebrations of 1 May ? :):):):)

When martial law was declared, in December 1981, he was at first an internee, but when he refused to sign, a "loyalty oath" and assent to voluntarily leave the country, he was jailed and accused of an "attempt to overthrow socialism". He was in jail without a verdict until 1984, because the prosecutor's office prolonged the trial on purpose.

Adam Michnik demanded to end proceedings against himself or have his case dismissed. Meanwhile, he wanted to be granted the status of a political prisoner, and went on a hunger strike in jail. In 1984 he was released from jail, under an amnesty.

He took part in an attempt to organize a strike in the Gdańsk shipyard. As a consequence, he was rearrested in 1985 and this time sentenced to three years imprisonment. He was released in the following year again under another amnesty.

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Hey, what about PiS supporters? :):):)

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Probably he wasn`t. I read a few of his articles and he sounded like just another PiS-oriented activist who calls a traitor everybody who disagrees with Jarosław Kaczyński and other similar maniacs.


Slander/libel are crimes in democratic countries.

News / Polish Lithuanian Diplomatic War? At last. [534]

No, just Lithuanian complex of inferiority. :):):)

Russians started questioning the territorial integrity of Lithuania.

Signum temporis?

In short: Russian paper suggests that contemporary Lithuania is 1/3 larger than before the war. It was granted lands from the Soviet Union and has kept them till today. It is unfair. Besides, Lithuania is described as the third partitioner of Poland 1939.

Question to Lithuanians: where are you going to establish your government in exile? Warsaw? Krakow? Or Wrocław?

Again, road signs with double names of settlements, Polish and Lithuanian, have been painted over in the area inhabitted by Lithuanian majority in northern Poland.

It is a pity that Polish Lithuanians are paying for the stupid policy of the Lithuanian government which forbids Polish names on street and road signs, against European law.

Lithuanians in Lithuania proper, remember, when Russians invade you , I won `t move a fekking finger in your defence, like my ancestors did so many times in the past. :):):):)

]Punsk, Poland[

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Dialogue of the deaf between Vilnius and Warsaw

OUTSIDERS find the Polish-Lithuanian spat the most incomprehensible in Europe. How come two countries with so much common history and so many common interests get on so badly? Is it just the appalling personal chemistry between some senior officials? Or is it, absurdly, about spelling? Poles in Lithuania want to spell their names using letters like ł and ę in official documents. (We can't use them, or most other diacritics, in the print edition of the Economist because our typeface doesn't have those characters).

I have not met any Lithuanian, even on the nationalist fringe, who believes that the authorities in Vilnius have handled this issue absolutely perfectly from the very beginning. Lithuanian politicians have habitually promised more than their parliamentarians are willing to vote for, or their officials are able to implement. It is easy to see why Poles feel cross about that.

More: economist/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/02/poland-and-lithuania

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Members of ethnic minorities in Lithuania, including Poles, descended on the capital, Vilnius, Saturday, to rally against plans to cut back on schooling for minorities.

"The mother tongue is a guarantor of decent knowledge," the protestors argued as they marched from the Lithuanian parliamentary buildings to demonstrate outside government headquarters.

Children and teachers from ethnic minorities in Lithuania went on the march, and were joined by trade unionists from the Lithuanian education sector.
The protest comes one year after Vilnius passed a bill on education for ethnic minorities in Lithuania, which has been criticised by Poles living there, with other sizable ethnic minorities from Belarus and Russia facing the same problems.

Meanwhile, Lithuanian authorities are condemning the protest. Education minister Gintaras Steponavicius told the BNS agency that politicians are "amassing political gain at the cost of teachers and children."[/i]

narodowcy.net/tysiace-polakow-na-ulicach-wilna/2012/03/17/

Poland Lithuania

In 1940/50s, when Eastern Soviet Republics were created on the former Polish lands, Lithuanian authorities blocked the transfer of Polish inhabitants to Poland proper. Most of them were forced to stay against their will.

It seems Lithuanians today don`t want to pay for their past mistakes.

The mistreatment of Polish minority and violation of their rights by Lithuanians continues.