Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


you are just simply oversensitive - murzyn in a figurative meaning is not derogatory either, the point of the criticism in the word is towards those who use those murzyni

(like in a saying - Im się chyba wydaje że sobie murzyna znaleźli. They probably think they have found some slave for the job.)

Language / IS "MURZYN" word RACIST? [686]


the thing is it is a regular word for a black person of African origin (other black people like Australian aborigenes or Melanesians or even very dark south Indians have their own specific names and are not typically called 'Murzyni' though it was a bit different historically)

if someone wants to call a black person offensively in Polish they use words like 'czarnuch' (extremely offensive - surprisingly enough 'czernoch' is a regular word for black person in Czech language), 'bambus' (literally 'bamboo' but it originates from 'Murzynek Bambo' by Julian Tuwim) or 'asfalt' (literally tarmac)

other neutral words for black people have typically different meaning to murzyn: czarnoskóry means literally black-skinned (but remember that Murzyn has a meaning of African black) - so Australian aborigene is equally czarnoskóry, czarny - is a touch too close to czarnuch to be an innocent word; Afrykanin doesn't equal to murzyn as there are Arabic, Berberic, and Chamitic Africans who are not Murzyni (and there are also white Africans after all - biali Afrykanie)


murzyn doesn't carry offensive load because it is a regular word for a black African person - it's like stating that Englishman or Pole is derogatory - if Polish person wants to be derogatory towards the English they say 'Angole' not 'Anglicy', likewise if English people want to use derogatory, dismissive term for Polish people they say 'Pollacks' instead of 'Poles'

Genealogy / SKI...SKY...ZKI...Polish surname endings [38]

it's an adjectival suffix that mostly denotes area or place of origin of something (or showing some other connection with the place area) - it can be translated as 'of a place'

Kraków - krakowski = (of Kraków)
Kowalewo - kowalewski - (of Kowalewo)
Kowale - Kowalski - (of Kowale)
Warszawa - warszawski - (of Warszawa)

however -ski (-ska, -skie) adjectives can be created not only of place names - with a meaning of '-like' it is added to various nouns and you've got - przyjacielski (friendly), męski (manly or gents'), żeński (feminine), ludzki (human or humane)

in even broader class of man related names (like names of professions) -ski means belonging to the profession/art - młot kowalski - blacksmith's hammer, zestaw malarski - painting (painter's) set, kadź barwierska - dyer's vat, pieśń żołnierska - soldierly (soldiers') song,

the suffix has a quite defined history in Slavic languages (all Slavic languages share it) - and it is cognate (the developement of the same origin) to English -ish, -sh suffix (as in Polish, English, Welsh) - in English it developed from -isk, -sk suffix which is still present in Scandinavian languages (in Danish you;ve got Dansk=Danish, Engelsk=English, Norsk=Norwegian, Swensk=Swedish, Polsk=Polish, Tysk=German (Deutsch), Jysk= Jutlandish (of Jutland), Rysk = Russian

the most probable occurence is that -sk suffix originated in Germanic languages suffix originally used for nations and lands and was borrowed from Germanic Gothic language into Slavic when the two languages were in contact in late antiquity to very early middle ages (sharing the fate of many other borrowings from Gothic to Slavic which are still present in most Slavic languages)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


google translate makes this quote of your pointless


had anybody outside of the family found out about this grandma concealing Jews? if so then you have your answer - not all Poles were hostile to Jews or greedy enough to mug them - the thing is even if those hostile to Jews or greedy enough to harrass those Jews in hiding were a significant minority they still were to be feared by those who helped Jews - pretty obvious, no?? - so what grand conclusions do you want to draw out of this simple statement about that grandma

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

sure there are two sides of the story - haven't you heard of 'Polish death camps'???

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Jedwabne było w każdej wsi - said a woman whose father was a witness to detention, rape and other violence against Jews in hiding in a village somewhere in Podkarpacie by their Polish neighbours (£ańcut area) - the Jews were then denounced to German authorities who killed them on spot

the thing is 'Jedwabne było w każdej wsi' is her own stipulation for the most part

I know you read Polish aphro - so have a read about Jews and farming in Poland


sztetl.org.pl/pl/term/114,rolnictwo

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

btw I haven't watched the video and now it looks like it's gone - the title was pretty controversial and that's why it's gone most probably - by the way aphro do you positively ;) believe Jedwabne happened in every Polish village (btw Jedwabne was not a village but a small town - Jews didn't typically live in farming villages as they mostly never farmed in Poland (why farm when you can earn more by trading))

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


there is a phrasal verb in Polish - patrzeć komuś na ręce - it means to watch closely what one is doing - if you suggest that we should closely watch what Jews are doing you will soon get a label of an anti-semite if not a fascist

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

don't worry she's POSITIVELY prejudiced :) in a POSITIVE way ;)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


no you stated that you thought Polish anti-semitism through - did you find any substance in accusations against Jews? honestly? were Jews wrongdoing gentiles or not? am I wrong if I state that you believe Jews are and always were innocent sheep? and hell they have no tribal consciousness to themselves (I don't say all have and I don't even say the majority of all now living Jews have a tribal consciousness - actually present day Jews may be even the most devoid of tribal consciousness from all nations appart from those living in Israel - and i mean statistically)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


and I think Jews suffered because of the sins of their own leaders and elites - those who were after money and thought Jews can control the world from behind the scenes (after all they are the chosen people, no?)

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


yes - you thought Polish anti-semitism through - though you fail to believe Jews were wrongdoing Poles (they couldn't possibly - they are such a nice bunch) - and well if someone's rich they must be good

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/adl-jews-should-not-spit-at-christians/

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

to forgive and to point someone's wrongdoing are two different things - forgiveness should not stop you for calling things their right name

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


sure - it's very similar to what some Jews thought of Germans - they couldn't think such a civilized cultural nation can seriously consider wiping them out

and I never said Poles were angels

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


and I think you are sort of positively prejudiced

I don't know if you hear of this old townish Jewish custom of spitting on the first gentile they met in the morning (the spitting was allegedely typically from windows or doorways) - that was supposed to bring a Jew good luck for a whole day (I know this from my grandpa) - I don't say all Jews were doing this - it is enough when a significant group does (like 'Poles are thieves' stereotype in Germany) to give the whole group a bad rep

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


and you are the most suited person to state what were the realities in pre-war Poland - heh

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


then you just contradict the perceptions of pre-war Poles for the most part

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


Jews were not hunted like dogs in Poland - they were disliked by many, sure - I read that if you read through criminalistic data from the interbellum period the offences against Jews were no higher than any other offences - and I think Jews did act out their main religious belief that they were the chosen nation


yeah, sure - give me the examples of Polish cliques that run things in America on whatever level

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


heh - like a human being cannot be prejudiced to people s/he is only able to read - yes, I am well prejudiced against you - you don't make a good partner for a debate because you are not open to accept some possibilities - this is my prejudice against you


yes - this is exactly what you are: lost - you cannot understand a simple debate and argument even if it's presented right before your face


someone states something like this (if you don't know they are reffering to the past then I inform you they did) - and I say it wasn't just plain simple jealousy of better-off people - Jews in pre-war Poland cooperated among themselves to oust non-Jewish competition - Poles were aware that the competition was not fair - this is my statement - I don't write of any further implications of these two things

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


no it's your own prejudice against me that blinds you - my comment about unfair competition on the part of Jews against Poles in the pre-war Poland was only addressed to the claim Poles just simply envied Jews their wealth (aka jealousy) - my comment has nothing to do with what happened during or after the war - so stick to the debate or you just don't make sense

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]


please provide a source contradicting my claim :) (I have reasons enough to believe what I have written - it doesn't bother me if you don't believe it)


well I am a known Nazi scum here, haven't you noticed - before you comment on anything read what you want to comment on through and really try to make sure what the author wanted to say or even what s/he actually said (ignore what I just said if you're on a mission to prove some people are inherently wrong)


what am I supposed to write - has Poland seen plenty of charity from Jews? don't think so - should I be writing about ingenuity of Jewish people when this ingenuity often cost Poland and not given her any benefits

History / Terrible past for the Jews in Poland? [930]

Jews in many instances cooperated among themselves to get rid or any existing or emerging gentile competition in many many fields of business and including the largest businesses - this has been seen by Poles as unfair competition simple as that - and you go on to dismiss it by saying jealousy (ever heard of a balanced perspective?)

btw I can tell you one thing - if you don't like it here just buzz off to where it's better - why endure such a heavy burden?

there have been billions of dollars extracted from this country after 1989 and some Jewish circles have been heavily involved (if you treat people like cattle don't be surprised that they don't like you)

Life / a funny poem in Polish (not mine) [11]

refreshing the topic so that more people can ponder the beauties of Polish language :)

a continued Mietek and Jadźka woods binge when Mietek discovers that somethings wrong with his bottom

poeto.pl/wiersz/30172

wait for the translation

the time of wake-up came quick
Mietek hit himself in the face while standing up
He felt some change in his ass
How the fc uk am I going to even get on my feet?
He raised his head, he can barely see
His ass is in despair
Mietek's forehead is swollen
Someone hit him on his heel
He got up with a force
He sees Jadźka standing with an oak branch in her hand
'F***, have you gone crazy'?
He smacked Jadźka with open hand
She fell in the ferns
Covering herself with her legs
She got up a little moment later
Mietek was already standing above her with a hammer in his hand
'What did you do to my ass?
And why did you beat me on the face?'
Poor Jadźka, hardly conscious,
well imbibed with wine
doesn't know herself what happened -
- the cheap wine (burak is beetroot literally) took her brains.
In order to refresh Jadźka a bit
Mietek chucked the hammer into her
This is the short part number six
Now's the time for cup of tea :)

more to follow hehe

Language / The shame! I can't pronounce my Polish wife's name (Ola) [69]


Jason - you would pronounce Olla diffrently to Ola wouldn't you - just forget your wife is Ola, and try to imagine she is a Finnish blonde called Olla :) - it will sure help ;) (but don't get on me if you eventually divorce because you start to fancy Finnish blondes ;)

Life / a funny poem in Polish (not mine) [11]

somewhere in Poland, in a small place(town)
Mietek was sittting with his bottom in pastry
He wanted to bake a cake for Jadźka,
Such a wise fool is he

He had a recipe from a neighbour,
Whose buttocks he often would bite
She gave him the recipee
Before she took him upstairs

The recipe's simple:eggs, flour
Mietek wanders around kitchen already
Somewhat milk, a glass of sugar
The cake is gonna be full of glazing

At the bottom of the page
From the neighbour who always wears sexy pants
It is written down in thick smears
'Add spirit and cream'

Mietek had cream galore
A jarfull from hundred cow's
But he doesn't have any spirit
Needs to go to other neighbour

The guy (jeleń is for someone who pays the drinks) gives him three shots (like half a pint and some more)
The rest he hid in a chest
Mietek took the spirit swiftly
He took a sip on the threshold before he left

He returned to his home's humble thresholds
In a pleasant corporal state ;)
Now it should all be clear
Why Mietek's bottom is in the pastry near ;)

the first poem translates more or less like this

the fifth part of this tale (about Mietek)
you will never believe (will not fit in your heads literally it's a Polish colloquialism don't know the English equivalent)
Well, Jadźka in the dark grove
Being already long 'dizzy' (ha don't know any better English term)
Took to dead drunk Mietek
In spite of the previous fight no foe
After an hour she figured
To have fun with Mietek.
Mietek lying wasted on the ground
Wandered in booze heaven
So Jadźka, whose teeth were gone
Broke a branch of a nearby oak
She took a long swing
And hit Mietek on the face
Uncounscious fellow barely noticed
Blood was running from around his eyes
Unmoved, but wounded
Still in deep sleep immersed
This game is to Jadźka's a tease
She smacks Mietek again and again
'Let the old bloke wake up beaten -
I will not give myself to him in the morning
And he won't be very merry
When he sees his forehead
Which took violet shades
He will scream - what the hell happened
Jadźka will tell Mietek boy
that he messed with a bear
The bear was big and strong
And wanted to sign marriage with him
But he took to wedding night early
And made some space in Mietek's ass
He shook Mietek big time
(don't know how to translate this verse)
The wake-up is gonna be sorry
Mietek thighs are gonna hurt him
There are such cases in the woods
That your buttocks will hurt too.

;)

Language / Nice Polish phrases to say to men [76]


you are cute' would be Jesteś śliczny (more or less - but it can be also Jesteś fajny just as cute can mean a broad spectrum of things) - but you don't say such things to Polish men - it's girls and kids that are cute and not men

History / Anyone know the name, if true... .... Polish Royal heir [40]

and I am actually so happy we don't have any royalty and not much of aristocracy either - it really makes a diffference I think

Life / Doughnut [Pączki] Day... in Poland [70]


that's what I meant - you need to give your woman a sense that she's being pampered - yearly husband-made pączkis pefrectly fit the bill :)